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Originally posted by egregore:

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Originally posted by HuskySig:
We deserve this

What's this "we" and "deserve" shit?

We as a nation have allowed this PC nonsense to simmer for 30-40 years, now it's starting to boil. We have elected and then reelected these fools to positions of ever growing power. That's what I mean.

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Originally posted by HuskySig:

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Originally posted by egregore:

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Originally posted by HuskySig:
We deserve this

What's this "we" and "deserve" shit?

We as a nation have allowed this PC nonsense to simmer for 30-40 years, now it's starting to boil. We have elected and then reelected these fools to positions of ever growing power. That's what I mean.

I think he was alluding to the idea in the old joke about Tonto saying "What you mean 'we', white man?" I, for one, do not accept any blame for our current circumstances. I did not vote for any of these idiots, and I contributed to the campaigns of many better candidates who, unfortunately, lost.

flashguy

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Originally posted by flashguy:
I think he was alluding to the idea in the old joke about Tonto saying "What you mean 'we', white man?" I, for one, do not accept any blame for our current circumstances. I did not vote for any of these idiots, and I contributed to the campaigns of many better candidates who, unfortunately, lost.

flashguy

"They" deserve it, but we ALL get it.

The pussification of America has extended to the military.

Enlisted August 1968 and remember some of the older troops talking about the "brown boot army" and then how things had changed by 1977when i became a civilian again... Spent 3 years as a Field Artillery Drill Sgt. at Ft Sill, Okla(early 1970's) and can not imagine how a current Drill Sgt is able to operate under the current and forthcoming PC guidelines. As saying attributed to General Patton (US Army WWII European Theater) something to the effect that your job as a American soldier is the kill that enemy SOB before he kills you. ................... drill sgt.

We are almost there...

Sitting on the vine, getting ripe for the picking to come...

China is watching...

I watched Levin last night...Keane was one talking about war game scenarios. Several years ago most ended in us barely winning and several with China on top.

Biden is accelerating the ripening...

Wont be long until all scenarios point to a China win.

Then what?

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'Diversity & Inclusion' officer

AKA "Political commissar":

In the military, a political commissar or political officer (or politruk, a portmanteau word from Russian: политический руководитель, pronounced politicheskiy rukovoditel, translated "political leader", "political official"), is a supervisory officer responsible for the political education (ideology) and organization of the unit they are assigned to, this being intended to ensure civilian control of the military.

Straight from the communist handbook.

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Originally posted by mbinky:

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'Diversity & Inclusion' officer

AKA "Political commissar":

In the military, a political commissar or political officer (or politruk, a portmanteau word from Russian: политический руководитель, pronounced politicheskiy rukovoditel, translated "political leader", "political official"), is a supervisory officer responsible for the political education (ideology) and organization of the unit they are assigned to, this being intended to ensure civilian control of the military.

Straight from the communist handbook.

The communist Political Officer was the first thing that came to mind when I realised that this wasn't one of those satire articles or a joke.

I suppose each unit will have a "D&I" officer assigned to it, and they'll have authority over & above the CO in matters of "diversity & inclusion."

I wonder what my DIs at Parris island in 1966 would've thought of this BS. Unf---ing believable!

Well.........
add this to the long list of changes to further degrade our troops and its readiness such as:

1.) ridiculous new uniform standards
2.) New grooming standards
3.) the new PT test they keep changing to make sure all kinds pass the test

etc.. . and etc...

What many don't know and many don't care (politicians) is that combat soldiers especially ones that are hard core and conservative are leaving when there enlistments are up.

As many have heard in the past and it is still true.. Many Special operations personnel say the hell with it and go work for Private contractors. All the fun, better pay, less BS, and you get treated like an adult.

Two weeks ago I had a Hazwoper Physical and the PA who reviewed and signed off on my paperwork was a former Special Forces Medic. We talked for about a half hour regarding our careers and why he left. It was all Political and diversity/inclusion BS. He got out, went to PA school and makes big money.

Drill SGT stated he cannot imagine how anyone could be a DS now: It sucks. When I went back through in the fall of 2010, I was the last all male basic training class to go through Fort Knox before they shut everything down and sent it to Fort Benning. It was PC and touchy feely in 2010 and it was all males. I cannot imagine what it is like now being COED and even more WOKE or whatever they call the BS>

It was such a contrast when I went through 19D OSUT at Fort Knox in 1992-1993.

It will be a waste of money, and a lot of talent will leave, but none of these people will deploy to combat zones. They will be pregnant or on a medical profile (broken fingernail, cramps),or just say they don't won't to go.
They'll be included and put on posters, but they won't go to war.

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Originally posted by drill sgt:
Enlisted August 1968 and remember some of the older troops talking about the "brown boot army" and then how things had changed by 1977when i became a civilian again... Spent 3 years as a Field Artillery Drill Sgt. at Ft Sill, Okla(early 1970's) and can not imagine how a current Drill Sgt is able to operate under the current and forthcoming PC guidelines. As saying attributed to General Patton (US Army WWII European Theater) something to the effect that your job as a American soldier is the kill that enemy SOB before he kills you. ................... drill sgt.

It's fucking awful how soft it's gotten. Buddy just got off the trail about a year or so ago and he said all the things we went through aren't allowed anymore. This includes things like: 45 second shower drills, kicking troops out of the DFAC before they're done eating, not allowing them to eat/drink all items in the DFAC (desserts, soda, etc.), cursing at them, calling them by anything other than their rank & name, smokings, no forced road marches to ranges, etc.

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Originally posted by Poacher:
It will be a waste of money, and a lot of talent will leave, but none of these people will deploy to combat zones. They will be pregnant or on a medical profile (broken fingernail, cramps),or just say they don't won't to go.
They'll be included and put on posters, but they won't go to war.

Plenty of people like that are in. College was paid for, they get all the benefits and even whore their benefits such as discounts at Foot Locker, etc. yet when it's time to earn those benefits, "I don't have anyone to watch my kids" or "my mom is sick so I can't go..." We have so many weak officers and NCOs it's a fucking joke.

In my opinion, everyone's first assignment should be to a light infantry combat brigade for 4 years with at least 1 combat deployment in there. Weed out the weak ones.

And if you play the games of wanting to collect disability for imaginary PTSD (very common since it can't be disproven unlike physical ailments), you should not be allowed to own/handle firearms. No concealed carry permits, either.

The Army even eliminated the promotion board requirement of having your photo because it could "be cause for bias" as if all identifiable information is blacked out. So many undeserving promotions based on "equality" and "diversity" but when you read the names on promotion lists, it's obvious who they're promoting.

If I were to be asked when this shit started, I'd conjure up memories of the Cadre-Trainee / Trainee-Cadre relationship edict that was foisted on we Drill Sergeants in the late '60s. This was at Ft Dix if it matters. We were told no more foul language, crass yody cadence, or hands on trainees. For the later, we were to talk another trainee through adjusting whatever needed to be corrected on the offending troop. This instead, of say, yanking their pack straps to tighten them to where they should be before a forced field march.

Needless to say we all felt this was over the top bullshit. Ironically it pales in comparison to what we're seeing now.


Sadly I could never serve in today's climate. And yeah FWIW, I was army enlisted before taking a naval commission.

Edmond

Its ironic that you mentioned those things because I read/watch a news brief by the SGT MAJOR of the Army stating reasons why shark attack is not allowed at the beginning of basic training anymore.

Basically it is too intimidating, and now they do all these little squad tasks and play games.


It is now called the First 100 yards--->
(What a crock of garbage)

An initiation developed during the Army’s draft years to help drill sergeants establish “psychological dominance” over infantry trainees has been replaced by a new event intended to emphasize teamwork and trust, according to the Army Infantry School’s senior enlisted soldier.

The decades-old "shark attack” was marked by drill sergeants yelling in trainees' faces as they stepped off the buses at Fort Benning, Georgia, ordering them to perform exercises using loaded duffel bags and instilling a sense of submission in trainees on their first day of training.

“This activity, however, does not instill the spirit of the infantry. It betrays the innate trust between teammates and worse, betrays the crucial bond of trust with our leaders,” Fortenberry added.

"If you can't take 'this', then what will you do when shit gets real" I believe this is a military standard and was probably screamed at Spartan 7 year olds in 356 BC.

I had it screamed at me and later I screamed it at others. I thought it was probably true when I heard it, I believed it to my very bones when I said it.

I think this current soft discipline approach is wrong headed, a disservice to ur country and a betrayal to the young warriors and to the parents that entrusted them to the system.

I've always been told that the job of the USMC was "to kill people and break things" and I'm of the opinion that is all they should be trained to do. (I spent 20 years USAF, so I'm not in their class.)

flashguy

Silliest fucking thing I’ve ever heard. What did Krueshev (sp) say? Defeat them from within.

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Originally posted by joel9507:

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Mr. Torres-Estrada has nearly two decades worth of experience working diversity and inclusion programs and activities in federal agencies.

So, hasn't been productively employed for nearly 20 years. Great candidate.

Being on hands and knees in the back office requires quite a bit of talent.

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Originally posted by flashguy:
I've always been told that the job of the USMC was "to kill people and break things" and I'm of the opinion that is all they should be trained to do. (I spent 20 years USAF, so I'm not in their class.)

flashguy

What does that mean?

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Originally posted by arabiancowboy:

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Originally posted by flashguy:
I've always been told that the job of the USMC was "to kill people and break things" and I'm of the opinion that is all they should be trained to do. (I spent 20 years USAF, so I'm not in their class.)

flashguy

What does that mean?

I don't know for sure what flashguy means, but in my case, I had always admired the Marines. When it came my time to serve, I did not think that I could make it as a Marine, I just did not think that I was up to it physically, so when the Navy recruiter offered me a slot as a missile geek / techie guy, I decided to do my time that way.

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Originally posted by arabiancowboy:

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Originally posted by flashguy:
I've always been told that the job of the USMC was "to kill people and break things" and I'm of the opinion that is all they should be trained to do. (I spent 20 years USAF, so I'm not in their class.)

flashguy

What does that mean?

Maybe that he hasn't broken anything. I got out of the Marines in 1970 & there was a saying back then that went something like:
Put a Marine private in a locked windowless room with three anvils. Come back in a couple hours, and one anvil will be missing without a trace, another one will be broken, and the last one will be pregnant.