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Article states it went into effect Dec. 10th, with no exception for NJ Leo's (mags over 10 rnds). This is some nonsense. https://defensemaven.io/blueli...iv3svCD2JRg9X3jmg5Mo | ||
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Age Quod Agis |
Good. That will eventually reduce public political support for this sort of bullshit. Now, hopefully, the law also says that a NJ cop has no public safety duties when off duty, and can't be criticized for failing to act in an emergency if off duty. I've always considered laws that give cops extra gun privileges when they are off duty to be a divide and conquer strategy on the part of lawmakers. "I vowed to myself to fight against evil more completely and more wholeheartedly than I ever did before. . . . That’s the only way to pay back part of that vast debt, to live up to and try to fulfill that tremendous obligation." Alfred Hornik, Sunday, December 2, 1945 to his family, on his continuing duty to others for surviving WW II. | |||
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Tinker Sailor Soldier Pie |
It's been discussed here a little bit: https://sigforum.com/eve/forums...935/m/8970035054/p/2 And it's nonsense whether the person affected is the police or not. My sister is a Sheriff's deputy in New Jersey. Her preferred off-duty carry is a Glock 30s so her magazines are likely 10 or less. However, this stupid law will still create a problem when she does leave the house with her duty weapon. Frankly, even though she's my sister, I say good. Let them feel the full weight of this silly crap. Freakin' Jersey ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan "Once there was only dark. If you ask me, light is winning." ~Rust Cohle | |||
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Bolt Thrower |
Good, now apply it to them on duty. | |||
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No special rights for anyone. You get the communist shithole you demand. ____________________________ Eeewwww, don't touch it! Here, poke at it with this stick. | |||
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| Age Quod Agis |
Dear New Jersey Cops: Your elected representatives, and the people they serve, think so little of you, and have so little trust in you, that you are only permitted to carry weapons when on duty and under the direct supervision of your political overlords. Have a nice day. The Politicians of New Jersey. "I vowed to myself to fight against evil more completely and more wholeheartedly than I ever did before. . . . That’s the only way to pay back part of that vast debt, to live up to and try to fulfill that tremendous obligation." Alfred Hornik, Sunday, December 2, 1945 to his family, on his continuing duty to others for surviving WW II. | |||
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in a similar bureaucratic madness episode, the clueless socialist mayor of Portland Oregon recently replaced a decades-old downtown area horse-mounted unit of sworn police, with an unarmed unsworn cadre of individuals of unknown skill set & no actual police authority. **************~~~~~~~~~~ "I've been on this rock too long to bother with these liars any more." ~SIGforum advisor~ "When the pain of staying the same outweighs the pain of change, then change will come."~~sigmonkey | |||
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| Too old to run, too mean to quit! |
I sure hope/pray that whatever is in the water around Portland does not get spread around!! It must be something in the water. Other than extended drug abuse I can think of nothing that would cause so much stupidity! Elk There has never been an occasion where a people gave up their weapons in the interest of peace that didn't end in their massacre. (Louis L'Amour) "To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical. " -Thomas Jefferson "America is great because she is good. If America ceases to be good, America will cease to be great." Alexis de Tocqueville FBHO!!! The Idaho Elk Hunter | |||
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And the State FOP supported the democrat politicians that created this mess. I argued the point with a fellow retiree that is a State FOP official and he claimed they would waste their influence since the Dems get elected. Looks like they were hoisted on their own petard. You lay down with dogs and you get fleas... La Dolce Vita | |||
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Back when I lived in New Jersey years ago I was an active volunteer firefighter. A lot of police officers I knew were also firefighters. Most of the police officers I knew back then did not want to carry off duty. One friend did not even want to bring his gun in his house. That was just part of the way things were looked at back then. Most people I knew could not understand why anyone would even want to own a gun. The Second Amendment to the United States Constitution. A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. As ratified by the States and authenticated by Thomas Jefferson, Secretary of State NRA Life Member | |||
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| The success of a solution usually depends upon your point of view |
So who watches the watchers? In order for a LEO to get arrested for haveing a standard capacity magazine they would have to be stopped, checked and then arrested by another LEO. How likely is that? “We truly live in a wondrous age of stupid.” - 83v45magna "I think it's important that people understand free speech doesn't mean free from consequences societally or politically or culturally." -Pranjit Kalita, founder and CIO of Birkoa Capital Management | |||
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Exactly, but if a cop does wind up getting arrested, I can guarantee a DA will charge the guy with the magazines. "Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor.” Robert A. Heinlein “You may beat me, but you will never win.” sigmonkey-2020 “A single round of buckshot to the torso almost always results in an immediate change of behavior.” Chris Baker | |||
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| The success of a solution usually depends upon your point of view |
I do not doubt that which just makes me belive the the LEOs will be more likely to take care of their own. “We truly live in a wondrous age of stupid.” - 83v45magna "I think it's important that people understand free speech doesn't mean free from consequences societally or politically or culturally." -Pranjit Kalita, founder and CIO of Birkoa Capital Management | |||
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Honky Lips |
The same year CT went to 10 round mags, the State Troopers went to P220's. Seems they're not as crafty in NJ. | |||
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Coast Guard? "Ninja kick the damn rabbit" | |||
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| I Am The Walrus |
This makes sense. Why? Because their law makers believes this makes a difference to criminals and since everyone, law abiding and criminal alike, will follow this law to help contribute to less gun violence, this is what needs to be done. Why should they have different laws than the common peasant?  The people in NJ voted for this shit so everyone should have to live with it. Don't like it, vote the bastards out. _____________ | |||
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All of the more civilized states should do away with police issued semi auto firearms of any kind. I recommend five shot revolvers filled with non lethal rounds. A non offensive, safe and gluten free mild pepper spray is good for off duty. No one's life, liberty or property is safe while the legislature is in session.- Mark Twain | |||
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Years ago, NJ enacted a "Zero Tolerance" policy regarding hollow points. Lots of NYPD guys would drive from Upstate NY to the City by cutting through NJ. NJ State Troopers would pull them over and ask the *in uniform* NYPD guy if he had any weapons in the car. The reply went something like "Da fuck do you think, asshole?" Then, the Trooper would arrest the NYPD guy, confiscate his personal vehicle, and levy a fine for $1000 per hollowpoint bullet (15+15+15+1). Governor's orders. Bruce "The designer of the gun had clearly not been instructed to beat about the bush. 'Make it evil,' he'd been told. 'Make it totally clear that this gun has a right end and a wrong end. Make it totally clear to anyone standing at the wrong end that things are going badly for them. If that means sticking all sort of spikes and prongs and blackened bits all over it then so be it. This is not a gun for hanging over the fireplace or sticking in the umbrella stand, it is a gun for going out and making people miserable with." -Douglas Adams “It is just as difficult and dangerous to try to free a people that wants to remain servile as it is to try to enslave a people that wants to remain free." -Niccolo Machiavelli The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all. -Mencken | |||
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| The Constable |
Driving and criminal offenses are two different matters. NJ cops tend to drive very fast when off duty, if stopped they flash their badges or show a PBA membership card. Times may have changed but way back when I was in NJ during my five years on the job NO ONE ever did a thing with a miscreant off duty cop. It was a free pass. | |||
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Sigforum K9 handler |
Come on guys, we're almost to the end of page 1 and no one has made an 1984 or Animal Farm reference........ You guys are slipping.  | |||
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