I've watched this thread go on for three pages, and while I understand the OP's predicament, it truly is a predicament. And then there's reality....

FLAME SUIT ON - I am ***NOT*** defending the tenant here in any way shape or form. I don't know enough about the situation to defend or criticize.

There are tenant-landlord laws to be considered. And while there are certainly crappy tenants out there (hence the eviction process), at least some of these laws came into place because there are crappy landlords too.

OP lives in Oregon, where I'll assume (possibly wrongly) that as a liberal enclave, Oregon has laws that are skewed in favor of the tenant. This means that the landlord may have very limited options. He may not be able to evict because the neighbors feel he's creepy. He can't even evict if he doesn't like the way the tenant does - or doesn't - do dishes or clean the house. The tenant is just that - a tenant. He has the right to live his life the way he wants to (mostly). He's not a prisoner.

"Creepy" - that's not necessarily a crime. To the liberal elite of Oregon, gun owners are "creepy". So "creepy" isn't - and shouldn't - be a legitimate reason to evict, because "creepy" is in the eye of the beholder.

Then there is the HOA. The HOA should make it so no owner can rent ("sublet", as another poster said) his property??? Does that mean an investor can't go into a neighborhood to buy properties with the intent of renting them? How many of us here think HOAs are already overly restrictive? How many of us said we'd never live in an HOA controlled neighborhood? And if the HOA (or zoning board, or whatever) came out with a rule saying no renting, does that not constitute a "takings" without compensation?

I *AM* a landlord, so I know at least a little of what I speak. I have properties in SE New Mexico, and am looking (although not overly actively) for more. And have fortunately had good tenants so far.

Like I said, I am not defending the tenant. What I am defending is his right to live an unfettered life within the bounds of the law. And I'm trying to bring a bit of understanding to the landlord's quite real predicament as well.

Yes, sometimes neighbors suck. Yes, we all would like to live somewhere that we have clear, 1,000 yard fields of fire to any incoming visitors. But for most of us, that's not practical. Nor could the world survive a population density of 20 people per square mile. (Think of the economies of scale necessary to bring us frozen pizza and firearms with interchangeable parts.) Assholes are one of the trade-offs we make for modern civilization, unfortunately.

And yes, it's probably fun to think of doing the "Lincoln Lawyer" thing. But it's not the way a civilized society handles these things. Think about it - would you guys want these thugs at your door just because you make homemade sauerkraut regularly and it stinks up the neighborhood for a little while? I'm being flippant, I know, but where do you draw the line?

TO THE OP: I'm sorry you and your neighbors are going through this. I've never been that kind of neighbor. But I've had them.

^^^^^^^^^^
Pacific Heights was an entire movie about the liberal laws in San Francisco that allowed this sort of thing. Michael Keaton does a good job of playing the psychotic tenant.

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Figure out the middle steps.

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The HOA should make it so no owner can rent ("sublet", as another poster said) his property???

Yes, exactly this. Lessees are not as likely to be versed in, or give a rats ass about bylaws, nor are they likely to be part of the ‘hood per se. These weirdos are seemingly a perfect example. Guess what kind of problem we’ve never had in our neighborhood in the 15 years I’ve lived here? But I do agree with everyone that says to go after the property owner if he isn’t willing to rectify the lunatic situation.

I wonder if we could start legally classifying his actions as stalking, harassment or intimidation? I’m trying to find laws addressing this type of behavior.

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Originally posted by gearhounds:

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The HOA should make it so no owner can rent ("sublet", as another poster said) his property???

Yes, exactly this. Lessees are not as likely to be versed in, or give a rats ass about bylaws, nor are they likely to be part of the ‘hood per se. These weirdos are seemingly a perfect example. Guess what kind of problem we’ve never had in our neighborhood in the 15 years I’ve lived here? But I do agree with everyone that says to go after the property owner if he isn’t willing to rectify the lunatic situation.

And suppose you get a job transfer or lose your job and need to rent your own home for immediate income to pay the mortgage and cannot?

Is this the neighborhood we are talking about?
sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/320601935/m/4240040064

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Originally posted by benny6:
I wonder if we could start legally classifying his actions as stalking, harassment or intimidation? I’m trying to find laws addressing this type of behavior.

See:

Harassment:
https://www.oregonlaws.org/ors/166.065

Disorderly Conduct:
https://www.oregonlaws.org/ors/166.025

Intimidation isn't going to fly because it has a " because of the person’s perception of the other’s race, color, religion, sexual orientation, disability or national origin" element to it. Sounds like your guy does this to everyone: i.e. not discriminatory.

What county are you in?

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Originally posted by jimmy123x:

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Originally posted by gearhounds:

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The HOA should make it so no owner can rent ("sublet", as another poster said) his property???

Yes, exactly this. Lessees are not as likely to be versed in, or give a rats ass about bylaws, nor are they likely to be part of the ‘hood per se. These weirdos are seemingly a perfect example. Guess what kind of problem we’ve never had in our neighborhood in the 15 years I’ve lived here? But I do agree with everyone that says to go after the property owner if he isn’t willing to rectify the lunatic situation.

And suppose you get a job transfer or lose your job and need to rent your own home for immediate income to pay the mortgage and cannot?

Is this the neighborhood we are talking about?
sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/320601935/m/4240040064

I laugh every time I see that opening pic in the vid

In regards to the above scenario- If you lose your job, you find another double quick. Were it me, I’d push carts at Walmart to make my mortgage. And two different times I’ve taken jobs out of state and had to sell; it happens and isn’t exactly unforeseen. I kept a clean, well tended house, got them ready, and sold them.

I suppose the above scenario might be a more ticklish fix, but the owner is ultimately responsible for assuring the tenant isn’t a pack of toads or a potential hazard to the neighborhood. If they introduce any hoa violations, they should be on the sharp hook for it.

I think stalking might be made to fit, for him following the kids around... At least, enough to get a cop to arrest him.

https://www.oregonlaws.org/ors/163.732

Thanks for the above. He only acts this way with women and little kids. If another man is present, or his mom, he disappears.

Tony.

Have police looked into him? At my first apartment there was an elderly couple with an adult son who was not all there. One day he said something inappropriate to the son of another tenant (who was probably 11 or 12), police were called and it turned out he was a sex offender who didn't register. They moved out the next day.

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Originally posted by gearhounds:

Lessees are not as likely to be versed in, or give a rats ass about bylaws, nor are they likely to be part of the ‘hood per se.

Yup, we have one of those.

Our by-laws are very clear about prohibiting parked vehicles that have commercial markings. No problem for service calls, etc., but not for long-term parking.

There is a renter in the neighborhood who parks his truck on the street. Not sure whether it's painted, or a full-body vinyl wrap, but every square inch of that truck is a rolling advertisement for the roofing company that he works for (Roof Depot).

His neighbors have asked him politely, to please park the truck in the garage, or at least move it into the driveway instead of parking on the somewhat narrow street where it is a bit of a hazard. With kids playing, riding bicycles, skateboards, etc., the parked truck does not leave a lot of room to get by, and it is an eyesore. His response to the polite requests? "I can park wherever the fuck I want to. Watcha gonna do about it, motherfucker?"

I have contacted the ABSOLUTELY USELESS management company (Sentry Management) that is paid by our HOA. The response from our property manager: "He has to move it within 24 hours. Since he goes to work every morning, it is not there for more than 24 hours at a time, so he is in compliance."

That response is total bullshit for two reasons:

1. There is NOTHING about "24 hours" in the by-laws. Absolutely nothing. The by-laws state that a commercial vehicle may be parked there long enough to do the job. Example, if it's a lawn service, they can be there long enough to tend to the lawn and then move out. No overnight parking.
   
   
2. The truck is there from Friday afternoon to Monday morning, without moving, every weekend. Every single weekend. That's at least 60 hours.

I pointed both of these things out, to the so-called property manager at Sentry Management. Her response? Dead silence.

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Originally posted by V-Tail:

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Originally posted by gearhounds:

Lessees are not as likely to be versed in, or give a rats ass about bylaws, nor are they likely to be part of the ‘hood per se.

Yup, we have one of those.

Our by-laws are very clear about prohibiting parked vehicles that have commercial markings. No problem for service calls, etc., but not for long-term parking.

There is a renter in the neighborhood who parks his truck on the street. Not sure whether it's painted, or a full-body vinyl wrap, but every square inch of that truck is a rolling advertisement for the roofing company that he works for (Roof Depot).

His neighbors have asked him politely, to please park the truck in the garage, or at least move it into the driveway instead of parking on the somewhat narrow street where it is a bit of a hazard. With kids playing, riding bicycles, skateboards, etc., the parked truck does not leave a lot of room to get by, and it is an eyesore. His response to the polite requests? "I can park wherever the fuck I want to. Watcha gonna do about it, motherfucker?"

I have contacted the ABSOLUTELY USELESS management company (Sentry Management) that is paid by our HOA. The response from our property manager: "He has to move it within 24 hours. Since he goes to work every morning, it is not there for more than 24 hours at a time, so he is in compliance."

That response is total bullshit for two reasons:

1. There is NOTHING about "24 hours" in the by-laws. Absolutely nothing. The by-laws state that a commercial vehicle may be parked there long enough to do the job. Example, if it's a lawn service, they can be there long enough to tend to the lawn and then move out. No overnight parking.
   
   
2. The truck is there from Friday afternoon to Monday morning, without moving, every weekend. Every single weekend. That's at least 60 hours.

I pointed both of these things out, to the so-called property manager at Sentry Management. Her response? Dead silence.

Can you sue the HOA? Violation of contract terms?

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Originally posted by bcereuss:

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Originally posted by V-Tail:

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Originally posted by gearhounds:

Lessees are not as likely to be versed in, or give a rats ass about bylaws, nor are they likely to be part of the ‘hood per se.

Yup, we have one of those.

Our by-laws are very clear about prohibiting parked vehicles that have commercial markings. No problem for service calls, etc., but not for long-term parking.

There is a renter in the neighborhood who parks his truck on the street. Not sure whether it's painted, or a full-body vinyl wrap, but every square inch of that truck is a rolling advertisement for the roofing company that he works for (Roof Depot).

His neighbors have asked him politely, to please park the truck in the garage, or at least move it into the driveway instead of parking on the somewhat narrow street where it is a bit of a hazard. With kids playing, riding bicycles, skateboards, etc., the parked truck does not leave a lot of room to get by, and it is an eyesore. His response to the polite requests? "I can park wherever the fuck I want to. Watcha gonna do about it, motherfucker?"

I have contacted the ABSOLUTELY USELESS management company (Sentry Management) that is paid by our HOA. The response from our property manager: "He has to move it within 24 hours. Since he goes to work every morning, it is not there for more than 24 hours at a time, so he is in compliance."

That response is total bullshit for two reasons:

1. There is NOTHING about "24 hours" in the by-laws. Absolutely nothing. The by-laws state that a commercial vehicle may be parked there long enough to do the job. Example, if it's a lawn service, they can be there long enough to tend to the lawn and then move out. No overnight parking.
   
   
2. The truck is there from Friday afternoon to Monday morning, without moving, every weekend. Every single weekend. That's at least 60 hours.

I pointed both of these things out, to the so-called property manager at Sentry Management. Her response? Dead silence.

Can you sue the HOA? Violation of contract terms?

Probably, but they have a bigger budget for lawyers than I do. Not even sure who to sue, the HOA, or Sentry Management. Heck, if it comes to that, why not sue the miscreant renter directly? He is the one least likely to be able to afford a lawyer. Or maybe the owner of the house that he is renting. Now that I think about it, there are four parties who could be involved: the renter, the homeowner, the HOA, and the management company that is paid by the HOA to handle this stuff. Between them, they could probably have this tied up in court for the rest of my life (I'm 82).

Background check was run on the mom through Zillow as the renter, but not the son since he is not paying the bills. Landlord wouldn't give me the names of the occupants.

Since I filed a police report, I wonder if I can call the dispatch and follow up and see if they will give me a name of the person the deputy talked to.

I want to do a social media search on the guy. See if he has a Facebook account and what kind of stuff he's into.

I'm working with a couple of neighbors to install outside security cameras that will include the property in the camera FOV but will cover most of the houses on the block. Have them run on a 2 or 3-day loop and if an event happens, we can extract the event and report it to the HOA, landlord, and sheriff.

Tony.

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Originally posted by ScreamingCockatoo:

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Originally posted by maximus_flavius:
Buy a house in the country as far away from anyone else.

Problem solved.

Yep.
This is me.

And Me.

We have the same parking issue in my "hood" and our HOA is as ineffectual...tits on a boar hog. It is CLEARLY stated in our Rules and Regs that vehicles are to be parked in the 2-car garage. Problem is, some people choose to use half their garage as a storage shed and park the second car on the street (alley, really). Or they have a semi-adult child at home that drives and their 3rd vehicle is parked in the alley. The only ones that MIGHT get a pass from me are the vehicles that are physically too large to fit in the garage itself...what would one do in that circumstance?

It's one of the primary reasons I'm looking to move outta this f***ing place and get my own driveway. I moved out of an apartment complex to escape this EXACT scenario...

I think people are allowed to leave cars in their driveways all the time in my HOA, but not on the street. I swear, every day on nextdoor.com someone is complaining about their driveway-parked car having been ransacked. 99% of them leave their cars unlocked. And then every day someone posts footage from their Ring doorbell, asking if anyone recognizes the person trying to open the car door. I would think this property crime problem would be more effective than any HOA rule at getting people to park inside their garages. But it's not.

I noticed I haven’t seen the creepy guy’s car for about a week. I asked the Indian neighbor who has taken the brunt of the harassment if he moved and she gleefully reported that he moved to another town about 20 miles away, according to creepy guy’s mother.

We can all relax again. The Indian neighbor said they’ve got their peace and happiness back and try can live their lives normally again without fear.

Tony.

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Originally posted by V-Tail:

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Originally posted by gearhounds:

Lessees are not as likely to be versed in, or give a rats ass about bylaws, nor are they likely to be part of the ‘hood per se.

Yup, we have one of those.

Our by-laws are very clear about prohibiting parked vehicles that have commercial markings. No problem for service calls, etc., but not for long-term parking.

There is a renter in the neighborhood who parks his truck on the street. Not sure whether it's painted, or a full-body vinyl wrap, but every square inch of that truck is a rolling advertisement for the roofing company that he works for (Roof Depot).

His neighbors have asked him politely, to please park the truck in the garage, or at least move it into the driveway instead of parking on the somewhat narrow street where it is a bit of a hazard. With kids playing, riding bicycles, skateboards, etc., the parked truck does not leave a lot of room to get by, and it is an eyesore. His response to the polite requests? "I can park wherever the fuck I want to. Watcha gonna do about it, motherfucker?"

I have contacted the ABSOLUTELY USELESS management company (Sentry Management) that is paid by our HOA. The response from our property manager: "He has to move it within 24 hours. Since he goes to work every morning, it is not there for more than 24 hours at a time, so he is in compliance."

That response is total bullshit for two reasons:

1. There is NOTHING about "24 hours" in the by-laws. Absolutely nothing. The by-laws state that a commercial vehicle may be parked there long enough to do the job. Example, if it's a lawn service, they can be there long enough to tend to the lawn and then move out. No overnight parking.
   
   
2. The truck is there from Friday afternoon to Monday morning, without moving, every weekend. Every single weekend. That's at least 60 hours.

I pointed both of these things out, to the so-called property manager at Sentry Management. Her response? Dead silence.

Damn, you all some fancy people, don't like us tradesman commoners live in your neighborhood? Didn't realize the caste system was in effect in the US.

There are a number of tradesman who earn good wages and are good people too, seems unfair to be barred from neighborhood based on job.