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Originally posted by SevenPlusOne:

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So who watches the watchers?

Coast Guard?

What you did there, i see it Homer

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Originally posted by 71 TRUCK:
Most of the police officers I knew back then did not want to carry off duty.
One friend did not even want to bring his gun in his house.
That was just part of the way things were looked at back then.
Most people I knew could not understand why anyone would even want to own a gun.

There's number of cops who would choose not to carry a gun, if given a choice. Their POV is, by having to carry a firearm it's simply another items to be mindful of, from qualifying, being proficient, to maintenance and storage, the weight, the ammo and accessories like holsters, lights, magazines, not to mention the use of force matrix that you constantly need to evaluate..it's too much for some thus, they'd prefer to not have. Mind-boggling given the job requirements and feeds into the lazy-cop stereotype.

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Originally posted by jljones:
Come on guys, we're almost to the end of page 1 and no one has made an 1984 or Animal Farm reference........

You guys are slipping.

Nah, I think that would be unfair. This is a case where the politicians aren't giving police preference over their citizens, rather, they are equally screwing everybody.

In fact, I feel kind of bad for the police. They're fucked if they do and fucked if they don't. Carry the gun and get caught and they're screwed. At the same time, don't carry the gun, and then run away from a school shooting or mall attack, and they will be fed to the wolves by their command structure and politicians, and hated by the public. You see, in a mess like New Jersey, there's no such thing as winning.

Next week, when the legislature fixes it's mistake and gives the cops authority to carry ordinary capacity guns again, we'll fire up our righteous indignation and break out the "1984" and "Animal Farm" references.

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Originally posted by jljones:
Come on guys, we're almost to the end of page 1 and no one has made an 1984 or Animal Farm reference........

You guys are slipping.

But personally, I would like high capacity restricted to LEO duty weapons only in commie states. I'm sure plenty of cops in communist states buy all manner of stuff because "they can", when in reality it should be limited to duty weapon (1), off duty carry weapon (1), and duty rifle (1).

Everything else should be as neutered as the masses.

Of course, no one would ever enforce that law, but still.

It only relates to magazine capacity but it is nucking futz anyway. On the practical side, officers could just carry several magazines but my money is on the bargaining units getting this changed.

Simple. Take a sharpie marker and write this on the magazine "Modified to not hold more than 10 rounds". That way if someone is scared by 15 round mags they can rest assured because it's written on the magazine that it's not a high cap mag.

Seriously, this would work. It's the stupid society we live in today. It will only get worse.

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Originally posted by RNshooter:

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Originally posted by SpinZone:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by MikeinNC:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by SpinZone:
So who watches the watchers?

In order for a LEO to get arrested for haveing a standard capacity magazine they would have to be stopped, checked and then arrested by another LEO.

How likely is that?

Years ago, NJ enacted a "Zero Tolerance" policy regarding hollow points. Lots of NYPD guys would drive from Upstate NY to the City by cutting through NJ. NJ State Troopers would pull them over and ask the *in uniform* NYPD guy if he had any weapons in the car. The reply went something like "Da fuck do you think, asshole?"
Then, the Trooper would arrest the NYPD guy, confiscate his personal vehicle, and levy a fine for $1000 per hollowpoint bullet (15+15+15+1). Governor's orders.

Bruce

I would have thought that action would have caused a widespread boycott of anything NJ--no shopping, etc.--by NYers. And absolutely no coordination between LEO agencies in the 2 states.

flashguy

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Originally posted by RNshooter:

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Originally posted by SpinZone:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by MikeinNC:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by SpinZone:
So who watches the watchers?

In order for a LEO to get arrested for haveing a standard capacity magazine they would have to be stopped, checked and then arrested by another LEO.

How likely is that?

Years ago, NJ enacted a "Zero Tolerance" policy regarding hollow points. Lots of NYPD guys would drive from Upstate NY to the City by cutting through NJ. NJ State Troopers would pull them over and ask the *in uniform* NYPD guy if he had any weapons in the car. The reply went something like "Da fuck do you think, asshole?"
Then, the Trooper would arrest the NYPD guy, confiscate his personal vehicle, and levy a fine for $1000 per hollowpoint bullet (15+15+15+1). Governor's orders.

Bruce

Can you cite a specific case for me, if I can document it I would like to include this in one of my training courses.

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Originally posted by corsair:

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Originally posted by 71 TRUCK:
Most of the police officers I knew back then did not want to carry off duty.
One friend did not even want to bring his gun in his house.
That was just part of the way things were looked at back then.
Most people I knew could not understand why anyone would even want to own a gun.

There's number of cops who would choose not to carry a gun, if given a choice. Their POV is, by having to carry a firearm it's simply another items to be mindful of, from qualifying, being proficient, to maintenance and storage, the weight, the ammo and accessories like holsters, lights, magazines, not to mention the use of force matrix that you constantly need to evaluate..it's too much for some thus, they'd prefer to not have. Mind-boggling given the job requirements and feeds into the lazy-cop stereotype.

IMHO, any cop that does not want to carry a firearm on duty should move to England or get a different job. A LEO without a piece is useless.

flashguy

This is not an intentional prohibition by the legislature. They just are too dumb to read their own law.

The text of the law exempted retired LEO’s from the high capacity magazine restriction, and active on duty LEO’s, just not active off duty. So if they want to carry a high capacity magazine, they just need to retire.

Remember Hanlon’s razor: Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

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Originally posted by HayesGreener:

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Originally posted by RNshooter:

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Originally posted by SpinZone:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by MikeinNC:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by SpinZone:
So who watches the watchers?

In order for a LEO to get arrested for haveing a standard capacity magazine they would have to be stopped, checked and then arrested by another LEO.

How likely is that?

Years ago, NJ enacted a "Zero Tolerance" policy regarding hollow points. Lots of NYPD guys would drive from Upstate NY to the City by cutting through NJ. NJ State Troopers would pull them over and ask the *in uniform* NYPD guy if he had any weapons in the car. The reply went something like "Da fuck do you think, asshole?"
Then, the Trooper would arrest the NYPD guy, confiscate his personal vehicle, and levy a fine for $1000 per hollowpoint bullet (15+15+15+1). Governor's orders.

Bruce

Can you cite a specific case for me, if I can document it I would like to include this in one of my training courses.

The LEOSA allows duty ammunition in NJ. The 2010 amendment of the law was enacted specifically to preempt the NJ hollow point ban for visiting peace officers

https://www.congress.gov/bill/...enate-bill/1132/text

President Trump is off-base with his attempt to build a wall on the southern border.... we need to build walls around these socialist states and prevent them from corrupting the real America. Citizens of these states would only be let out when they can demonstrate they respect the Constitution.

Hand out wood guns like Will Ferrell received in the movie The Other Guys.

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Originally posted by blueye:
Hand out wood guns like Will Ferrell received in the movie The Other Guys.

It’s a rape whistle. You blow it and people with real guns will come running.

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Originally posted by jljones:

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Originally posted by blueye:
Hand out wood guns like Will Ferrell received in the movie The Other Guys.

It’s a rape whistle. You blow it and people with real guns will come running.

Yeah but make sure the 'barrel' end is where you blow from.

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Originally posted by RHINOWSO:
But personally, I would like high capacity restricted to LEO duty weapons only in commie states. I'm sure plenty of cops in communist states buy all manner of stuff because "they can", when in reality it should be limited to duty weapon (1), off duty carry weapon (1), and duty rifle (1).

Everything else should be as neutered as the masses.

Of course, no one would ever enforce that law, but still.

I disagree. I laughed at the guy trying to get a CA constitutional amendment going that banned special treatment for employees of the state, because he had no chance of success, but it would have been fantastic if he was.

He had lots of easily sold points about no special parking for politicians or cops, but his real (non-advertised) goal was any gun limitations (the roster, mag size limits, assault weapons bans, NFA bans) would apply equally to normal citizens and active duty cops.

Let’s face it, the criminals pay no attention to any of that nonsense and the cops are exempted from most of it, so the only person who suffers is the law abiding gun owner (or would-be gun owner).

One set of laws for everyone. Really simple.

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Originally posted by RNshooter:

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Originally posted by SpinZone:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by MikeinNC:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by SpinZone:
So who watches the watchers?

In order for a LEO to get arrested for haveing a standard capacity magazine they would have to be stopped, checked and then arrested by another LEO.

How likely is that?

Years ago, NJ enacted a "Zero Tolerance" policy regarding hollow points. Lots of NYPD guys would drive from Upstate NY to the City by cutting through NJ. NJ State Troopers would pull them over and ask the *in uniform* NYPD guy if he had any weapons in the car. The reply went something like "Da fuck do you think, asshole?"
Then, the Trooper would arrest the NYPD guy, confiscate his personal vehicle, and levy a fine for $1000 per hollowpoint bullet (15+15+15+1). Governor's orders.

Bruce

I call BS!!

I will have been in LE for 20 years, come this February. I’ve been to NJ numerous times and have talked with numerous other people in LE and other than when LEOSA first came about, I have never read or heard about any arrests. The arrests, not in NJ, were because the police were unsure if the person was covered by LEOSA.

I subscribe to several LE publications, belong to several LE forums, and I also do LEOSA certifications, so I pay particular attention to these types of things.

Like the other person said, can you provide any link or cite any court case to back up what you claim?

Governor’s order???? Yeah right. If there was ever one like that, he would be the first person named in false arrest and prosecution law suit!

In the big picture, LEOSA is relatively new.

Occasional interstate and intrastate "tit for tat" fusses between NYSP, NYPD, NJSP have likely been going on long before any of us were born.

I confirmed with a couple of my NJ cop buddies and they weren’t allowed to take their duty guns home this week. One is swat.

sadly the pols in NJ will fix this pronto and not reflect at all on the stupidity of a) passing it in the first place and b)passing it without actually considering its impact on certain groups that normally get exceptions on NJ gun laws or c) reading what they voted on.
just disgusting.