Sure, I believe this. Why wouldn't I believe it?

It's gonna blow things open!!!

https://x.com/bennyjohnson/status/1905784229448827120

I knew it!!

JFK killed himself.

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Originally posted by sigmonkey:
JFK killed himself.

The Secret Service wanted him to use a clear car top, he wasn’t popular with some groups in Texas and he insisted on being in the open top.
Texas was a toss up state for him but many people didn’t want him to go there. There were right wing groups that were opposed to him but just like today, it was a left winger that did the deed.
So in a certain sense, he contributed to this outcome.

https://medium.com/@archie.hod...arnings-8c353b84fc80

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Originally posted by 220-9er:

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Originally posted by sigmonkey:
JFK killed himself.

...So in a certain sense, he contributed to this outcome...

If I'm reading the monkey right, and I think that I do, he was just being facetious. In other words,

Yep. The Doc knows.

Those who, for whatever reasons need a "conspiracy", will never be satisfied because the unburdened truth will never be enough to remove the tremendous weight of delusion stacked miles deep on the reality of what happened.

I do not deign to know the myriad reasons people will seek whatever support for anything but the simple truth, but I do realize those same people will never be satisfied, because the complicated delusion is always stronger than the boring facts.

This issue no matter, what information in any amount or entirety, presented will ever satisfy those who seek the delusion.

The delusion is a hell of a drug, and the addiction cannot be satisfied, no matter how much cowbell is applied.

Mr. Monkey, You are the most eloquent person I have ever read on any forum and most other places.

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If I'm reading the monkey right, and I think that I do, he was just being facetious. In other words,

I understood. Just trying to add a small side story that some may not have been aware of unless they're older folks like me that heard this and other stories in the years after.

Doesn't change the issue that many still seem to find so hard to accept for some reason. That a loser big-shot wannabe was able to knock off one of the most protected persons in the world to make himself feel special.

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Originally posted by Gustofer:
LBJ and the deep state.

One of the things that gives some people a sense of personal empowerment is the “I know something you don’t.” But somewhat paradoxically, that knowledge is of no use unless it can be shared to impress other people. One way is to belong to a secret society whose members share the hidden knowledge among themselves to impress each other. Something I read about modern day witchcraft covens was the thought that some members don’t actually believe that their practices have any genuine supernatural effects, but being able to perform complex and arcane rituals enhances one’s standing within the group.

But if we don’t belong to a lodge where that knowledge can be savored among like-minded individuals, and such organizations are much less common today than they once were, then what? Then it’s the, “I’ll bet you didn’t know this …” and “Ooh. I didn’t. Tell me more.” As I’ve discussed in other threads there are strong evolutionary pressures for people to influence others, and impressing them with secret knowledge is one way to do that and enhance their standing in the group—whether it be a club, society, organization, or even a community at large. That doesn’t necessarily mean, of course, that the sharer of the knowledge doesn’t actually believe it or even that it’s wrong, but at some point there will be a strong incentive to share the supposed knowledge to influence others.

Gerald Posner, author of Case Closed, posting today on Twitter. It's interesting that Posner- who knows the facts of this case inside and out- refers to Officer Tippit pulling over Oswald, which is an odd way to characterize stopping a man who was on foot:

"On this day in 1963, Lee Harvey Oswald asked his wife, Marina, to take photos in the backyard of their Dallas flat. “I thought he had gone crazy,” she later testified. Little could she have imagined that less than a year later one of her pictures of Lee would be on the cover of LIFE.

The 6.55mm WWII Italian military rifle is the gun used to assassinate JFK and the .38 caliber Smith & Wesson revolver on his hip is the one with which he killed a Dallas policeman.

Lee had bought the rifle by mail order and it had arrived less than a week before Marina took the backyard photos. Only 10 days later, Oswald used that rifle in a failed attempt to kill retired U.S. Army General, Edwin Walker.

Oswald had bought his .38 special revolver a couple of months earlier, also through mail order. He used it to kill J.D. Tippit, the Dallas cop who pulled him over 45 minutes after Kennedy’s murder.

Oswald developed the photos himself. One copy, turned into the FBI after JFK’s murder, had a Cyrillic inscription on the back: “Hunter of Fascists, ha, ha, ha.”

Notwithstanding Marina’s extensive testimony about how she took the pictures, there was a veritable industry for many years of conspiracy theorists charging they were fakes. The House Select Committee on Assassinations in 1978 relied on photographic experts to test the pictures and declare them authentic and unaltered. A 2015 Dartmouth study deployed the latest digital imaging forensics and a 3D model of Oswald to dispel any lingering questions."


https://x.com/geraldposner/status/1906560837344698713

In response to all the conspiracy fans getting riled up by the release of documents, the rational, objective people familiar with the facts of the case are making an appearance.

https://x.com/geraldposner/status/1906479970353885495




A better view. From Posner's Case Closed:

What about the fuzzy umbrella man? No one’s even talking about him…..or her…..or whatever. In one frame he’s got an umbrella. The next picture it’s on the ground. What about that? I’m calling Geraldo again.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
Sure, I believe this. Why wouldn't I believe it?

It's gonna blow things open!!!

https://x.com/bennyjohnson/status/1905784229448827120

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Originally posted by darthfuster:
What about the fuzzy umbrella man? No one’s even talking about him…..or her…..or whatever. In one frame he’s got an umbrella. The next picture it’s on the ground. What about that? I’m calling Geraldo again.

Did they check the umbrella for a hole at the tip? You know, where the bullet exited?

I saw the video. Its value is as an historical artifact documenting the moments after the assassination, and as that, it's unique for those moments and for that exact spot in the plaza.

Beyond that, it's only fertile ground for hyperactive minds with big imaginations.

Once again, Gerald Posner, crusher of dreams:

"Time for a dose of reality. This is the supposedly smoking gun video that @RepLuna said last night had "never been seen before" and "could blow open the entire JFK investigation."

Luna said she learned about it from Oliver Stone and said the video "shows Oswald near the vehicle [JFK's limo] when the assassination took place, which means he couldn't have been the shooter." And she told a credulous Jesse Watters, NBC had been "very, very much guarding this tape."

A small problem.

It is NOT a secret video that has never been seen. It is available for anyone to watch at the Sixth Floor Museum in Dallas (or on their YouTube channel). What Rep. Luna is referring to is a clip of a film taken by Jimmy Darnell, an NBC affiliate cameraman who had been riding in the "press camera cars" behind the motorcade. He, and three other cameramen had jumped out of their car after the shots and started filming about 30 seconds AFTER the assassination.

Darnell's film shows Dallas police officer Marrion Baker running to the front door of the Texas School Book Depository, and past the TSBD's supervisor, Roy Truly, both of whom would encounter Oswald in less than another 30 seconds, on the second floor. Oswald was on his way out of the building, having come down from the sixth floor after the shooting. Truly vouched for Oswald and Baker let him go.

Some conspiracy theorists think that a few seconds in the Darnell film shows a figure on the far-left side of the front of the Texas School Book Depository they believe is Oswald. The figure has been dubbed prayer man, some say because of the way he has his arms crossed in front of him, while others think the conjecture is the equivalent of a conspiracy Hail Mary prayer long shot.

For those not into the weeds on the JFK assassination, this is not the first time that a film or photo has been used to try and exonerate Oswald. For many years, conspiracy theorists contended that Oswald was visible in one of the pictures taken by James Altgens, an AP photographer at the scene. Oswald, they contended, was the fuzzy figure in a white t-shirt standing to the left entrance of the TSBD. That was in fact one of Oswald's coworkers, Billy Lovelady. Even AFTER Lovelady identified himself as the person in the photo, some conspiracy theorists refused to believe him.

Oliver Stone and others have now turned to the Darnell film and the person standing to the left of Lovelady. Maybe that is Oswald. It is not even clear from the fuzzy image if it is absolutely a white man. It could even be a light-colored black or Latin person. But to Stone and Luna and others, it is Oswald.

Thirteen of Oswald’s work colleagues were standing at the front steps of the Texas School Book Depository. They were there to watch the motorcade. Not one of them remembers seeing Oswald there.

That has not stopped the conspiracy theorists, who claim the clothing on the unidentified man looks like what Oswald wore when he was arrested after killing Dallas police officer J.D. Tippit. Ten other Texas School Book Depository employees wore shirts like the one on “prayer man.”

The entire exercise might as well be a Rorschach inkblot test. That is what happened before in the case, for instance, with a half-inch square portion of Mary Moorman’s badly faded Polaroid taken a split second after the assassination. Conspiracy theorists enhanced it and blew it up and thought they had found the image of the phantom second shooter on the Grassy Knoll, someone they dubbed “badgeman.” They claimed that greatly enlarged pixels identified a rifle and a Dallas police uniform. The enhanced photo only shows shadows and trees, no person, no shooter.

Now, Oliver Stone and others believe the only thing preventing an ironclad identification of Oswald in the Darnell film is that they do not have the original first-generation. The Sixth Floor Museum version is a second-generation print of the film that the Museum acquired as part of a personal collection in 2006.

No one is certain if a first-generation version exists, but the guess by Luna and Stone is that it must be somewhere in the long-lost archives at NBC. Not quite the same as NBC having, as Rep. Luna claimed, “very, very much guarding it.”

I hope that the Oversight Committee gets the original Darnell video. Many of us would like to see the clearest possible version of the frenetic scenes that played out in the minutes after the assassination. For those, however, who think it will be dispositive and exculpatory evidence that Oswald was hanging out at the front of the School Book Depository, good luck. That story might earn a headline in the National Enquirer or the Daily Mail. It should not be the ‘breaking news’ from the congresswoman leading the new investigation into the assassination of President Kennedy."



Oliver Stone! LOLZ



https://x.com/geraldposner/status/1905998079112745239

"Chain of custody"

Speaking of Stone. (Updated) April 1, 2025

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Stone also said a new investigation "outside all political considerations" should begin "at the scene of the crime" and reexamine all of the evidence from the day of the assassination.

Translated: "I need to increase my cash flow by people buying my movie. At least, rent it."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/o...-scene-of-the-crime/