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I was head of office operations at two different firms, one public, one private. In both we noted that close to 90% of the incoming mail was junk mail, tossed without being opened. I have noticed the same is true at our home. "Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women. When it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can save it....While it lies there, it needs no constitution, no law, no court to save it" - Judge Learned Hand, May 1944 | |||
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You sold a handgun to a forum member and sent it directly to them in the via USPS??? Using priority mail??? https://pe.usps.com/text/pub52/pub52c4_009.htm | |||
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Was expecting a needed delivery today. Out for delivery. Get an email at 11:00 that 'delivery was attempted'. Bullshit. Here all day - now the USPS doesn't open til 11:00 AM on Monday and who knows what kind of cluster it's going to be finding and getting my package. That I needed today - now weekend plans are shot. Suck it USPS. “Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.” - John Adams | |||
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| Imagination and focus become reality |
The USPS does not have the flexibility to do what UPS and FedEx can do. "There are so many private businesses that would be created to fill the void, it would be mind boggling." Yeah, that would be a real shit show. It would make you beg for the USPS to come back. Or maybe not, then people would just enjoy bitching about their poor service from 200 different mail delivery companies. | |||
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The only mail I'm getting is junk mail. Renewed my license plate online the middle of June for a July 31st expiration. Started calling the last week of July and was unable to contact them due to "excessive call volume." 5 days of that recorded message followed by a disconnect. Only option was to pay another processing fee to have the sticker reissued. Still don't have that. 7 business days and I don't have a first class letter from 30 miles away? Fuck the DMV and USPS both. I'm not as illiterate as my typos would suggest.☮ | |||
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| No double standards |
That was our experience in CA. Fortunately the CA Governor told the police not to ticket expired stickers. "Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women. When it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can save it....While it lies there, it needs no constitution, no law, no court to save it" - Judge Learned Hand, May 1944 | |||
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Your point begins with a lie and an assumption. A company isn't smart. It isn't stupid. It's a company. The USPS, however, isn't a company. It's a an independent government agency under the executive branch. USPS doesn't own its own airline. It cannot own its own airline. It will never own its own airline. The USPS in the years leading up to 1925 did attempt to manage airmail (the means of moving mail at the time), and bungled it due to corruption and other problems, requiring the military to take over. The 1925 Kelly Airmail act changed that. USPS is not an international operator. Both FedEx and UPS are; the revenue streams, cost structure, ability to support the operation from numerous markets, are not remotely the same. Neither FedEx nor UPS rely nearly entirely upon other sources to move their freight. Neither UPS nor FedEx do mail or letters, with the exception of costly document packets, generally on a time-critical basis, and only then because they have their own scheduled airline operation, with their own aircraft. Neither USPS nor FedEx are mail services, and use entirely different business models than USPS.
They are not in the same industry, nor do they offer the same services, nor use the same business model. They do not have the same assets, and even their delivery model is entirely different. The assets and budgeting and income revenue are vastly different. The control is different. The profit model (and responsibility to profit) is diametrically opposed. Ideally the USPS can be self-sustaining; that's not the standard for either UPS or FedEx. UPS and FedEx are commercial operators. USPS is not.
Which one? Have you any idea the scope of what would be required, and the investment? You want to compare to UPS? UPS is waiting on 100 widebody aircraft presently, at a cost of tens of billions, just to sustain. A private company attempting to recreate the USFS (which neither FedEx nor UPS do, or have ever attempted to do) would require trillions just for infrastructure. Maybe if everyone contributes the cost of a cup of coffee?
Everyone says? Got a legitimate, factual reference for that, or just "everyone says?" With the wild, baseless conspiracy theories snapping around in this thread, it may take something more than "everyone says" to be legitimate. The cost of sending through USPS is considerably less than FedEx. I recently sent a package home from a hotel; FedEx was the option there, and it was eighty bucks and change. It would have been thirty bucks at a post office, if I could get to one. I paid for convenience and the limitations of my circumstance. I also had the option: USPS doesn't do the same pickup and remote billing service with an account, because they're an entirely different business model. About as close as one will come is to prepay the postage and stick a letter in a mailbox with the flag up. With FedEx or UPS, I can schedule a pickup. I'll pay through the nose for the service, but that's the cost of the operation. USPS is a lot less expensive. Send a package with UPS to Demnark, and UPS will deliver it in Denmark. USPS won't, because there's no USPS in Denmark. Completely different operations, business models, capabilities, revenue streams, missions, types of operations, infrastructure, capability, scope, and purpose. No real comparison. | |||
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It went to their FFL in Colorado. Excuse the mis-statement. I’ve been an FFL long enough to know the shipping rules for firearms on a federal, state and company level for each carrier. | |||
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Piss up a rope that my point is a lie and an assumption. The USPS has leadership, same as every other fucking company out there. You know damned well what we're talking about here and your idiotic word games just make you look like a petulant pout. Since the USPS doesn't have it's own aircraft, I should care because? It sucks for them that they are beholden to other carriers to get mail to us....really seems like we could cut out all those middlemen that we call postal workers, and nobody would be none the wiser. Ever think that maybe without the USPS standing in the way of "owning" the mailboxes we use, that maybe some other entity could possibly deliver a fucking letter just as well? Not all businesses within an industry use the same business models. Maybe, the USPS leadership just needs to learn how to do things differently, as in not the government way. As for the junk mail, sure I can give you factual references. I've got google, but since you asked, let me help you out. Article 1 Article 2 Article 3 All of them clearly state that the fucking junk mail makes billions of dollars for USPS and still, they can't make a profit. Seems rather shitty to make all that money but come up red at the end of the year. Maybe if the monopoly was broken, we'd see real letter service, but you keep on believing that the government is the answer. ___________________________ No thanks, I've already got a penguin. | |||
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| Imagination and focus become reality |
Keep in mind also that by statute the Postal Service is not supposed to make a profit. It is structured to break out even. | |||
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Sorry. Didn't realize you were an intellectual. But you did lie and make assumptions, and your premise, as previously noted, is a fallacy on nearly every level. Your article one demonstrates that apparently yes, you can google, but also that you don't read. The article provides no information to show that the USPS couldn't survive without junk mail. That was your assertion, was it not? After all, everybody said it? The authoritative research of that unpublished article? "My local postmaster says..." Article 2 provides a bit more substance, and does, in fact, state that the USPS might not survive without junk mail. Is your solution stop the direct mailings? Of course, you didn't bother to look at the date, did you? The article is twelve years old. If you're going to cite something, you might want to read it first. Article 3 is a bubblegum political statement tying the CARES Act to the USPS, and differing political opinions. None of them actually support your comments, and none of them appear to have been very well reviewed. At least the last one wasn't twelve years old.
Who cares if you care? It's irrelevant. What you care about has nothing to do with the subject, making it about you. Despite the wild conspiracy theories in the thread, the fact is that much of the mail has been moving as freight on passenger airlines, and it's been doing on for a long, long time. Thanks to Covid, air traffic is reduced to a fraction, and consequently the ability to move the mail, and for it to move in the same paths, with the same speed, is curtailed, to a fraction. You desired to compare the US Postal Service to UPS and FedEx, a straw man irrelevancy that you really don't seem able to grasp. Whether you care if the USPS has aircraft or not, it's a critical factor in changes to mail delivery times and routing, and tracking, and it's absolutely relevant to your comparison of USPS to UPS and FedEx (whether you care or not).
Double negatives aside, if you're referring to the airlines as the "middle men" (the ones to which the USPS is beholden to for moving the mail), we've already done that. They've been cut out. Hence the existence of this thread (other than to perpetuate conspiracy theories). Less uplift, less travel, more re-routing, longer delays. Apparently some are "the wiser," given that this thread is about increasing delays in mail delivery.
Regular mail, or fucking mail? If the USPS were not not "own" a mailbox, you think it would improve mail service? How, exactly? How would it move the volume of mail necessary, and route it to the correct destinations? Is this about ownership of your mailbox? Is there any possible connection between the ownership of the physical mailbox outside your home, to the speed with which mail is delivered from Miami, or Los Angeles, or Sioux City? Will owning your own mailbox ensure that mail gets to you, and not your neighbor? As for some other entity, whom might that be? It won't be FedEx or UPS. They don't do that. Anyone that is going to take over will require the lift capability to move the volume of mail that is currently in play, plus the ability to generate revenue to perpetuate the operation. Prices are going to go up, out of necessity. Perhaps you can help by purchasing your mailbox. You want to compare to FedEx and UPS; they make the freight move by using large fleets of aircraft. How are you going to do it? Amazon moves based on aircraft uplift, internationally. So does DHL, et al. After you buy your mailbox, how will an operator replace the USPS, at a profit, especially after dumping the direct mail (junk mail)?
Another lie; repeating fallacy doesn't make it truth. You really don't understand the difference between accounting for a percentage of insufficient revenue, and making a profit? No, the articles you "researched" by reading about it on the internet didn't "clearly state," fucking or otherwise. Which of the articles stated that jumk mail "makes billions" for the USPS? None of them. So, no, they do not clearly say anything of what you suggest. Not in the least. Not even the twelve year old article that you clearly skimmed, at best.
I said nothing of the government being the answer. Again, you lie. Why? How about realy USPS numbers; last full reported year, 2019: https://about.usps.com/newsroo...ear-2019-results.htm | |||
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They can, they just can't put it in the mailbox. "Ninja kick the damn rabbit" | |||
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| The Constable |
I should have added a condescending face/meme maybe? I meant that to be ironic or as an understatement. | |||
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| No double standards |
 "Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women. When it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can save it....While it lies there, it needs no constitution, no law, no court to save it" - Judge Learned Hand, May 1944 | |||
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Get a penpal. "Ninja kick the damn rabbit" | |||
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The ridiculous dog & pony show that is the USPS continues: We are moving house at the end of the month, so I go online to complete a notification so that my mail will be forwarded to the new address. Ah, but no! The new address is not in their database. I call the local post office, who confirm it is a real address and the carrier has updated his route to reflect this. I try again, same problem. The USPS system does not recognize the address. I contact Customer Care (that's a fucking laugh). After sending me two canned responses, they finally tell me that I have to contact the Address Management Office for the area and tell them the problem, whereupon they will enter the address into the system. After the system updates, all should be good. BUT! it can take 30-60 days to reflect the changes! 1. Why is this my job? 2. What fucked up system takes 60 days to update an address? 3. What the actual fuck is going on in the USPS? This should probably be in WYD, but I didn't think another thread was necessary. | |||
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I don't even understand how this is possible, my local Post office had lines out the door the first two months of the virus. https://www.click2houston.com/...hanges-slowing-mail/ WASHINGTON – The U.S. Postal Service says it lost $2.2 billion in the three months that ended in June as the beleaguered agency — hit hard by the coronavirus pandemic — piles up financial losses that officials warn could top $20 billion over two years. But the new postmaster general, Louis DeJoy, disputed reports that his agency is slowing down election mail or any other mail and said it has “ample capacity to deliver all election mail securely and on time” for the November presidential contest, when a significant increase in mail-in ballots is expected. Still, DeJoy offered a gloomy picture of the 630,000-employee agency Friday in his first public remarks since taking the top job in June. "Our financial position is dire, stemming from substantial declines in mail volume, a broken business model and a management strategy that has not adequately addressed these issues,'' DeJoy told the postal board of governors at a meeting Friday. "Without dramatic change, there is no end in sight,'' DeJoy said. While package deliveries to homebound Americans were up more than 50%, that was offset by continued declines in first-class and business mail, even as costs increased significantly to pay for personal protective equipment and replace workers who got sick or chose to stay home in fear of the virus, DeJoy said. Without an intervention from Congress, the agency faces an impending cash flow crisis, he said. The Postal Service is seeking an infusion of at least $10 billion to cover operating losses as well as regulatory changes that would undo a congressional requirement that the agency pre-fund billions of dollars in retiree health benefits. The agency is doing its part, said DeJoy, a Republican fundraiser and former supply chain executive who took command of the agency June 15. DeJoy, 63, of North Carolina, is a major donor to President Donald Trump and the Republican Party. He is the first postmaster general in nearly two decades who is not a career postal employee. In his first month on the job, DeJoy said, he directed the agency to vigorously "focus on the ingrained inefficiencies in our operations,'' including by applying strict limits on overtime. “By running our operations on time and on schedule, and by not incurring unnecessary overtime or other costs, we will enhance our ability to be sustainable and ... continue to provide high-quality, affordable service,'' DeJoy said. While not acknowledging widespread complaints by members of Congress about delivery delays nationwide, DeJoy said the agency will "aggressively monitor and quickly address service issues.'' DeJoy's remarks came as lawmakers from both parties called on the Postal Service to immediately reverse operational changes that are causing delays in deliveries across the country just as big volume increases are expected for mail-in election voting. Democratic House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Democratic Leader Chuck Schumer said Thursday that changes imposed by DeJoy "threaten the timely delivery of mail — including medicines for seniors, paychecks for workers and absentee ballots for voters — that is essential to millions of Americans.'' In his remarks to the postal board of governors, DeJoy called election mail handling “a robust and proven process.″ While there will “likely be an unprecedented increase in election mail volume due to the pandemic, the Postal Service has ample capacity to deliver all election mail securely and on time in accordance with our delivery standards, and we will do so,″ DeJoy said. “However ... we cannot correct the errors of (state and local) election boards if they fail to deploy processes that take our normal processing and delivery standards into account.″ Later Friday, DeJoy released another memo detailing changes that reshuffle dozens of officials on his executive leadership team. The former chief operating officer, David Williams, was moved to lead logistics and processing operations, while Kevin McAdams, vice president of delivery and retail operations, was removed from leadership. DeJoy said the changes — which also include a management hiring freeze — would improve efficiency and "align functions based on core business operations.'' Rep. Carolyn Maloney, D-N.Y., chairwoman of the House Oversight Committee, said DeJoy should not be instituting such major changes during “the middle of a once-in-a-century pandemic with a national election around the corner.'' Maloney, who has called DeJoy to testify before her committee next month, demanded he ”halt these changes now.” DeJoy ran into similar resistance at a closed-door meeting Wednesday with Schumer and Pelosi. Schumer called it “a heated discussion" and said Democrats told DeJoy that “elections are sacred.” They urged him not to impose cutbacks “at a time when all ballots count,″ Schumer said. In separate letters, two Montana Republicans, Sen. Steve Daines and Rep. Greg Gianforte, also urged the Postal Service to reverse the July directive, which eliminates overtime for hundreds of thousands of postal workers and mandates that mail be kept until the next day if distribution centers are running late. And 84 House members — including four Republicans — signed yet another letter blasting the changes and urging an immediate reversal. "It is vital that the Postal Service does not reduce mail delivery hours, which could harm rural communities, seniors, small businesses and millions of Americans who rely on the mail for critical letters and packages,'' the House members wrote. The flurry of letters came as the top Democrat on a Senate panel that oversees the Postal Service launched an investigation into the operational changes. Michigan Sen. Gary Peters, the top Democrat on the Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee, said DeJoy has failed to provide answers about the service delays, despite repeated requests. Democrats have pushed for $10 billion for the Postal Service in talks with Republicans on a huge COVID-19 response bill. The figure is down from a $25 billion plan in a House-passed coronavirus measure. Key Republicans whose rural constituents are especially reliant on the post office support the idea. Trump, a vocal critic of the Postal Service, contended Wednesday that “the Post Office doesn’t have enough time” to handle a significant increase in mail-in ballots. “I mean you’re talking about millions of votes. .. It’s a catastrophe waiting to happen.″ | |||
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| Lawyers, Guns and Money  |
Yeah... it makes no sense to me either. UPS reported record profits. Same with FedEx. With so much shopping being done on-line and so many packages needing delivery, why can't the U.S. Postal Service make money? I think the answer is inefficiency. I don't see a solution as long as it's run by government. "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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| The Constable |
"We have been severely impacted by the pandemic" The new EXCUSE now for everything. | |||
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https://about.usps.com/newsroo...ear-2019-results.htm Any other company would be dead with these abysmal numbers. It's an absolute shit show filled with incompetent union trash.
____________________________ Eeewwww, don't touch it! Here, poke at it with this stick. | |||
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