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Step by step walk the thousand mile road |
The people running our government are interested in controlling everything. Where are the instructions for that "Summon Comet" spell I got of Styxhexenhammer666's website? Nice is overrated "It's every freedom-loving individual's duty to lie to the government." Airsoftguy, June 29, 2018 | ||
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safe & sound |
Putting 5,000 individual topics into a single bill is something that needs to end. Maybe we could do that by sneaking that language into one of these monsters where it won't be discovered until after it's voted into law. One bill. One page. Simple English. If you want to pass 5,000 things, then schedule 5,000 votes. | |||
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Rumors of my death are greatly exaggerated |
Our government "leaders" contemplating this need to be drawn and quartered. They want nothing short of total control of everything. It need to be stopped. "Someday I hope to be half the man my bird-dog thinks I am." looking forward to 4 years of TRUMP! | |||
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Thank you Very little |
This was coming anyway, at least the monitoring and reporting of driver stats. You'll get a EULA with your new vehicle, allowing the manufacturing companies data division to know and monitor everything "for warranty" purposes, and then they'll sell the data to insurance companies. | |||
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Funny Man |
This is where my mind went when reading this as well. It’s absurd how these giant bills of thousands of pages get introduced and voted on without the reasonable possibility of reading them. Everything that changes a law, or adds a new law, should have to be identified in its own line item in the introductory paragraph with reference to any modifiers or qualifiers elsewhere in the bill. Enough of this bullshit. ______________________________ “I'd like to know why well-educated idiots keep apologizing for lazy and complaining people who think the world owes them a living.” ― John Wayne | |||
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Member |
The potential abuses of this technology are endless. __________ "I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal labotomy." | |||
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I Deal In Lead |
And pretty easy to disable from the vehicle side. | |||
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Political Cynic |
Doesnt matter how easy it is to disable, it shouldn’t be something ever contemplated to begin with The guy that thought this up should be stood up in front of a wall | |||
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Back, and to the left |
I could not agree more. I would further bet that each one of us, as kids, believed that was the way it worked. Until we all eventually found out the ugly truth. I believe I will write my representatives an demand they write and pass a bill that does away with the multiples. Honestly, it eventually needs to become a constitutional amendment. | |||
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Ignored facts still exist |
Depends on how it's implemented. If the car needs to check in with the "mother ship" every so often, and is unable to do so, then the car itself might go into sleep mode until reset. . | |||
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"2340" - I understand your concerns; they make perfect sense to me. However, I must approach "the problem" from a somewhat selfish point of view. As I see things this little maneuver will likely only affect folks who have the where-with-all to go out and buy a new car. And I am decidedly NOT in that group. As a matter of fact, I left that group about 30 yrs ago when it became common for new cars to cost around $10,000. And, as I am PROBABLY near the end of my string anyway I will just be content to keep my little Dodge truck running until "the day". There are just SOME of these battles that it will be impossible for old geezers like me to fight. As much as I don't like it I can see that it will be necessary to leave some of these battles for the younger generations. All the more reason to equip them with accurate historical facts and critical thinking skills... FredT "...we have put together I think the most extensive & inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics." - Joe Biden | |||
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Get my pies outta the oven! |
Car, 2027: “I’m sorry Citizen, but you do have have enough credits on your Mandatory Social Credit score to be permitted to operate this vehicle today. Please try again tomorrow. Be well!” | |||
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Ammoholic |
Amen. Jesse Sic Semper Tyrannis | |||
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I've thought about this a little, having seen that some of the "buy here, pay here, pay us a pile of interest" places have been rumored to install similar kill-switch devices in cars they sell. I'm not a fan of this idea. On the white-hat side, it makes it easy for a repo agent to know exactly where to find the vehicle when Joey NoPay doesn't make his payment. I totally get that. On the black side, though, I see it potentially putting people in danger -- or preventing them from getting away from a dangerous place. My mind wanders to the crappy trailer park where Missy Goodgirl just wants to get away from her situation with Joey NoPay. Sneaks out out the house, hops in the car, and finds it won't start, ruining her escape. There are plenty of other "I need out of here but the car won't start" situations to think up. Maybe I watch too much TV. Going back to Team WhiteHat for a moment, the nerd in me thinks it'd pretty cool if one's car could actively provide them with a warranty notice on the info screen. But the BlackHat in me agrees with HRK: one way or another, the data will be gathered and abused, whether it's sold to insurance companies and marketers or parsed off for even more nefarious schemes. I read a while back about a couple of cases involving Nissan's GT-R coupes. Evidently, warranty terms are pretty clear: if you track it, your warranty is void. Several people have brought suit, trying to sort out who "owns" the data collected by the car. After all, it's got GPS capability and -- as I constantly harp to the younger people in my circle -- "everything digital is tracked." Owners want that data for measuring performance and making improvements. Manufacturers want it so they can cut warranty costs or sell it. Insurance companies certainly want it -- it can be a revenue generator. We could follow this rabbit hole into the right-to-repair arguments, but that's another topic. Back to the kill switch: who -- or what faulty program logic -- gets the say over instigating a shutdown? And what user considerations/consequences can get overlooked in that process? Not to be argumentative, but I don't believe it would be as easy to disable as Flash-LB says. Vehicle systems are so interconnected these days, I see it being like a "don't cut the blue wire" thing -- the system will detect attempts at defeat, and either alert the vehicle's overlords or "brick up" altogether. Cookster nailed it: the potential abuses are endless. The nerd in me admires the technology; the realist in me will fight it. Hindsight says I need to find an old diesel truck or an original VW beetle and do some serious "mechanic learning." And yes, if you want to pass 5000 things, then have 5000 votes. No more of this "buy a rose, get 10,000 thorns" business. God bless America. | |||
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Political Cynic |
I’d be happy with a government mandated kill switch in the car If they paid for the car, insurance, gas and maintenance Until then paws off. | |||
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Oriental Redneck |
The corrupt government maggots have their own kill switch. It's ashamed the ignorant mass repeatedly failed to use it. Q | |||
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Thanks for your post Sig2340. I just sent an email to my representative asking him to explain how this bill got passed. Cheers. Don't. drink & drive, don't even putt. | |||
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Member |
Working on mine now. God bless America. | |||
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Member |
I see that your covid vaccination status is not up to date and current. Sorry, I cannot take you to your destination until you are in full compliance. Have a nice day. No one's life, liberty or property is safe while the legislature is in session.- Mark Twain | |||
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Master of one hand pistol shooting |
Notes from my hospital bed: The semi was quite close when my car just quit............. SIGnature NRA Benefactor CMP Pistol Distinguished | |||
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