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Originally posted by HayesGreener:
Do I need to clean my rifle again?

Maybe not.

This kind of thing is silly. Do you think Obama, Comey, Brennen, Yates, Clapper, and their ilk are confused about bathrooms? People that think the leftists are confined to Starbucks and anti-Ice tent cities are only fooling themselves.

The human "landscape" really has changed. Physical borders no longer effectively separate "cultures". The fact that we metaphorically use the word "landscape" to define "conditions" shows how powerful physical separation on the surface of the Earth used to be....but is no more. The modern separation is into landscapes of ideas and moral values. Trolls from Russia, Afghanistan, China, or North Korea can just about as easily "talk to you" as your physical next-door neighbor.

There has always been propaganda, mere opinion, and "influence", but the internet has taken it all to a different quantum level. There really are people, even within our own physical nation, that really do hate everything "America" does and stands for. There really are worldwide organizations dedicated to destroying us. They really do have "local" allies.

I don't know the answers, and I don't want to be a doomsayer or conspiracy theorist. Under my most optimistic-case analysis, when the world is given the opportunity to hear freely and choose freely, they gradually become more like "conservative American citizens". There are certainly forces trying to turn us into "Nanny-State Socialist European subjects". Just be aware.

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The modern separation is into landscapes of ideas and moral values.

The next civil war starts about a minute after the EBT cards are turned off.

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They really do have "local" allies.

This is the part that really chaps my hide. How many freaking Putin apologists are there out there on the internutz anyway? No matter the reality, no matter right and wrong, no matter what America's interests may be, they'll burn bandwidth trying to screetch at the top of their lungs that America just needs to shut up and do what El Puto says.

You know the world is changing and the trolls are trolling when moral relativism ceases to be the exclusive preserve of liberals and becomes the favorite concept of those pretending to be conservatives and American patriots in order to further our enemies' interests. One would've thought that we'd have learned our lesson from the American Bund and their attempts to hail George Washington as "the first fascist", but I guess some lessons have to be relearned from time to time.

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My prediction is that the militant left will finally resort to force to push their agenda and conservatives will meet that force. The next civil war will be left vs. right as opposed to North vs. South.

^^^This. And when it does happen, I think it will be very geographically centralized in primarily liberal/leftist areas of the country. I also think, once both sides are fully engaged, it will be a very, very, short skirmish.

Really?
When Ferguson burned, I stayed home and watched it on TV. I'm not going into the City to engage in battle... but if it comes to my part of the County I will defend my family.

I'd just as soon wall off the City of St. Louis, Baltimore, Chicago, etc. and burn them down. I'm not going in to fight. There's nothing in these inner city areas worth fighting for.

Although I worded my response very poorly, I was more referencing states rather than counties or cities. For example, I'd expect to see conflicts like this in Missouri, Illinois, Pennsylvania, and California, etc. I wouldn't necessarily expect to see it occur very often (if at all) in Alabama.

I doubt there will be another Civil War. If there is don't venture into my neighborhood.

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I doubt there will be another Civil War. If there is don't venture into my neighborhood.

And that's the thing... it probably will.
Eventually the socialism/welfare system is going to collapse. When it does, the EBT cards will be turned off. That's when the looters will pour out of the inner cities and into the suburbs.

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The modern separation is into landscapes of ideas and moral values.

The next civil war starts about a minute after the EBT cards are turned off.

Yep that demographic is already lit with poisoned minds and the rage of victimhood. I think the ignition source is varied. There are those looking for a race war, those who want political war, a cultural war, aclass war etc. Where it touches off is anyone's guess, but once it starts, all the other incendiary devices will likely capitalize on the opportunity. I doubt a civil war would look like anything we've seen before so how can anyone fully prepare? It's a thing to be avoided.

Any talk of a second Civil War, needs to take hard look at the Spanish Civil War. While the media and literally romantics like to wax about how it was the fascists vs the liberals, the war was actually much more complex and there's no simplifying it's divisions. It was a truly ugly and horrific affair that Spain is still dealing with and there's some who are hellbent on driving the US down that road.

The French Revolution ended producing Napoleon, the Russian Revolution produced Lenin, then Stalin and the Spanish Civil War ended up producing Franco. History is a pretty good barometer.

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History is a pretty good barometer.

It is. And it has shown us that the only way tyrannical leftists stop is when blood is spilled stopping them. They don't give up until they are elimated.

This is what I have come to realize: this "civil war" is being played out on entertainment media: televisions, iPads, cell phones, laptops, via Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, and a bunch of news shows on MSNBC, FOX, CNN, NBC. The nature of entertainment is that the bar needs to be raised constantly in order to maintain interest. Nobody would pay attention today to a would-be sex star who stood on a grate and exposed her thighs.

So the language in these entertainment outlets gets ratcheted up and up. Last month Trump was a Nazi. Now he is committing treason!

The actual violence in this "civil war" is perpetrated by a tiny handful of the American population. Antifa and The Proud Boys are a minuscule sliver. Add BLM and all the other extreme groups, and it's still miniscule. It's like having 22 guys on the field and 100,000 screaming and whooping in the stadium.

We do not have, as we did in 1860, millions of Americans ready and willing to go out and kill one another. "Worse than our last" is great click bait, but 750,000 men died in the last one. Many millions would need to die to equal that as a percentage of the population.

What we have is hyperbole born of entertainment media.

It generates great hatred and contempt. There might be serious violence. But it's not civil war. Not even close. It is an ugly spectacle driven by desperate leftists.

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There's not going to be another civil war, at least in terms similar to the first one. We only have one military, and it will in all likelihood stay loyal to the existing federal government. Any breakaway faction of states would have no real usable military, and will easily be crushed. As time goes on, and the military gets more automated, this will only make that outcome more likely.

I think Texas already has its “own” sizable military if we broke away. Don’t underestimate the possibility if things get bad enough (and they will).

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These articles are nothing more than stirring the pot. There will not ever be another civil war, and no, we are currently not in a civil war.

Temper tantrums and local protests do not make a civil war.

And we didn't buy into leftism, again my proof is Trump won.

Ever is a very longtime. The left will keep pushing their agenda until it crosses the Rubicon.

If we get to another Civil War (and I pray it doesn't happen in my or my son's lifetimes), it will be Liberal vs. Conservative, Urban centers against everyone else. It doesn't take much to cause a modern city to catastrophically fail. Just turn off the electricity, which thanks to the NIMBY (Not In My Back Yard) crowd, is generated far away and transmitted over vulnerable transmission systems. Close down the highways going in and out with a couple of semi trucks across them. Shut down the water supplies upstream of the treatment plants. All of these things can be done without firing a shot, if you know what you are doing.

I think we are headed for something very unpleasant. But in what form, I don't know. Civil War seems unlikely. But widespread civil disorder seems possible. Remember Katrina? The veneer of civilization is very thin. And Nuclear has a good point. Cut off electricity for a lengthy period of time and we would be in a very serious situation.

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While those memes might seem clever, don't underestimate the potential of "the other side" to fuck up your day and your life. No, not squared off against a bunch of us with our clean rifles, but planting a damn bomb at the convenience store where you happen to buy gas, or your wife's workplace, or parking a bunch of cars on the road you need to drive on, etc.

Remember, two can play that "bomb at the convenience store" game, I think the biggest problem right now is that the left has decided to go towards violence (think; Antifa), while we on the right are still busy turning the other cheek. Once we're tired of that, things will pick up significantly.

Blowing up the convenience store will affect the moderate Democrat voters, and they won't appreciate the inconvenience. (Pardon the pun.) I always find it astounding how quickly liberals will abandon what they claim to believe in when it involves some kind of sacrifice or inconvenience on their part.

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I think the biggest problem right now is that the left has decided to go towards violence (think; Antifa), while we on the right are still busy turning the other cheek.

That's because we believe in the rule of law. We believe in individual rights and property rights. We believe in protecting freedom and opportunity. Equality means equality of freedom and opportunity NOT equality of outcome.

The other side believes in collectivism.

The politically motivated violence on the left is small scale. It's the free-shit army that has the potential to make it big. When they don't get their free shit they won't suddenly start taking care of themselves. They will loot and pillage. Violence is all they know. The left will attempt to use them to spark the 'counter-revolution' to bring on full scale socialism/communism.

DSA/ Democratic Socialist of America. Scary ideology.
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Unless we experience a Black Swan event there will be no "civil war" in the classic sense, only localized violence. Examples are Ferguson, S Chicago....

If we do see a Black Swan event that effects the handouts for longer than 30 days we may see the zombies start spreading violence to otherwise safe areas.

I say 30 days because they will burn their neighborhoods first and be on foot by the end of the 2nd week.

My neighborhood has one access street but on foot it would be very hard to defend, although the fairway in back gives me a good 100m kill zone