Sacramento native here. Sad to see it not included in New California.

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Originally posted by qxsoup:
Sacramento native here. Sad to see it not included in New California.

? Did you look at the map? Sac Co. is apart of New California. Old Cali would be Marin Co. South to LA Co.

Unfortunately, Monterey, San Luis and Santa Barbara Counties which were solidly purple during the 90's have leaned blue the last 3-elections. Wouldn't take many conservatives to move-in there to re-tilt those counties towards red.

Splitting CA will never happen.

Never happen.

Jefferson State, or what not, the powers that be (who happen to be all commie Democrats) will continue to rape the state for its political gain. And it has nothing to do with those who disagree with CA politics.

Only way it will happen is an armed revolution. And it will never come to that in CA.

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Originally posted by Graniteguy:

If we got enough people to push hard enough - couldn't we just break that off altogether and float it 500 miles to the southeast?

Go West and extend Hawaii some more?

This is a great idea, but the elephant in the living room is California's crushing debt. The left will want the new state to take their "fair share" of the debt.

Arguing about what that is shouldn't take more than two or three generations. Better off praying for the San Andreas fault to launch the coast into 500 feet of ocean.

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This is a great idea, but the elephant in the living room is California's crushing debt. The left will want the new state to take their "fair share" of the debt.

I don't know about that. Seems to me that most of the infrastructure and services would have been provided in the area that's being seceded from. And then you throw in the fact that what's left (nyerk, nyerk) will be left with the overwhelming majority of rich people in California now, and simple equity should take a fair amount of what's divided off of the table.

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Originally posted by Il Cattivo:

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This is a great idea, but the elephant in the living room is California's crushing debt. The left will want the new state to take their "fair share" of the debt.

I don't know about that. Seems to me that most of the infrastructure and services would have been provided in the area that's being seceded from. And then you throw in the fact that what's left (nyerk, nyerk) will be left with the overwhelming majority of rich people in California now, and simple equity should take a fair amount of what's divided off of the table.

...and that is where the argument begins. Libs will counter with the idea that the debt should be divided equally per each square mile of land. Or some such bullshit.

You are looking at "highly principled people". Until they figure out how to cut themselves a break...then anything is acceptable.

Both new states would be paying it through tax revenues or through bonds secured by tax revenues. Neither side can get away from that, and neither side can do anything about it. Those with the tax base and the taste for Cadillac living will simply have to pay for the Cadillac living themselves in the future. There's no reason to think that isn't an equitable division of past debt as well.

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Originally posted by Il Cattivo:
Those with the tax base and the taste for Cadillac living will simply have to pay for the Cadillac living themselves in the future. There's no reason to think that isn't an equitable division of past debt as well.

You realize that that the lib part is the likes of Pelosi and Finestein. I don't remember ever hearing either one use the word "equitable".

That said, I don't have a dog in this fight, wouldn't go to California on a bet and have NO respect for the clowns who run that asylum.

Understood. Think of various forms of equity as being ego boosters for a lot of Californians. They've been conditioned to think that way - "hey, the state's giving more money to poor people, so I'm a good person just by living here!". That's been going on for so long that a PR campaign run by the seceders might actually be somewhat effective.

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Originally posted by corsair:

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Originally posted by qxsoup:
Sacramento native here. Sad to see it not included in New California.

? Did you look at the map? Sac Co. is apart of New California. Old Cali would be Marin Co. South to LA Co.

Unfortunately, Monterey, San Luis and Santa Barbara Counties which were solidly purple during the 90's have leaned blue the last 3-elections. Wouldn't take many conservatives to move-in there to re-tilt those counties towards red.

The map that the New Californians have been circulating has the counties in the I-80 corridor east to and including Sacramento County going to the libs. Interesting that San Diego is part of the separatist's side. I suppose the USN presence may have something to do with that. However fat chance of San Jose and Silicon Valley going rogue. Way too many libs in the young working end of the tech sector.

I would love for this to happen, but I certainly won't hold my breath waiting for it to become reality. Not likely in my lifetime, but this would probably come to fruition AFTER the San Andreas goes postal and breaks Commiefornia into its own version of Cuba, only without the superb cigar tobacco and a hella lot newer expensive cars.

EDIT: WA State could use a similar purge. But that would probably take that impending subduction zone shaker as well before such wishful thinking notions happen.

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Originally posted by soggy_spinout:

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Originally posted by corsair:

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Originally posted by qxsoup:
Sacramento native here. Sad to see it not included in New California.

? Did you look at the map? Sac Co. is apart of New California. Old Cali would be Marin Co. South to LA Co.

Unfortunately, Monterey, San Luis and Santa Barbara Counties which were solidly purple during the 90's have leaned blue the last 3-elections. Wouldn't take many conservatives to move-in there to re-tilt those counties towards red.

The map that the New Californians have been circulating has the counties in the I-80 corridor east to and including Sacramento County going to the libs. Interesting that San Diego is part of the separatist's side. I suppose the USN presence may have something to do with that. However fat chance of San Jose and Silicon Valley going rogue. Way too many libs in the young working end of the tech sector.

I would love for this to happen, but I certainly won't hold my breath waiting for it to become reality. Not likely in my lifetime, but this would probably come to fruition AFTER the San Andreas goes postal and breaks Commiefornia into its own version of Cuba, only without the superb cigar tobacco and a hella lot newer expensive cars.

EDIT: WA State could use a similar purge. But that would probably take that impending subduction zone shaker as well before such wishful thinking notions happen.

Ok, got it, correct map
https://www.usatoday.com/story...st-state/1036681001/
So, they'll give-up Napa, Solano and Sacramento Co but, leave Sonoma and Contra Costa Co

New California will have all the water, most mineral/timber resources and most agriculture, while the only ports will be San Diego and Eureka.
Old Cali will have Silicon Valley, Hollywood, most of the oil and wine regions and all the major ports.

The official map that these people put out the other day has Sacramento county in "Old California".

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Originally posted by corsair:

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Originally posted by qxsoup:
Sacramento native here. Sad to see it not included in New California.

? Did you look at the map? Sac Co. is apart of New California. Old Cali would be Marin Co. South to LA Co.

Unfortunately, Monterey, San Luis and Santa Barbara Counties which were solidly purple during the 90's have leaned blue the last 3-elections. Wouldn't take many conservatives to move-in there to re-tilt those counties towards red.

This talk of California succession or division is a waste of electrons. What would California’s share of the Federal debt be, four TRILLON dollars? That’s just the on book debt, ignoring future obligations like retirements.

See the New California Declaration of Independence Below:



Affirmation of Allegiance to the United
States of America and Justification for the Formation of the
State of New California
January 15, 2018


With faith, diligence, and our sacred honor, we do hereby declare our Unity with Natural Law and the United States of America’s Constitution. We stand firm in our pledge to maintain and support the freedoms of the people of our Nation and New California at all times, at home and abroad. With God as our witness, honoring the foundational principles, we take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion, to stand together as free citizens of New California, to be a sovereign state of that nation which we hold dear, the United States of America.


As we seek to remain a member of our Union, in order to form a more perfect Union we resolve to create the Free, Sovereign and Independent State of New California due to the past and current government of California having failed in their oath of office, obligations, and responsibilities as representatives of “We the People” to provide a republican form of government as guaranteed by Article IV, Section 4 of the United States Constitution.

Declaration of Independence
Intention to form the
State of New California
January 15, 2018


We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, Property and the pursuit of happiness.

To secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.
When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them they should declare the causes which cause them to separate.

Whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such design that is most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience has shown mankind is more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.

However when a long train of abuses and acts to seize and hold the people’s power without legal authority and pursuing invariably the same
Object that clearly demonstrates a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

The history of the present Governor and Government of California is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of a Tyranny over the Counties of New California and the State of California.

Whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to seek a constitutional remedy to the abuse of powers.
We the people of the Counties of New California solemnly publish and declare these counties are, and of Right ought to be, a free and Independent State, that we strive to be free from the State of California, and that as a Free and Independent State, have full power to establish and maintain law and order, to promote general prosperity, and to do all other acts and things, which an Independent New California State may rightfully do.
We, therefore, the Representatives of the Counties of New California, appeal to the California Legislature and the Federal Congress to pass resolutions to create the State of New California.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our Sacred Honor.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news...st-step-towards-51st

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Originally posted by corsair:
New California will have all the water, most mineral/timber resources and most agriculture, while the only ports will be San Diego and Eureka.
Old Cali will have Silicon Valley, Hollywood, most of the oil and wine regions and all the major ports.

People in both the silicon and movie industries have been known to either do buisness or set up buisnesses in lower-tax states like Texas, so I wouldn't be at all surprised to see them set up buisnesses just over the (new) state border for tax purposes alone. There's only so much you can do with oil, and only so much the part of California that's left will do with oil. The wine industry can be expanded; Napa isn't the only place wine is grown in California now.

The fun part is going to be ports, and there are two ways to look at that. First, existing ports still need buisness and the part of California that's left cannot discriminate against shipments originating out-of-state. Second, ports in both LA and SeaTac are notoriously slow, expensive and prone to both theft and labor BS, so there will be incentives for smaller ports to operate, new ports to be put in place, and existing ports to compete with each other for New California's buisness.

Heck, the biggest thing far NE New California would have going for it is a lovely little road into Oregon, Idaho and Nevada - any of which can provide transshipment points.

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New California will have all the water, most mineral/timber resources and most agriculture, while the only ports will be San Diego and Eureka.
Old Cali will have Silicon Valley, Hollywood, most of the oil and wine regions and all the major ports.

If there's one thing that Silicon Valley and Hollywood have an abundance of, it's hubris. They think they are better than everyone else. Money is how they keep score.

Whatever resources they lack, they believe they will be able to buy. They think the money will never run out.

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Originally posted by corsair:
Ok, got it, correct map
https://www.usatoday.com/story...st-state/1036681001/
So, they'll give-up Napa, Solano and Sacramento Co but, leave Sonoma and Contra Costa Co

New California will have all the water, most mineral/timber resources and most agriculture, while the only ports will be San Diego and Eureka.

Old Cali will have Silicon Valley, Hollywood, most of the oil and wine regions and all the major ports.

New Cali will have the Emerald Triangle, and all the pot growth areas, and the ag resources to grow the fabled weed.

So...their "Declaration of Independence" is essentially a plagiarized version of the U.S. Declaration of Independence?

They're not off to a good start.

^^^ You do realize that most new states' constitutions and other documents are based off of the federal versions, and that the federal declaration and constitution drew heavily from sources in the first thirteen states, right? It's not only an easy place to start, it helps create the right impression in the rest of the country.