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If my memory still serves me from 45 years ago, I took an oath at the end of a very long day in late August... and part of it was to never: Lie, Cheat or Steal...... My Native American Name: "Runs with Scissors" | |||
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Oaths, promises and commitments mean nothing to the selfish and immoral. You’re a lying dog-faced pony soldier | |||
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Based upon the statements by politicians that have championed the inclusion of more women in the military for years, it doesn't seem that the problem has gotten better. According to them, it's gotten WORSE! https://www.usatoday.com/story...-alcohol/3625405002/ "I'm not fluent in the language of violence, but I know enough to get around in places where it's spoken." | |||
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Discharge them and require them to pay restitution for the education the received. | |||
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Please, tell us...how do you know this? _________________________________________________________________________ “A man’s treatment of a dog is no indication of the man’s nature, but his treatment of a cat is. It is the crucial test. None but the humane treat a cat well.” -- Mark Twain, 1902 | |||
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Young men are going to make mistakes. Hopefully those mistakes don't follow them their whole lives. I think we can overlook many indiscretions, but not this one. These are to be the leaders of young men and women and to protect the future generations of soldiers an example needs to be set and standards adhered to. Consequences. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ | |||
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Ummm... With your logic, I see “your” officers making this statement: “They were the enemy. We didn’t have time to mess around with POW’s so we adapted and overcame by marching them off a cliff. It’s part of the job, not one solder goes to war without committing a war crime or two.” ___________________________ All it takes...is all you got. ____________________________ For those who have fought for it, Freedom has a flavor the protected will never know ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ | |||
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"When you gaze into the abyss, the abyss also gazes into you" ― Friedrich Nietzsche . | |||
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Correct me if I'm wrong but by being accepted to Westpoint they have been inducted into the army and if expelled they would then be sent to basic training. At least that is how I remember U.S. military college scholarships working many years ago. My Native American Name: "Runs with Scissors" | |||
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In late afternoon of your very first day, you take the oath of office, are "in" the Army and subject to the UCMJ. However, you do not incur a service obligation until the first day of your third (junior) academic year. It is not uncommon to have a few cadets quit after their first or second year, take their college credits and go elsewhere. _________________________________________________________________________ “A man’s treatment of a dog is no indication of the man’s nature, but his treatment of a cat is. It is the crucial test. None but the humane treat a cat well.” -- Mark Twain, 1902 | |||
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The first two years should include a tuition and board charge. Once you commit to military service your junior year - your incurred debt is erased. West Point has become a PC joke and the caliber of many officers coming out of there is pathetic. It is insult to all who have served and those attending that are true leaders and warriors. | |||
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Disgusting. Letting those shitheads slide is a crime against the military. Lover of the US Constitution Wile E. Coyote School of DIY Disaster | |||
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It’s one more stride into 3rd world cesspool status. We are slouching away from greatness in every aspect influenced by Leftism. You’re a lying dog-faced pony soldier | |||
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Bump. I, too, would be interested in how mdj came to this conclusion. Was he in a service academy, and did he personally violate the Honor Code in order to 'get through?' Or, (I think more likely) was his neighbor's dogsitter's ex-girlfriend's second cousin twice removed part of a Call of Duty game with an ex-Navy-SEAL-Special-Ranger-Forces-Airborne-Delta-Operator who graduated first in his class at 'the academy' (not sure which one)?. . . I actually work on the Air Force Academy, and I personally know dozens of cadets and dozens of staff members, as well as countless graduates. I am certain they would agree that one, in fact, CAN get through the Academy without cheating and 'sidestepping' parts of training they find difficult or inconvenient. Fear God and Dread Nought Admiral of the Fleet Sir Jacky Fisher | |||
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Personally, i don’t want to hear a single scumbag politician talk about honesty or integrity. Maybe we should have every single one of them take the same oath about lying, cheating, and stealing and apply it to them—with summary removal from office. That’s one way to clean House...and the Senate. | |||
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Not surprising... Problem is the Supe would rather win the Army/Navy game and then the Bowl game than enforce the Honor Code Most West Point cadets in cheating scandal are athletes The majority of cadets caught cheating on a math test at the West Point military academy are athletes — including two dozen members of the Army football team playing West Virginia in Thursday’s Liberty Bowl. Of the 24 Army Black Knights embroiled in the scandal, 17 remained in uniform as of Wednesday — and a few have already played in games this season, USA Today reported. They remain on the team because West Point Superintendent Lt. Gen. Darryl Williams suspended the school’s policy of barring cadets who violate the academy’s honor code from representing the school in public. The honor code is engraved in a monument at the Hudson River front school: “A cadet will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.” In all, 55 of the 73 cadets caught cheating on the May calculus test at the upstate New York school are members of sports teams and squads at the academy in the largest cheating scandal there in 44 years. The test was administered online because of social-distancing restrictions due to the COVID-19 pandemic. In 1976, 153 cadets were caught cheating on a mechanical engineering exam. In the current scandal, 58 cadets have already admitted that they cheated and will remain on probation throughout their tenure at West Point. Under academy policy, cadets found guilty of cheating would not have been allowed to play on sports teams after Nov 30, the date they were found in violation of the code. But in an Oct. 23 memo, Williams wrote that the policy “resulted in an inequitable application of consequences and developmental opportunities” for some cadets. West Point spokesman Lt. Col. Christopher Ophardt told USA Today that the decision was not related to the school’s football season. “We didn’t cancel the punishment,” Ophardt said. “We delayed it until final adjudication.” The Army football squad is 9-2 this season. https://nypost.com/2020/12/30/...candal-are-athletes/ NRA Life Member - "Fear God and Dreadnaught" | |||
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Ah, nice example you are setting there, Supe. . . Fear God and Dread Nought Admiral of the Fleet Sir Jacky Fisher | |||
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A quick follow up::: I am killing time at work manning the CQ desk when I ran across this article: "Eight cadets at West Point expelled for cheating, over 50 set back a year" This is an interesting turn of events. I thought they had already set the punishments for the cadets. Of the 73 cadets accused of cheating, six resigned during the investigation, four cadets were acquitted by a board of their peers, and two cases were dropped due to insufficient evidence. Among the 61 cadets found guilty of cheating, 51 were turned back one full year, and two were turned back six months. Eight were expelled, five of whom were offered the chance to enlist in the Army and reapply at West Point. I bet the 51 cadets that were caught cheating is regretting have to re-do a whole year all over again. That has got to blow. I wonder if that means there will be 51 less slots/appointments available for the incoming class. The article goes on to state: The academy also halted a program that had allowed students violating the school's vaunted honor code to stay at West Point by admitting fault and accepting punishment, the academy announced Friday. Most of the cadets caught cheating in May had enrolled in the program, known as the Willful Admission Process. A review of the program found that it failed to meet its goal of increasing self-reporting and decreasing toleration. Its end means expulsion will be a potential punishment for any honor violation. In all, 52 of the 73 cadets accused of cheating on a calculus final exam in May were athletes, many of them on the football team, according to figures released to USA TODAY by West Point. I guess this shows you don't always get off scott free being an athlete. | |||
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And now they can play a whole 'nother year of football! Gonna be useful having a few dozen players with an extra year of experience on the field, eh? Navy will now have to catch some of their players cheating too, so they can hold them back a year and stay competitive.  | |||
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