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Glorious SPAM! |
I honestly can't fathom peace on the Korean peninsula. I just cant. Imagine being able to bring all of our troops home? If this works out, even partially, it will be the greatest feat of diplomacy in decades. Decades. Not since the wall fell has something this monumental happened. Trump, like Reagan, knows that when you negotiate from a posture of strength you are much more likely to get what you want. And Pompeo...I think he will be a PERFECT Secretary of State. I had never heard of him until Trump tapped him for CIA director. I think not being a career diplomat is a bonus. He strikes me as a very intelligent man who truely puts his country first. I actually feel proud having him represent our nation to the world. Haven't felt that in a long time. It's been a year, but the right people are being put in the right places to help make this country succeed. Awesome. | |||
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| Peace through superior firepower  |
Peace through strength. Peace through superior firepower. Such a violent and toxically masculine posture would never occur to the incompetent radical, which is odd, what with him being the smartest man on the planet and all. It's a puzzler Reminds me of this:  ____________________________________________________ "I am your retribution." - Donald Trump, speech at CPAC, March 4, 2023 | |||
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| It's not you, it's me.  |
And just like that, America is feared again. | |||
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| I believe in the principle of Due Process  |
Most likely, it seems to me, was China going along with sanctions, cutting off all sorts of economic aid, money, etc. It gets awfully cold, and even colder when you have no friends. It has been Trump in incentivizing the Chicoms to go along. They have economic interests of their own, and a weak economy to feed all their billions of people. This is how big time real estate seemed to work. You want something someone else has so you identify all the strengths and weaknesses of that someone and figure out how to get pressure on them to do what you want/need. A big loan coming due, an interest payment, a lease renewal, more tenants, an antsy partner, an onerous contractual requirement, permits for a road, whatever, and you grind away, real friendly like, to see if you can make them say “Uncle.” I say this as a survivor of the world’s hardest real estate deal, where it took 3 or 4 years to close, hundreds of negotiations and renegotiations, mostly because the seller didn’t own the property, and the buyer had no money. It was tough, delicate and complicated! I believe Trump has been in this game on both sides for decades and seems to have the hang of it. Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | |||
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| Mired in the Fog of Lucidity |
Perhaps this is the hidden motivating factor for the sudden about face by Rocket Man? Not certain of the source on this. North Korea’s nuclear test site has collapsed ... and that may be why Kim Jong-un suspended tests http://www.scmp.com/news/china...y-be-why-kim-jong-un | |||
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| stupid beyond all belief  |
^^^See post #2 we done blowed it up amd he dont know how. What man is a man that does not make the world better. -Balian of Ibelin Only boring people get bored. - Ruth Burke | |||
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goodheart |
Time for a change: North Korea sets their clocks to align with South Korea's time zone as a "step toward reunification" or something. Link _________________________ “Remember, remember the fifth of November!" | |||
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| Gracie Allen is my personal savior! |
^^^ "Meanwhile, China will send the government's top diplomat, Wang Yi, to visit North Korea on Wednsday and Thursday this week, the foreign ministry said on Monday." Interesting. More news by next weekend, perhaps? Or just momentum building towards the summit? Either way, no one seems to be in a hurry to bring the current South Korean President more directly into the process, so I'm still guessing that Moon's phasing in and out just doesn't mean all that much. | |||
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Corgis Rock |
The fall of North Korea will be confirmed when the first MacDonalds opens in Pyongyang. We may even lose Kim to a heart attack. “ The work of destruction is quick, easy and exhilarating; the work of creation is slow, laborious and dull. | |||
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From what I've heard from several groups doing work there, there is a strong possibility that there actually may be an internal uprising. The rest of the world is focused on WMDs, but the the people themselves are getting fed up. Millions of their family are in concentration camps, which is not being discussed. If the Noble Peace prize wasn't so tarnished (and knowing that stupid committee they will probably give it to the fat boy), it truly should be going to Trump because he is the one emboldening the people. How refreshing would it be to actually see them fight for their own freedom, instead of send Americans. _____________________________ Off finding Galt's Gulch | |||
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I fully understand this sentiment, and had these same thoughts even 3 months ago. (Quite honestly, up til then, I could have cared less about the entire peninsula). Recently however, I've been neck deep in it and it's been eyeopening on all levels. 1) The entire S. Korean government is compromised by the North and extremely weak. The current president was a student activist for the North and his chief of staff was on their payroll(as their lawyer) and sent to prison. From an American perspective, this would be considered treason at the highest of levels. And it goes much deeper than that. This is leftist thinking and acting at its worst. Also, nearly 100% of their presidents have been imprisoned. 2) The ROK government is so far compromised that they should be held accountable for every person in concentration camps. For years, they have denied, covered up and minimized severe human rights abuses. I suppose this is what "peace at any price" gets you. 3) When the North says "we will do X", I've learned they mean all Koreans will do it. By "all Koreans" they mean every Korean in the world belongs to them. Denuclearization isn't them, it is the South and every country with Koreans. When they say they want to unify, it isn't to join the South, it's the South joining them. 4) China's influence isn't as strong as it seems. In fact, China has really cut off the border and it is seriously impacting the market there. Hearing about the actual relationship between these two was a real education. 5) The Trump effect is creating a unique environment in the general population. I think we will continue to see some things none of us would expect in our lifetime this year. _____________________________ Off finding Galt's Gulch | |||
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| I believe in the principle of Due Process |
Three American citizens detained in a North Korean prison camp for years have reportedly been transferred to a hospital in Pyongyang ahead of their likely release from the country, according to a South Korean activist with contacts in the North who spoke to Agence France-Presse. U.S. officials have long advocated for the release of Kim Hak-song, Kim Sang-duk and Kim Dong-chul, and then-CIA director Mike Pompeo, who has since been confirmed as Secretary of State, discussed their release when he met with Kim last month, according to the Wall Street Journal. The prisoners “are staying in a hotel on the outskirts of Pyongyang,” Choi Sung-ryong, the South Korean activist, told AFP. He added that though they are being held separately, they are “going on tours, receiving medical treatment, and eating good food.” The news comes ahead of a historic face-to-face meeting between North Korean leader Kim Jong-un and President Trump, which is set to take place in the coming weeks. The last American released from North Korean detention, Otto Warmbier, died from injuries he sustained while in prison shortly after arriving home. North Korean authorities claim the 22 year-old University of Virginia student slipped into a coma after contracting botulism, but doctors found that the coma was induced by a severe beating. Warmbier’s parents announced that they are suing the North Korean government for wrongful death last week. Link Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | |||
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| Gracie Allen is my personal savior! |
How do you say "trust, but verify" in Korean?
http://www.yahoo.com/news/sout...dless-065208505.html It looks like President Moon figures he can talk peace with Li'l Kim as long as he's got tens of thousands of American troops on tap. The interesting unknown here is whether Kim will push to get them out of Korea. If so, then he's still worried about hanging on to power. If not, then I guess he must figure that the Communist Chinese are well and truly sick of his shit. | |||
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| Gracie Allen is my personal savior! |
Tea leaves, for anyone who can read them for the rest of us.
Some editing. Original text at http://www.thehill.com/policy/...y-officials-replaced | |||
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Coin Sniper |
Were their pink slips delivered by 20mm? Pronoun: His Royal Highness and benevolent Majesty of all he surveys 343 - Never Forget Its better to be Pavlov's dog than Schrodinger's cat There are three types of mistakes; Those you learn from, those you suffer from, and those you don't survive. | |||
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| Unapologetic Old School Curmudgeon  |
This needs to be seriously pounded into the heads of everyone by the GOP. The Dems had nothing, no plan, not even the idea that there could be a plan. They literally just gave up and said, fuck it I guess. Trump needs to be tweeting this out constantly. Don't weep for the stupid, or you will be crying all day | |||
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| Gracie Allen is my personal savior! |
Eh, that's the only potential aggravation out there now - Trump can rub it in the Dems' faces, but Li'l Kim will insist on interpreting what Trump says or does as a victory dance over North Korea's carcass. First get the deal, then celebrate like you just don't care as we go into the midterm elections or get warmed up for 2020. | |||
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| Peace through superior firepower |
It seems to me that this is about the worst possible time for this kind of rhetoric: Trump forced Kim Jong Un to 'beg' for meeting, Giuliani says | |||
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Exactly what I was thinking. Giuliani has lost his ever loving mind. He seems to be doing everything he can to piss on President Trump's shoes. I don't understand why some people can't just keep their mouths shut. Its like he has a case of Tourette's syndrome. He needs a muzzle. It's all about clean living. Just do the right thing, and karma will help with the rest. | |||
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| Go ahead punk, make my day |
Is Giuliani off his meds or something? Maybe it's part of the plan, but damn that guy just seems to be running his soup cooler on every show on the planet. | |||
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