I would get a background check on both the renters, the mother & the adult child. It wouldn't surprise me if they don't have some sort of a record involving a child & it would benefit the cause if he was a registered sex offender because in that case, the landlord could possibly have another avenue to evict them.

1. Call the police when needed.

2. Video discreetly. Mount some stick up surveillance cameras with both video and audio capability, especially the neighbors that live next to them!!!!!!! Cameras are great and cheap so no reason to not have them. Also carry some protection, be it just pepper spray (use dog pepper spray much stronger).

3. Kids should be chaperoned when they are outside, make sure they are just playing and aren't doing anything to egg psycho and his momma on......which will be verified via the discreet videos.

4. Contact the Rental company or person. Lodge complaints with them too. Let them know when police reports (actual reports not just calls) are made. If anything happens, guess who can be sued? Yep the renter, especially if they have not done due diligence on selecting/screening renters. Then add on the history of complaints and they did nothing=potential big dollar amount settlement.

5. Document everything. Have a meeting with other neighbors documenting time, dates, what happened, who was there, and if any video exists. Everyone can have their own logbook but the neighbor hood should have one on everything.

6. Like was said above, get a background check on the momma and son.

7. HOA: there is a fine line between the ones that do too much and ones that do too little. You and your neighbors are going to have to be the neighborhood watch.

The son doesn't sound autistic (most try to avoid contact but can go berserk when environment is disrupted), but more like paranoid schizophrenic. He is about the right age for onset of symptoms. The other option, both he and his mother are just plain assholes who don't belong in any form of polite society.

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Originally posted by TXJIM:
I am sure there are some renter protection laws in place that would prevent the landlord from kicking them out based on what has happened thus far. He can't kick them out for being mentally ill, an asshole, or just weird. Even if the son commits assault on someone, I doubt that the landlord has the right to terminate the lease held by the mom.

It all depends on the lease. The standard lease does or should have provisions for criminal activity on the landlord's property. If the landlord ignores warnings and violations, he can be liable for anything that happens.

"If the guy commits an assault on the kid......."

The fathers should then "take care of" the problem!

I have had to deal with some bad renter issues (none this bad) and the landlord route seemed the most effective. Unless the owner is a total slumlord he will get tired quickly of hearing from all of you, and yes, once you find out who the owner is share with everyone so he or she gets as little leave and quiet as you!

When I was in high school my best friend had neighbors who decided that allowing their mentally disturbed son live with them was a better option than an institution...all was fine until one night when the kid went off the rails and took a hammer to his parents.

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Originally posted by jsbcody:

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Originally posted by TXJIM:
I am sure there are some renter protection laws in place that would prevent the landlord from kicking them out based on what has happened thus far. He can't kick them out for being mentally ill, an asshole, or just weird. Even if the son commits assault on someone, I doubt that the landlord has the right to terminate the lease held by the mom.

It all depends on the lease. The standard lease does or should have provisions for criminal activity on the landlord's property. If the landlord ignores warnings and violations, he can be liable for anything that happens.

TXJIM is correct.

Does anybody giving these opinions in this thread really know the law? How is it that the landlord is responsible for the criminal activity, but the police cannot act? The only thing the landlord can do is act in civil court against a violation of the lease. Even if the lease has stipulations against criminal activity, it's still a long hill to climb in civil court if there is no conviction. An eviction judge isn't just going to take the landlord's word that a person is committing a crime. In most states, the law is stacked against the landlord in favor of renter protections. If there is a crime being committed, then call the police. If the police cannot act, then it's most likely that the landlord cannot either, without a violation of the lease, corrective letters, documentation, etc, which will still be a civil matter. I had a difficult time evicting a tenant who was already in jail awaiting trial. I eventually got the property back due to abandonment, and I'm in Utah, one of the most landlord friendly states in the nation.

If you believe that the landlord will be liable for his tenant's actions, then you simply do not know anything about tenant law. The best case scenario is that the renters are behind on rent, and that the landlord can evict on that, which is more of a slam-dunk than any other cause for eviction. If you believe that the landlord is some kind of secondary police force, who can be held liable when the police cannot act (or be held liable, for that matter), then you are mistaken. The landlord is responsible for the property, making sure the property and structure is safe and habitable, not for the criminal acts of the tenants.

Of course you can sue anybody for anything, but the idea that you can sue and win because the landlord didn't commit a background check is laughable. Are you saying that assholes should be denied the right of housing, anywhere?

I agree that hidden security cameras would be a big help. If he is egging the neighbors house, chasing kids, you need proof. Also cameras watching cameras, as most likely he would cross over the fence to remove video cameras.

We’re going to be holding a meeting this week. The LEO has suggested everyone in the neighborhood get security cameras and also connect them to an app that is sort of the new neighborhood watch. Anyone in the neighborhood can login to the app and see recorded events by RING doorbells or some sort of networked camera triggered by motion.

I’m good at writing letters. I’m going to help the families write letters to the landlord stating the grievances and how it’s impacted the kids. One of the little girls across the street from me is afraid to sleep in her bedroom alone at night. That’s just one example. I’ll have to ask the other neighbors about how it’s affected their kids too.

I, myself, ran through possible scenarios in my head last night. What do I do if I actually witness him assaulting a child or chasing a child in hysteria.

I’d also like to talk to the HOA about changing the CCR’s about not allowing renters in the neighborhood.

Tony.

I suppose a civilian grade taser is out of the question...

That is a tough problem,but with my temperament and a tendency to not put up with shit ,they would want to to move real damn quick.
Good luck with that legal stuff.
Lived in my home over fifty years,yep there has been run ins and I am still here

Several good long-term solutions above, but in the short term...

Good grief...seems like a lot of work to get rid of an asshole. I really doubt I could tolerate a guy like that menacing kids. I would probably end up being the guy frog-marched away.

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Originally posted by sigcrazy7:
Does anybody giving these opinions in this thread really know the law?

Rhetorical question, right?

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I’m going to help the families write letters to the landlord stating the grievances and how it’s impacted the kids.

Is it Festivus already?

This is why I live as far away from neighbors as possible. Psychotics are very low on my radar due to my positioning.

We had a similar issue with a landlord/renter in our subdivision, he rented to a family of nuts, divorced father, never home, kids party like kids do, eventually the ex started showing up and causing problems with her drug dealer boy friend, they started calling the law on her, she on them,

Our HOA has a nuisance clause, the owner of the property is responsible for the actions, condition etc of the property to the HOA.

Continued leo visits along with the myriad of other problems loud parties during the week, etc created many complaints, these complaints were deemed a nuisance by the HOA board, the fines were at our discretion, so we instituted an increasing fine platform starting at $25 and going up. needless to say his property passed the $100 per fine mark quickly. $2500 later he did something about them and they were gone.

Landlords in this case are Homeowners it doesn't matter that they rented the property.

Any HOA rules regarding the condition, treatment, noise, etc covered by the rules/covenants of the association apply to the owner and any tenants he puts in. Being a landlord does't abdicate him from responsibility.

You and your neighbors should read them, get together and figure it out, several smart minds will find ways to utilize the rules you have.

Don't take someones or some Management Companies word, figure a way to put pressure on the homeowner using the HOA as well as the law.

Money talks, start with notices of violations with warning of fines to be levied and make them pay.... If he's getting a $1000 a month profit and you start banging away at it with $400 to $500 a month in fines he'll figure a way to get them out.

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:

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Originally posted by sigcrazy7:
Does anybody giving these opinions in this thread really know the law?

Rhetorical question, right?

NO, because the OP never stated what State he is in. In my previous post I asked the OP what state he was in (so I could look up the landlord/tenant laws), he did not say or respond. I am a landlord with 5 tenants (in FL), there are ALWAYS ways to legally get a tenant to move out or evict them. There are almost always a provision in the lease that if the tenant is doing something illegal that the landlord can evict. BUT, the landlord needs proof (like police reports) that the tenant is doing whatever they're doing, they can't evict based on heresay. But, they are costly. Everytime a tenant moves out, it costs me 3 months rent. One month of vacancy, one month is the realtors commission, and about a months worth of expense in painting and clean up.


As a landlord, I have zero issues with a tenant calling me with issues like a broken appliance or something of that nature. It's the cost of doing business and you just call someone to repair or buy a new one. However, I absolutely hate getting phone calls and complaints about a tenant annoying other tenants or neighbors or doing something they're not supposed to. First I'll speak to them and give them a written warning. Then if the problem exists or I keep getting phone call after phone call, I will get them out, one way or another (legally of course).

Keep in mind the landlord probably has no idea of what is going on there. He probably gets a check in the mail and never goes to the property. Also, sometimes people look really good on paper (no criminal history, good credit, etc.) but can be complete nutcases, I've had several in the past 10 years. Call the police and fill out a report when the kid does something illegal. Have everyone lean on the landlord. Start with the landlord and have multiple people alert him to the issue, then go the HOA route if the issue isn't resolved.

Oregon

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Originally posted by jimmy123x:

In my previous post I asked the OP what state he was in (so I could look up the landlord/tenant laws), he did not say or respond.

Not a big secret. His posts have a link to his website. His website has a "Contact Us" page, with an address.

Thanks for the laugh ensigmatic & a1.

"24-Hr Notice to Terminate Lease are allowed under the following circumstances (Or. Rev. Stat. § 90.396):

A tenant’s pet causes seriously injures or poses a dangerous threat
A tenant or tenant’s guest recklessly endangers or injures a person on the property
A tenant, tenants’ guest, or tenant’s pet endangers or injures a neighbor
A tenant or tenant’s guest intentionally damages the property
The tenant intentionally provided substantial false information on the application for the tenancy within the past year
A tenant or tenant’s guest commits any act that is outrageous in the extreme on the premise or vicinity of the property, including but not limited to prostitution, manufacturing, delivery or possession of a controlled substance, burglary.

Tenant Duties: A tenant shall use all parts of the premise according to the purpose for which they were designed and intended; behave and require other persons on the premises with the consent of the tenant to behave in a manner that will not disturb the peaceful enjoyment of the premises by neighbors.(Or. Rev. Stat. § 90.325(1a))"

https://www.rentecdirect.com/b...andlord-tenant-laws/


Looks like his behavior allows an easy eviction by the landlord. Document the situation with police and get police reports (separate incidences with separate neighbors). Several people notifying the landlord and the landlord can evict. So I would have several people notify the landlord and go from there.