The heart of the problem still lies with the individual.

Failure to prosecute, light or reduced sentences, soft on crime policies all multiply the problems leading to deterioration of cities such as Minneapolis and Chicago.

Cars, fertilizer, fuel all can be just as, if not more dangerous than this “Glock Switch” when utilized for destruction and carnage.

Now a Glock G18 or G18C, just as these switches have no practical purpose in my opinion.
1200 or more rounds a minute from a pistol is ridiculous and impractical even for Police or Military applications.

Most legal owners of transferable M11 & M10’s with a rate of fire of ~1200 rds/min. will slow the rate of fire down to 600 - 750 range.
Anything faster is just wasting ammo.

I imagine Glock makes the G18 & G18C just for FFL SOT Demo’s and Police departments to have a giggle.

Then again, that goes to show that it’s the illicit use of an object where the problem comes about.
Police shooting a G18 or one of these switches at their shooting range is only a problem in regards to wasting taxpayer money with ammo at a rate of fire with no practical purpose.

Here the problem is illegal manufacturing of a machine gun and it’s intent for illicit purposes which is exacerbated by ease in which criminals can obtain the device.

In no way would I endorse manufacture or possession of this switch, just trying to make the point that the heart of the problem remains as the evil in man’s heart and not any device.

As we look at recent events in Ukraine, one can see that legal possession of automatic weapons for the citizenry can be in fact beneficial.
Yet, this switch or the G18 still would have no practical/legitimate purpose that I can think of.

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No shit!

Manufactured where?

Any machinist worth his salt and a Bridgeport can make them. Drop in auto sears for ARs as well. I for one could have made a "switch" after my freshman year of Engineering School.

Check out any of the Chicago “drill” rap videos. Switches everywhere. Nobody seems to care.

We've seized several over the last few months. I can assure you that the Feds VIGOROUSLY prosecute these cases. They have no sense of humor whatsoever where illegal machine guns are concerned.

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Originally posted by roarindan:
Simply for S&G , I googled "glock switch". Sure enough their listed for $250. Upon further checking I see the penalty is up too 15 yrs in the fed. pen and $250,000 fine !!!!

It seems crazy that this would just be up online. I'd think that if it was real, the feds would shut them down quickly. Wonder if it is the feds trolling for morons?

Ok, I seem to be out on my own again on this story, but my primary interest is how these things work. Can anyone explain the function?

Don't know how they mechanically function, but when this first came up decades ago, it was a piece of "tin foil" used to activate it. There was a story about how it got accidentally inserted and caused the problem.

Apparently folks were carrying Glocks in gym bags or purses then and created situations where uncommanded discharges would occur.

The sale of a few full auto handguns occurs in Europe to certain small unit LEO's/Mil and usually they are also equipped with a front hand grip and often a shoulder stock. Those go back quite a way, IIRC one is a legal C&R altho not full auto. In application it's a limited niche. Full auto isn't even commonly used with the M16/M4 as the ROE may not allow hosing down a street full of civilians with nearly uncontrolled fire. Pistols have a high cyclic rate and they can empty a mag quickly, the recoil will rotate the barrel up and back. In one tragic incident a minor was allowed to shoot a full auto short weapon and put the last round thru his skull.

It takes a lot more training and a real need, there aren't thousands in Border Guard or special escort units. Most full auto rifles are hard to control, hence the use of bipods and the prone position for most of their employment. The Army restricted that feature on the M16 for some time with the 3 shot trigger, which wasn't much appreciated.

If you've fired them and later in life want to do it again there are some rental ranges to go to - Vegas has a few - and the cost of ammo is included in the three figure fees. One thing that was usually mentioned about full auto in the service was that those who indulged were usually the first out of the fight. They would burn up their ammo then have nothing for the rest of the 30 minute conflict. Field tactics are to provoke the full auto weapons to fire to locate them and then you can put mortar or artillery on them. Nobody needs to know where those positions are until they approach the final line of fire. They can find out then.

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Originally posted by Tirod:
Don't know how they mechanically function, but when this first came up decades ago, it was a piece of "tin foil" used to activate it. There was a story about how it got accidentally inserted and caused the problem.

Apparently folks were carrying Glocks in gym bags or purses then and created situations where uncommanded discharges would occur.

Yeah? Show us some links.

Looking at it, I'd assume when the slide closes that little wedge hits the sear or connector tripping it.

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Originally posted by Tirod:
Don't know how they mechanically function, but when this first came up decades ago, it was a piece of "tin foil" used to activate it. There was a story about how it got accidentally inserted and caused the problem.

Apparently folks were carrying Glocks in gym bags or purses then and created situations where uncommanded discharges would occur.

It was a JussieFruit® rapper, wasn't it.

I can see why the Chicoms would want to flood the market with these devices to create chaos, like they are doing with fentanyl

Used to live a mile and half from the gun range in the Houston news vid...

They first got wide distribution when Wish started shipping to the US. After that some stateside machine shops sold 80% Glock switches for a couple years before that was shut down.

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Originally posted by Voshterkoff:
They first got wide distribution when Wish started shipping to the US.

What's "Wish"?

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After that some stateside machine shops sold 80% Glock switches for a couple years before that was shut down.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
No shit!

Manufactured where?

Mine were made by Hard Times Armory in Georgia.

A Class 2 Manufacturer can make and register as many (machineguns) as they want. Transferring them out is limited to a handful of circumstances, many of which require a demo letter from a law enforcement agency. An exception is if the manufacturer is going to drop their SOT, which is how I got mine. Here's a current Gunbroker listing for one: https://www.gunbroker.com/item/925970666. Note that they are "no law letter" and that the seller has 10+ at a BIN of $549.99. This would be an easy way for a guy giving up his SOT to make a lot of cash relatively quickly. Same with drilling autosear holes in Anderson lowers, modifying HK trigger packs, etc. Edit: I looked at the Gunbroker listing and they're actually doing it a little differently, but you get the idea.

They're neat toys, and a lot of folks are surprised that they're relatively controllable if you know it's coming. The cyclic rate is insanely high. You can see some good examples of this in some of Aaron Cowan's videos (he has a Glock autosear as well).

The question as to how it works, is the long wedge shaped part of the “switch” trips the sear on the forward motion of the slide, causing the firing pin to be released until the A. Magazine guns empty, or B. The shooter releases the trigger.

I haven’t been able to find an animation online. But I’ve studied a G18 when my friend the FFL had one.

I was just watching a Youtube news video of the incident in Houston that resulted in an officer's death. They claimed that the switch was 3D-printed by the killer.

Talk about leading a sheltered life or needing to get out more, until this thread yesterday I had no idea that such devices even existed, much less that they were so common. I suppose it’s just another demonstration of how the national BS media pays attention to criminal firearms use based on who the most common perpetrators are.

I have only a vague understanding of how the devices work, so I’m curious whether something similar would be possible with other handguns like the SIG P320.

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Originally posted by 4ftty4:
Check out any of the Chicago “drill” rap videos. Switches everywhere. Nobody seems to care.

We sure the hell cared when some asshole was letting loose rounds at the cops on the car jacking task force last week!

There's A BUNCH of them on the South Side!

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Originally posted by parabellum:
My advice is to not perform searches for these gadgets.

You can preform a Google search, no problems.
See how things work, availability, price...

***HOWEVER***
When you click on the "Buy Now" button after you enter some credit card info... Well, that's when the problems arise.

(Flash bang in 3...2...1...)

US companies, probably eventually. Shipped direct from China, probably not.