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| bigger government = smaller citizen  |
This kind of thing is silly. Do you think Obama, Comey, Brennen, Yates, Clapper, and their ilk are confused about bathrooms? People that think the leftists are confined to Starbucks and anti-Ice tent cities are only fooling themselves. “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it.”—H.L. Mencken | |||
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The human "landscape" really has changed. Physical borders no longer effectively separate "cultures". The fact that we metaphorically use the word "landscape" to define "conditions" shows how powerful physical separation on the surface of the Earth used to be....but is no more. The modern separation is into landscapes of ideas and moral values. Trolls from Russia, Afghanistan, China, or North Korea can just about as easily "talk to you" as your physical next-door neighbor. There has always been propaganda, mere opinion, and "influence", but the internet has taken it all to a different quantum level. There really are people, even within our own physical nation, that really do hate everything "America" does and stands for. There really are worldwide organizations dedicated to destroying us. They really do have "local" allies. I don't know the answers, and I don't want to be a doomsayer or conspiracy theorist. Under my most optimistic-case analysis, when the world is given the opportunity to hear freely and choose freely, they gradually become more like "conservative American citizens". There are certainly forces trying to turn us into "Nanny-State Socialist European subjects". Just be aware. "Crom is strong! If I die, I have to go before him, and he will ask me, 'What is the riddle of steel?' If I don't know it, he will cast me out of Valhalla and laugh at me." | |||
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| Lawyers, Guns and Money  |
The next civil war starts about a minute after the EBT cards are turned off. "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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| Gracie Allen is my personal savior! |
This is the part that really chaps my hide. How many freaking Putin apologists are there out there on the internutz anyway? No matter the reality, no matter right and wrong, no matter what America's interests may be, they'll burn bandwidth trying to screetch at the top of their lungs that America just needs to shut up and do what El Puto says. You know the world is changing and the trolls are trolling when moral relativism ceases to be the exclusive preserve of liberals and becomes the favorite concept of those pretending to be conservatives and American patriots in order to further our enemies' interests. One would've thought that we'd have learned our lesson from the American Bund and their attempts to hail George Washington as "the first fascist", but I guess some lessons have to be relearned from time to time. http://timeline.com/nazis-amer...rallies-4fc6dfe5e3b3 | |||
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Although I worded my response very poorly, I was more referencing states rather than counties or cities. For example, I'd expect to see conflicts like this in Missouri, Illinois, Pennsylvania, and California, etc. I wouldn't necessarily expect to see it occur very often (if at all) in Alabama. ----------------------------- Guns are awesome because they shoot solid lead freedom. Every man should have several guns. And several dogs, because a man with a cat is a woman. Kurt Schlichter | |||
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| Loved those Texas one room schools |
I doubt there will be another Civil War. If there is don't venture into my neighborhood. _________________________ "Louis was furious with the sharks. He thought they had an understanding: The men would stay out of the sharks' turf - the water - and the sharks would stay off theirs - the raft...If the sharks were going to try to eat him, he was going to try to eat them." From Unbroken by Laura Hillenbrand | |||
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| Lawyers, Guns and Money |
And that's the thing... it probably will. Eventually the socialism/welfare system is going to collapse. When it does, the EBT cards will be turned off. That's when the looters will pour out of the inner cities and into the suburbs. "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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delicately calloused |
Yep that demographic is already lit with poisoned minds and the rage of victimhood. I think the ignition source is varied. There are those looking for a race war, those who want political war, a cultural war, aclass war etc. Where it touches off is anyone's guess, but once it starts, all the other incendiary devices will likely capitalize on the opportunity. I doubt a civil war would look like anything we've seen before so how can anyone fully prepare? It's a thing to be avoided. You’re a lying dog-faced pony soldier | |||
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Any talk of a second Civil War, needs to take hard look at the Spanish Civil War. While the media and literally romantics like to wax about how it was the fascists vs the liberals, the war was actually much more complex and there's no simplifying it's divisions. It was a truly ugly and horrific affair that Spain is still dealing with and there's some who are hellbent on driving the US down that road. The French Revolution ended producing Napoleon, the Russian Revolution produced Lenin, then Stalin and the Spanish Civil War ended up producing Franco. History is a pretty good barometer. | |||
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Glorious SPAM! |
It is. And it has shown us that the only way tyrannical leftists stop is when blood is spilled stopping them. They don't give up until they are elimated. | |||
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Bad dog! |
This is what I have come to realize: this "civil war" is being played out on entertainment media: televisions, iPads, cell phones, laptops, via Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, and a bunch of news shows on MSNBC, FOX, CNN, NBC. The nature of entertainment is that the bar needs to be raised constantly in order to maintain interest. Nobody would pay attention today to a would-be sex star who stood on a grate and exposed her thighs. So the language in these entertainment outlets gets ratcheted up and up. Last month Trump was a Nazi. Now he is committing treason! The actual violence in this "civil war" is perpetrated by a tiny handful of the American population. Antifa and The Proud Boys are a minuscule sliver. Add BLM and all the other extreme groups, and it's still miniscule. It's like having 22 guys on the field and 100,000 screaming and whooping in the stadium. We do not have, as we did in 1860, millions of Americans ready and willing to go out and kill one another. "Worse than our last" is great click bait, but 750,000 men died in the last one. Many millions would need to die to equal that as a percentage of the population. What we have is hyperbole born of entertainment media. It generates great hatred and contempt. There might be serious violence. But it's not civil war. Not even close. It is an ugly spectacle driven by desperate leftists. ______________________________________________________ "You get much farther with a kind word and a gun than with a kind word alone." | |||
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| If you see me running try to keep up  |
I think Texas already has its “own” sizable military if we broke away. Don’t underestimate the possibility if things get bad enough (and they will). | |||
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Ever is a very longtime. The left will keep pushing their agenda until it crosses the Rubicon. | |||
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| It's pronounced just the way it's spelled |
If we get to another Civil War (and I pray it doesn't happen in my or my son's lifetimes), it will be Liberal vs. Conservative, Urban centers against everyone else. It doesn't take much to cause a modern city to catastrophically fail. Just turn off the electricity, which thanks to the NIMBY (Not In My Back Yard) crowd, is generated far away and transmitted over vulnerable transmission systems. Close down the highways going in and out with a couple of semi trucks across them. Shut down the water supplies upstream of the treatment plants. All of these things can be done without firing a shot, if you know what you are doing. | |||
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I think we are headed for something very unpleasant. But in what form, I don't know. Civil War seems unlikely. But widespread civil disorder seems possible. Remember Katrina? The veneer of civilization is very thin. And Nuclear has a good point. Cut off electricity for a lengthy period of time and we would be in a very serious situation. End of Earth: 2 Miles Upper Peninsula: 4 Miles | |||
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| Conservative Behind Enemy Lines  |
Blowing up the convenience store will affect the moderate Democrat voters, and they won't appreciate the inconvenience. (Pardon the pun.) I always find it astounding how quickly liberals will abandon what they claim to believe in when it involves some kind of sacrifice or inconvenience on their part. Of all the enemies that the American citizen faces, the Democrat Party is the very worst. | |||
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| Lawyers, Guns and Money |
That's because we believe in the rule of law. We believe in individual rights and property rights. We believe in protecting freedom and opportunity. Equality means equality of freedom and opportunity NOT equality of outcome. The other side believes in collectivism. The politically motivated violence on the left is small scale. It's the free-shit army that has the potential to make it big. When they don't get their free shit they won't suddenly start taking care of themselves. They will loot and pillage. Violence is all they know. The left will attempt to use them to spark the 'counter-revolution' to bring on full scale socialism/communism. DSA/ Democratic Socialist of America. Scary ideology. https://sigforum.com/eve/forums...0601935/m/4900029444 "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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Telecom Ronin |
Unless we experience a Black Swan event there will be no "civil war" in the classic sense, only localized violence. Examples are Ferguson, S Chicago.... If we do see a Black Swan event that effects the handouts for longer than 30 days we may see the zombies start spreading violence to otherwise safe areas. I say 30 days because they will burn their neighborhoods first and be on foot by the end of the 2nd week. My neighborhood has one access street but on foot it would be very hard to defend, although the fairway in back gives me a good 100m kill zone  | |||
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