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Here is the entire letter from the Supe: Members of the Long Gray Line, I want to inform you that we have completed final adjudication of honor code violations that occurred during the plebe MA104 term end exam in May 2020 while cadets were in remote learning away from the Academy. The cadet honor committee investigated 73 cheating allegations. Of the 73, six cadets resigned during the investigation, four cadets were acquitted by a board of their peers, and two cases were dropped due to insufficient evidence. Of the remaining 61 cases adjudicated, eight were separated, 51 were turned back one full year, and two were turned back six months. All cadets that were turned back are held under a suspended separation until graduation. The separation takes effect if the cadet violates any of the probationary terms of the suspension. Five of the eight cadets separated from the Academy were offered participation in the Academy Mentorship Program. Under this program, cadets are required to serve for 8-12 months as an enlisted Soldier before they may apply for re-admission. There is no guarantee of re-admission. As you all know, we consider every violation of the cadet honor code a serious breach of integrity. Improving character development for all cadets remains my top priority and all cadets found guilty are being held accountable. Once found guilty by their peers, the cadets immediately lost privileges, received a course grade of “F,” and lost cadet rank. After adjudication of final punishment, all cadets who remain at the Academy were barred from representing West Point in NCAA competitions, club sport competitions, club trips, semesters abroad, academy exchange programs, brigade open finals, and public relations until the Superintendent approves completion of their Special Leader Development Program for Honor, which normally takes four to six months. In October 2020, I directed a formal review of the cadet honor system to be completed by October 2021. Two immediate focus areas were the Academy’s representation policy and the willful admission process. In late October 2020, I elevated the decision for cadets to represent the Academy to my level because of concerns that punishment was being implemented without consideration of chain of command input or matters of mitigation and extenuation. With this change, all cadets continued to conduct public affairs activities, participate in club activities, travel, and compete in their respective sport until final adjudication by the Superintendent. Of the original 73 cadets, 52 were athletes representing 10 different teams. Sixteen cadets, across six athletic teams, competed prior to final adjudication. Now that adjudication is complete, no cadet found guilty is currently representing the Academy. Of the 73 cadets notified of suspected cheating, 55 immediately admitted to the cheating through a program known as the willful admission process. The willful admissions process has been part of the West Point honor system since 2015 and eliminated separation as a punishment for cadets who meet the criteria for acceptance into the program. Early findings from the honor program review determined that the willful admission process was not meeting the desired intent of increasing self-reporting and decreasing toleration. Therefore, the Academy has decided to end the program, which means, going forward, separation will be a potential punishment for any honor violation. I assure you that the West Point Honor Code and the values of this institution remain immutable. West Point continues to be the preeminent leader development institution and is committed to educating, training, and inspiring the United States Corps of Cadets so that each graduate is a commissioned leader of character committed to the values of duty, honor, and country. _________________________________________________________________________ “A man’s treatment of a dog is no indication of the man’s nature, but his treatment of a cat is. It is the crucial test. None but the humane treat a cat well.” -- Mark Twain, 1902 | |||
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Just in time for football season. (Okay... I'll shut up now. ) | |||
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Still waiting for his response. _________________________________________________________________________ “A man’s treatment of a dog is no indication of the man’s nature, but his treatment of a cat is. It is the crucial test. None but the humane treat a cat well.” -- Mark Twain, 1902 | |||
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So, these little darlings get bumped back 6 months to a year and all at taxpayer expense. If they're going to be there an extra year then they should have to pay for it out of their (or more likely mommy & daddy's)pocket. It's pretty obvious (to me anyway) that the "honor" code at West Point is a farce. "A cadet will not lie, cheat or steal nor tolerate those who do." Sure sure. If that were the case there would be 53 fewer cadets there. The Army must be pretty hard up for officers is all I can figure. And this superintendent just reinforces the idea that "honor" is negotiable. As I said, it makes their entire code a farce in my eyes. But what so I know, I was a lowly Marine officer. Icarus flew too close to the sun, but at least he flew. | |||
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update from the WSJ article from today: --------------------------------------- West Point to End Policy of Leniency for Cadets After Covid-19 Pandemic Cheating Scandal Dozens at academy were punished in worst honor code breach in at least four decades but avoided expulsion West Point is the oldest of the U.S. service academies, with a storied history that dates to the Revolutionary War. WEST POINT, N.Y.—Cadets at the U.S. Military Academy are constantly reminded about the importance of integrity. The students must memorize an honor code, warning them to “not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.” The words are inscribed in marble at the Honor Plaza, in an area of the campus where hundreds, perhaps thousands, of future U.S. Army officers walk by every day. Now, Covid-19 has put that code to the test. The U.S. Military Academy at West Point this month concluded investigations into its largest cheating scandal in at least four decades. It punished dozens of cadets found to be dishonest on an exam while studying remotely during the Covid-19 pandemic, though those avoiding expulsion won’t have a permanent blemish on their records. A final summary report of their transgressions, including a decision to end a policy that for years has protected wayward cadets from being kicked out, is being reported for the first time by The Wall Street Journal. The policy, known as the “willful admission process,” can protect a cadet who admits to wrongdoing from being thrown out. It was put in place in 2015 to increase self-reporting without fear of removal and to encourage cadets to confront peers about honor violations without having them kicked out of school. The policy, however, didn’t achieve the desired intent, said Lt. Gen. Darryl A. Williams, superintendent of the academy, in an interview. “It’s clear to me, it has to go.” ‘It’s clear to me, it has to go,’ said Lt. Gen. Darryl A. Williams, superintendent of the U.S. Military Academy, on its policy of leniency. Like all of the military academies, West Point is competitive, with about 10% of a recent pool of applicants being admitted. The policy change, which will go into effect soon, will be hailed by some alumni of the elite institution who believe the willful-admission process was too forgiving. “Back in my day, there was just a zero tolerance,” said Jon Williams, a 1991 graduate of West Point and no relation to the superintendent. “If you were caught cheating there was no question about it, you were going home. You have to have character. That’s one of the things that distinguishes us from other institutions.” Yet some cadets and even some current academy administrators liked that it gave a second chance to the remorseful and that one mistake didn’t automatically end a military career. “West Point is a development institution,” said senior Evan Walker, who holds a cadet leadership position. “Some people providing feedback don’t get it.” Military academies are among the numerous educational entities around the country that have dealt with cheating scandals during the Covid-19 pandemic after millions of students were moved to remote learning, out of the watchful eyes of instructors. The U.S. Air Force Academy has said it suspects that 249 cadets cheated during last year’s spring semester, with a majority confessing and placed on six-month probation. The U.S. Naval Academy is in the adjudication phase for cases involving cheating on a sophomore-level physics final exam during the fall, an official said, declining to provide more information. West Point is the oldest of the U.S. military academies, with a storied history that dates to the Revolutionary War. It sits on high ground and above a narrow “S” curve in the Hudson River, which allowed the Continental Army to command river traffic, keeping the British from taking control. Its distinguished alumni include Presidents Dwight D. Eisenhower and Ulysses S. Grant. Lloyd J. Austin III, the current defense secretary, is also a graduate. Brig. Gen. Curtis A. Buzzard, commandant of cadets, interviewed those accused of cheating and found enough evidence to move cases forward. Brig. Gen. Cindy Jebb, dean of the academic board, was among officials who reported suspicions of cheating to the superintendent. Like all of the military academies, West Point is competitive, with about 10% of a recent pool of applicants being admitted. Students wanting admission are encouraged to not only be the absolute best in their classes and on standardized tests, but to compete in athletics and seek leadership opportunities. The students must be nominated, which can come from the U.S. president, vice president or members of Congress, or be service-connected. It is considered the Army’s premier officer training ground. In March 2020, for the first time in known memory, the West Point students didn’t return to campus after spring break. Instead, like most of the country, they moved to remote learning. “We sent a video out to the entire corps, saying, `Don’t cheat. We know you’re home.’ And they still did,” said Gen. Williams, a 38-year Army veteran, in an interview last week from his office. The first sign that something was afoul came in May, after cadets taking a freshman-level calculus course took their final exam online. Before the exam, the cadets were asked to acknowledge on two separate occasions the resources that could and couldn’t be used in taking it, according to Col. Tina Hartley, director of the mathematics department. Collaborating with classmates or others and not doing the work alone were forbidden. Nonetheless, professors grading the calculus exams began seeing suspicious patterns: multiple students with similarly worked step-by-step solutions, enough to raise a red flag. On a late afternoon after a full day of work, the superintendent was surprised to see his senior staff members in his office, unannounced, in a building nearly empty because of the pandemic. “Sir, we think we have a major honor breach,” he recalled their saying. The superintendent said his senior staff showed him a detailed analysis of how cadets were linked to each other, and how they potentially cheated. The investigation, which included interviews with the cadets, found that small groups had collaborated openly with each other, including by talking by phone as well as by text-messaging and communicating through FaceTime and Zoom. The academy hadn’t faced an honor breach like this since 1976, when dozens of cadets cheated on an electrical-engineering exam. The U.S. Military Academy in West Point, N.Y., is considered the Army’s premier officer training ground. Students seeking admission to West Point are encouraged to compete in athletics and seek leadership opportunities. The U.S. Military Academy cadet honor code: ‘A cadet will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.’ “I listened, and was thoughtful, thinking about the next steps. I knew that it was going to be a long road ahead,” said Gen. Williams, who took command of the academy in 2018 and is the first Black superintendent. The math department sent an email to suspected cadets with the evidence. It also included information on the willful-admission process, which gives 24 hours to self-admit after being approached for clarification or notification of a possible honor code violation. Most of the cadets, 59 of 73, suspected of cheating on the exam admitted right off, officials said. All but one of the cadets were in the second semester of their freshman year, called “plebes,” with the remaining one a sophomore, called a “yearling.” About a month into the investigation, which began in earnest in September because of delays partly associated with the pandemic, the superintendent suspended a “representation policy,” and elevated to his level the decision for cadets to continue participating in club activities and NCAA-level sports. In all, 52 of the suspected cheaters were athletes representing 10 teams. He said it was done out of concern that the punishment was being implemented without consideration of his input as the senior commander with extensive knowledge of facts. Under the change, 16 of the suspected cheaters participated in competitions. But when the cases were adjudicated, the cadets weren’t able to represent the academy in competitions. Of the 73 cadets identified as possibly having cheated, six resigned and left school and two had their cases dropped because of insufficient evidence, the report said. A board of their peers acquitted four cadets and sent eight others packing. Most of the cadets, however, applied and were accepted into the willful-admission process and were now protected from dismissal. A one-year graduation delay is the maximum punishment they could receive. Gen. Williams met in person with nearly all the cadets in a formal disciplinary process before deciding their fates. He had reviewed each case and recommendations from others in the investigative process, but the final decision rested with him. The superintendent said he asked each cadet a series of questions to understand their circumstances during remote learning. He said some cadets were in tears, with some citing the stress of the pandemic, such as needing to get a job to help the family or the loss of a loved one. “I agonized over every single one of these cadets,” the superintendent said. Retired Col. Jeffrey Peterson, director of the character integration advisory group, said West Point exists to develop leaders. Students applying to West Point must obtain nominations, which can come from the U.S. president, vice president or members of Congress, or be service-connected. Gen. Williams said that while he does believe that the pandemic played a role in the cheating as students learned from home, he doesn’t excuse it. The cadets were informed that they would receive an F in the calculus course, lose rank and some privileges and would be delayed in graduating—nearly all by one year. The superintendent said they could take more courses to fill in the time. They also must complete a leader development program that takes four to six months and includes a self-assessment and writing a journal on character. The superintendent must approve completion of the program for the cadet to be in good standing, or if disapproved the cadet is separated from the academy. The cadets in good standing will still be in a status of suspended separation. “If they slip, they’re gone,” Gen. Williams said. Those who graduate will still be eligible to be commissioned officers with no permanent notation about the event on their records. The superintendent said the decision to end the willful-admission process came after a review of the cadet honor system in October. He said it hasn’t worked and is viewed by cadets as a plea-bargaining tool, while limiting his disciplinary options. “I would have evaluated things differently,” he said. Despite that, some administrators spoke in support of giving the cadets the second chance that the willful-admission policy afforded, especially given the conditions of the pandemic. “I’m a little disappointed in some of the alumni that have been critical,” said Col. Brian Reed, deputy of the academy’s Department of Behavioral Sciences and Leadership. “I’m not making excuses for it, but the environment they lived in, none of us has ever dealt with that.” West Point is among numerous educational entities around the country that have dealt with cheating scandals during the Covid-19 pandemic. Write to Tawnell D. Hobbs at Tawnell.Hobbs@wsj.com https://www.wsj.com/articles/w...02?mod=hp_lead_pos13 ------------------------------------------------ Proverbs 27:17 - As iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another. | |||
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The Main Thing Is Not To Get Excited |
"Not making excuses for it"? that's exactly what he is doing. The environment they lived in was unique? Really? No plebe, cadet, soldier or officer has ever had trying times? Seriously Col? The gentleman is unbelievable. If a cadet cracks under the pressure of an online test, he might have a problem with, I dunno, a year living in a bunker in Shitstackastan, or maybe tear up if he has to jump out of an airplane that's really, really high. God help him if one of his uncles is ailing while he's supposed to be preparing final protective fires. I have no opinion on what the punishment should be for the offense. I was not a cadet; I was not a soldier. I don't have to be either to identify the col's position as one of excuse making, yes-butism, the positions of an assistant pastor not of a warrior. The Army went to a whole lot of trouble to turn the wreckage of our armed forces in the wake of the conflict in Viet-fucking-nam and built a warrior culture (by my outsider looking in estimation)that won a war in 80 hours, give or take, fought ferociously for decades while our political masters tried to figure out daylight savings time, and now the col. wants to make excuses for these cadets. Like I said, I won't, can't, say what the punishment should be, but excusing the behavior ought to be an offense in itself, as in 'tolerate those that do'. _______________________ | |||
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drop and give me 20 pushups |
Question :: When the cadets that were released from the academy were the issued DD214's showing that they had served ? And what was the type of discharge noted:: Honorable / Less than Honorable / General / Dishonorable or some new "WOKE" classification?? Personally had direct contact with a West Point graduate and he could not pour water out of his boot even with written instructions !! ...... drill sgt. | |||
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This is part of the problem. I wouldn’t have agonized over any of them for one second. I’d have had the entire corps form up and made each one of the cheaters, called to the front to form up and then told them “Pack your shit, you’re discharged. “ , and had them stripped of their uniform and marched to the gate. That is how it should have been done. Imagine the legacy of the 73 who got thrown out.....why it would live forever in The annals of the institution. "Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor.” Robert A. Heinlein “You may beat me, but you will never win.” sigmonkey-2020 “A single round of buckshot to the torso almost always results in an immediate change of behavior.” Chris Baker | |||
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Remediation should’ve had them spending the entirety of their active duty careers or first 6 years as 2nd Lieutenants. Now that would suck. ______________________________________________ Life is short. It’s shorter with the wrong gun… | |||
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I believe, they haven't served, they're college students, not soldiers. (I only base this on what a number of them have told me, though I have met a few who were already in the Army before being accepted into the academy) | |||
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The best of the best ? Hardly. Mommy and Daddy are cheaters too. Corruption and influence run in families. Lover of the US Constitution Wile E. Coyote School of DIY Disaster | |||
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From what I understand, they can drop out/quit into and up to the senior year w/o owing any time. Neighbor down the street got hurt, dropped out and never went back as she didn’t want to have to repeat some block in her third year....she said if they start the fourth year then they will ow service and if they drop out in that year they owe four years as an enlisted and start out at E5. When I was in the CG, I was quartered with a guy on a deployment who was amazingly smart...after talking a while I found he was an E6 who had dropped out of the CG academy in his last year for personal reasons...he was rolled into the enlisted ranks and was an E6 within six months due to his passing servicewide exam. He told me he was gonna finish his tour and get out. All with really three and a half years in the academy and four years as enlisted. "Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor.” Robert A. Heinlein “You may beat me, but you will never win.” sigmonkey-2020 “A single round of buckshot to the torso almost always results in an immediate change of behavior.” Chris Baker | |||
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My guess is the cadets involved in this cheating scandal (freshmen and a sophomore) will not since they do not incur a service obligation until the start of their junior year. _________________________________________________________________________ “A man’s treatment of a dog is no indication of the man’s nature, but his treatment of a cat is. It is the crucial test. None but the humane treat a cat well.” -- Mark Twain, 1902 | |||
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If you 'step out' at up to two years you take your credits and can transfer them to another school. One day over two years and you are on the hook for the cost of your schooling. You can write a check, or you can enist, but you're gonna pay.
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Well we also need to consider the times. The Rick Singer fiasco is one. Nothing like that happened during my college years. I personally think they should all be kicked out. My undergraduate college had an Honor Code and those caught cheating were told to leave. Simple as that. | |||
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Agree with ZSMICHAEL. Pretty much says it all.. | |||
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