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Chilihead and Barbeque Aficionado |
All those visits by a Dennis Rodman are now bearing fruit Not. My hat’s off to President Trump and his team for pushing the right buttons. Truly a historic day. _________________________ 2nd Amendment Defender The Second Amendment is not about hunting or sport shooting. | |||
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Spectemur Agendo |
The new South Korean president was eager to make peace attempts with the North, unlike his predecessors. Remember, their last president was impeached last year and recently found guilty of corruption, so the people were ready for changes. I'm sure not everyone will like the outcome, but that's true of pretty much anything. I'm mostly excited at the prospect of families potentially being reunited who haven't seen each other in decades. SIGforum's triple minority "It can't rain all the time." - Eric Draven | |||
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I’ll believe it when the DMZ is completely destroyed and people can freely move across the boarder. ---------- “Nobody can ever take your integrity away from you. Only you can give up your integrity.” H. Norman Schwarzkopf | |||
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From what I read somewhere, the Russians during the Cold War thought the same about Reagan and were very afraid of him. Gotta love Reagan and Trump !!! God Bless them both !!! "Always legally conceal carry. At the right place and time, one person can make a positive difference." | |||
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goodheart |
A note of caution from the WSJ:
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Gracie Allen is my personal savior! |
Well, that may tell you what alternatives Moon has in mind. This way he can sit back, let Trump do all the heavy lifting in wringing concessions from Li'l Kim, and snipe from the sidelines whenever he decides he wants a better deal, a better public image among his supporters, or just plain a little some-some. I think there may be several reasons to wait before worrying that Moon's posturing will really make much difference. Historically the Kims have refused to negotiate with any representatives of South Korea on the theory that South Korea is just a puppet state of the United States - which, incidentally, means that North Korea is, by the Kims' estimation, the only "real" Korean government that exists. If the real negotiations wind up being directly between Trump and Li'l Kim and the negotiations produce a deal, then that will just prove that the Kims were right all along. Li'l Kim may try to use Moon's diffidence as leverage for bargaining, but he may also be looking to the U.S. for a guaranteed exit strategy should the Koreas be formally reunited. And then there's China - one way or another, Koreans have to see their freedom from foreign dominance as being shored up by being able to play China and the U.S. off against each other for many years to come. In the end, who knows? Li'l Kim might wind just up being excited enough about negotiating with Trump to ignore Moon at the drop of a hat. | |||
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Yeah Trump is soo much like clinton and bush that this isn't a worry. Hopefully President Tump won't eat the sushi and repeat the mistake of Herbert Walker Bush. ____________________________________________________ The butcher with the sharpest knife has the warmest heart. | |||
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Itchy was taken |
I don't buy it. _________________ This space left intentionally blank. | |||
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Corgis Rock |
The DMZ is an incredibly diverse nature preserve. There may even be tigers. Both Kim and Moon mentioned keeping the DMZ as a park. https://www.smithsonianmag.com...-location-180967842/ “ The work of destruction is quick, easy and exhilarating; the work of creation is slow, laborious and dull. | |||
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For all of you wringing your hands and naysaying about what will (or won't) come out of this, you're missing the point completely. President Trump has managed to do what 40 years and numerous presidents could not do, and that's get the two sides together on South Korean soil to discuss options. Our president has already won on this one. Anything that comes of negotiations between the two Korean leaders is just icing on an already delicious dessert. Let's let the rest of this play out a bit more before we condemn it to failure shall we. ----------------------------- Guns are awesome because they shoot solid lead freedom. Every man should have several guns. And several dogs, because a man with a cat is a woman. Kurt Schlichter | |||
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Non-Miscreant |
Not to mention land mines. I'd guess any tigers or other mammals would have stomped on one by now. Unless they have.l Over in Indiana we had a little "Nature preserve" called Jefferson Proving Grounds. Its where they tested heavy artillery to see of the new shells would go bang if they should. It wasn't an unpleasant thing to hear the far off shelling. Because we kind of knew it was ours. But even after it was shut down, on occasion the locals would hear a boom. No idea if it was an unlucky critter, or a brass or copper scavenger meeting their makers. Or just the soil shifting and setting one off. It was also rumored that a shell that didn't go off might have embedded itself 10 or more feet underground. I would think a nature preserve is a good answer if you don't mind losing some of the nature from time to time. And you trust the NKs from not shooting when they hear a blast. Unhappy ammo seeker | |||
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I love all the NORK experts on here. Pretty sure they are also the same ones who were positive there was no way Trump could win. All the polls, algorithms, thinks tanks, and talking heads never predicted his win. Neither did any of the media overlords. Be careful of you "think" is reality, and mindful of where those sources originated. You know nothing, Jon Snow _____________________________ Off finding Galt's Gulch | |||
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Glorious SPAM! |
The picture of 'Lil Kim and Pompeo blew me away. As someone else said the closest thing you can compare this too is Nixon opening up China. Amazing. In my lifetime I never though I would see the North talking to the South. Simply amazing. | |||
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Don't Panic |
It's looking good, IMO. It's not hard to figure something fundamentally changed recently to make Kim more tractable. My guess is he looked at the cards in his hand and decided to make the most of them. China says his nuke test facility got wrecked - maybe that is part of it. Certainly China's (partial) support of sanctions is another part. But, yeah, having a non-waffler in the White House is the biggest change. If we get a deal done the South is happy with - and that should be a pretty low bar, given their situation - it should save us a great deal of current expenditures as well as take some risk off the table. For that matter, thanks to the prior Administrations, we don't really have a lot of ground forces any more so it would be good to get our troops back off the Asia mainland to be potentially available for other stuff. Though, he's still the crazy who had his own relatives assassinated, torn apart by dogs, shot by AA guns, etc. and kept people in gulags. His finding the need for realpolitik all of a sudden doesn't make him a teddy bear. I'm just wondering what Kim thinks is in it for himself, personally. My guess is he'd want a deal where he keeps money and prestige somehow in exchange for giving up power. The North has been trained for a couple generations to think of his family as godlike, but then those 'gods' have been vicious and capricious. I don't know whether a reunited Korea would want him around to smooth over any issues as a sort of PR mouthpiece, or whether he'd need protection from his 'adoring' people after giving up power, to keep them from lynching him. Interesting times, though, interesting times. | |||
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Page late and a dollar short |
A lot of things here, I think it is more the US vs. China. Maybe China had a slight "hand" in the accident at NK's nuke plant. Only the Chinese know for sure. I think they were tired of Kim's rhetoric. Another scenario, NK goes to China asking for help in taking on SK and the US. China says "Do what you must, but do it on your own, we're staying out of this." Kim realizes between the loss of his development facility and no assistance from China it is a losing proposition. China takes a pick and choose your battle stance on going toe to toe with the US over NK. Figures with the amount of trade with the US together with our freezing of Chinese assets if a conflict breaks out it would harm them economically. Or lastly, Kim has been outcrazied by Trump. Take your pick...... -------------------------------------—————— ————————--Ignorance is a powerful tool if applied at the right time, even, usually, surpassing knowledge(E.J.Potter, A.K.A. The Michigan Madman) | |||
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delicately calloused |
Remember when the Berlin wall came down? Remember how it happened? Previously people were slaughtered for approaching the wall. Then little by little brave and desperate souls attacked it, doing small damage at first. But then the tide turned and more people rebelled as the political environment changed due in no small measure to Reagan ignoring tradition and accepted decorum and challenging the commies to tear the wall down. Shortly thereafter, the flood gates opened until finally whole sections of wall tumbled down and the oppressed tasted liberty again. Remember watching that? This NORK movement has the same sense to me. I am cautiously optimistic and grateful to President Trump for doing the right thing in the face of amplified opposition. You’re a lying dog-faced pony soldier | |||
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God will always provide |
+++LINK+++ Kim Promises to Shut Main Nuclear Test Site in May — and Let Foreign Media Watch By Kanga Kong and Jennifer Epstein April 29, 2018, 12:04 AM EDT “I don’t think he’s playing,” Trump said Friday of Kim, who earlier agreed with Moon to work toward formally ending their decades-long war and pursue the “complete denuclearization” of the Korean Peninsula. | |||
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God will always provide |
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Peace through superior firepower |
Yeah, it looks like the immense pressure the Krimson Kenyan put on NK is finally showing its effects. Of course now that Donald Trump is in office, he'll take credit for it, but we all know this is due to Obama's brilliant foreign policy. I mean, the man has a Nobel Prize, does he not? Because of the apparent delay, it only looks like Donald Trump has accomplished things beyond the wildest dreams of the Obama administration and it only looks like Barack Obama is nothing more than a posturing pseudo-intellectual who couldn't quell an argument between old ladies at a quilting bee. | |||
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4-H Shooting Sports Instructor |
I have a feeling Mike Pompeo Showed Kim... some video of the missiles that were just delivered to Syria. The ones the Russians said they would shoot down. Kim has been dealing with Russia and China.. and I am sure they both told him they could protect him against our missiles, and he wet his pants just a little. Pompeo probably said there are Cruise missiles with his name on them and it was time to listen. _______________________________ 'The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but > because he loves what is behind him.' G. K. Chesterton NRA Endowment Life member NRA Pistol instructor...and Range Safety instructor Women On Target Instructor. | |||
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