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I believe in the principle of Due Process |
Of that we can be sure. American Spectator H. W. Crocker III In the summer of 1862, just weeks before the Battle of Sharpsburg (or Antietam) — the bloodiest single day of fighting in American history — Union Captain George Armstrong Custer attended the wedding of Confederate Captain John “Gimlet” Lea at Bassett Hall in Williamsburg, Virginia, as best man. The Union officer was dressed in blue, the Confederate officer in grey, and Custer being Custer spent the next two weeks flirting with the Southern belle cousin of the bride, even joining her in singing “Dixie.” At one point she told him, “You ought to be in our army.” “What would you give me if I resigned my commission in the Northern army and joined the Southern?” “You are not in earnest, are you?” He wasn’t, of course. Custer was nothing if not loyal, and he believed that he was bound to the Union by the oath he had sworn at West Point, whatever his affection for Southern officers and their ladies. Such gallantry seems unthinkable today, when members of the Trump administration are hounded from restaurants and theatres, and Confederate officers like John Lea, if they are remembered at all, are considered precursors of the German National Socialists, and their once famous and respected commanders like Robert E. Lee, Stonewall Jackson, and Jeb Stuart have their statues toppled and banished from public squares, their names stripped from public schools, and their memories spat upon and disgraced. The difference between the America of today and the America of what seems like just yesterday is that we once had a common culture. As recently as 1990, Ken Burns could make a Civil War documentary for PBS and let historian Shelby Foote wax eloquent on the martial prowess of Confederate General Nathan Bedford Forrest — something that now would likely get them both tarred, feathered, and Twitter-banned. Yes, there were big differences between North and South a century and a half ago. The South was a slave-holding, free-trading, libertarian-leaning, conservative Christian, agricultural, aristocratic Sparta, while the North was a commercial, industrial, protectionist, Transcendentalist, social gospel, democratic Athens. But they held far more in common than separated them — beginning with the fact that, as Lincoln observed, “Both read the same Bible and pray to the same God.” In the end, the war was fought over a single legal issue: whether the states that had freely ratified the Constitution to form the Union could freely leave the Union if they felt it no longer served their interests. One need only compare the Confederate Constitution to the United States Constitution to see that the former bears a striking resemblance to the latter. And far from being a national socialist charter, the Confederate Constitution puts even more restraints on federal power and limits the president to one six-year term. The great seal of the Confederacy bears the image of George Washington, many of whose relatives served with the Confederacy, including Lieutenant James B. Washington, a West Point classmate of Custer’s (the two had a famous picture taken together — Washington was a prisoner of war — a few weeks before Lea’s wedding). North and South venerated the Founders. They shared the same language, the same religion, and, in large part, the same general stock. Most of all, they shared what Jeff Sessions was recently rebuked for calling an “Anglo-American heritage” of liberty under law, stretching from the mists of medieval England — even before Magna Carta — to our own Bill of Rights. Today, however, our divisions are so deep and fundamental that Americans cannot even agree on what marriage is or what a man or a woman is (which is pretty darn fundamental). The lunatic self-righteousness of the Left (and yes, I’m afraid one must point fingers here), where disagreement is bigotry to be prohibited by law or even condemned and prosecuted as treason, is a consuming, destructive fire that will not be easily quenched, and cannot be reached by cool waters of rational argument. So what to do? We can start by trying to stop the Left’s war on America’s past, which is poisoning the well-spring of our national identity. If William McKinley, a Union officer turned president, could approve a Confederate memorial at Arlington Cemetery, it seems to me that we can at least be as understanding of our own history. Let us remember that President Dwight D. Eisenhower, who ordered the 101stAirborne Division to help desegregate Arkansas’s public schools, kept a portrait of Robert E. Lee in his office at the White House and admired him as a hero (as did, incidentally, George C. Marshall, whose anti-fascist bona fides are rather more profound than Antifa’s, I reckon). We could also try to lighten the mood a little. I’ve conscripted Custer for this very purpose in a series of novels that imagine he survived the Battle of the Little Big Horn to become a gun-slinging Western do-gooder, riding under the pseudonym of Marshal Armstrong. There’s some real history in these books, but the point is to regain a rational, even if nostalgic, perspective on our past by eliciting laughter. America’s story is a glorious adventure — not a grim catalogue of irredeemable sins. The sinners-in-the-hands-of-an-angry-progressive-god sermonizing that comes at us in endless, stultifying repetition from the press, Hollywood, and academia — today’s hysterical, bug-eyed, Puritan witch-burners — is the acid-bath dissolving our culture and our nation. If America is to come together again, it will do so only through the restoration of what Lincoln called our mystic chords of memory, a common culture that emerges from a shared and sympathetic understanding of our past — the sort of shared understanding that can bring a Union and a Confederate officer to a wedding, and former Union General George Armstrong Custer, alias Marshal Armstrong, to the rescue. Link Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | ||
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delicately calloused |
A common culture..... Since we bought into the lie of multiculturalism, I don't see a reunification happening. We would also have to unite behind a standard of true principles and a high moral code. Since we bought into the lie of Leftism and the tyranny of political correctness, I don't see that happening either. No, one side will oppress the other until the oppressed have had their fill. You’re a lying dog-faced pony soldier | |||
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Lawyers, Guns and Money |
Who is "we"? I refuse to buy in! "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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Big Stack |
There's not going to be another civil war, at least in terms similar to the first one. We only have one military, and it will in all likelihood stay loyal to the existing federal government. Any breakaway faction of states would have no real usable military, and will easily be crushed. As time goes on, and the military gets more automated, this will only make that outcome more likely. | |||
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I believe in the principle of Due Process |
It need not involve organized armies moving and taking territory, denying rail and river access, etc. anymore than the fighting in Afghanistan and Syria is being conducted just like the battles of WWII. It is a “civil” war. Mobs, wide spread riots, insurrection, destruction, breach of peace and tranquility, looting of CVS stores, disrupting the peaceable conduct of ordinary life. Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | |||
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Only dead fish go with the flow |
We're in the middle of a civil war right now but it's the first world variety. Just like we're currently witnessing a first world attempted coup. | |||
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Mired in the Fog of Lucidity |
Yup, I'm right there with you! | |||
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Get my pies outta the oven! |
Bring it! | |||
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Unflappable Enginerd |
Sooo, just another day since 11/2016? __________________________________ NRA Benefactor I lost all my weapons in a boating, umm, accident. http://www.aufamily.com/forums/ | |||
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delicately calloused |
I say we because most of the population has bought into at least some considerable degree of those culture and freedom destroying concepts. You and I and many here are anomalous. We are the exception. I have been distressed at how many self described conservatives who declare rejection of those PC concepts while imposing them on others. I call them pearl clutchers. They are intoxicated with the power of sanctimony and virtue signaling about false principles. I've seen it here. In our culture today it actually takes effort and discipline to not do it; which is why I say if we can't learn to respect others' liberty, we will not long keep our own. You’re a lying dog-faced pony soldier | |||
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Coin Sniper |
My prediction is that the militant left will finally resort to force to push their agenda and conservatives will meet that force. The next civil war will be left vs. right as opposed to North vs. South. Pronoun: His Royal Highness and benevolent Majesty of all he surveys 343 - Never Forget Its better to be Pavlov's dog than Schrodinger's cat There are three types of mistakes; Those you learn from, those you suffer from, and those you don't survive. | |||
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Member |
Do I need to clean my rifle again? CMSGT USAF (Retired) Chief of Police (Retired) | |||
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Member |
^^^This. And when it does happen, I think it will be very geographically centralized in primarily liberal/leftist areas of the country. I also think, once both sides are fully engaged, it will be a very, very, short skirmish. ----------------------------- Guns are awesome because they shoot solid lead freedom. Every man should have several guns. And several dogs, because a man with a cat is a woman. Kurt Schlichter | |||
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Member |
My wife and I discuss this subject of us and them often. We wonder how much migration has and is occurring, due to people seeking an area of the nation which might be a "refuge" away from the Left. We are wondering if the Nation will split geographically as a precursor for what comes next. ----------------------------------- USAF/ANG Retired | |||
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Get my pies outta the oven! |
Maybe not. | |||
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Member |
These articles are nothing more than stirring the pot. There will not ever be another civil war, and no, we are currently not in a civil war. Temper tantrums and local protests do not make a civil war. And we didn't buy into leftism, again my proof is Trump won. _____________________________ Off finding Galt's Gulch | |||
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Member |
^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^ While those memes might seem clever, don't underestimate the potential of "the other side" to fuck up your day and your life. No, not squared off against a bunch of us with our clean rifles, but planting a damn bomb at the convenience store where you happen to buy gas, or your wife's workplace, or parking a bunch of cars on the road you need to drive on, etc. | |||
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Lawyers, Guns and Money |
Really? When Ferguson burned, I stayed home and watched it on TV. I'm not going into the City to engage in battle... but if it comes to my part of the County I will defend my family. I'd just as soon wall off the City of St. Louis, Baltimore, Chicago, etc. and burn them down. I'm not going in to fight. There's nothing in these inner city areas worth fighting for. "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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stupid beyond all belief |
It seems like every 2 months or less theres another civil war article. These articles must be drawing massive clicks What man is a man that does not make the world better. -Balian of Ibelin Only boring people get bored. - Ruth Burke | |||
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Lawyers, Guns and Money |
Didn't ol' Honest Abe have that problem before the last civil war too? "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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