Now that DEI is officially dead I guess it doesn't really matter, but can anyone explain to me what DEI was supposed to accomplish differently versus the last 60 years of Affirmative Action?


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Originally posted by darthfuster:
Bottom line, I am not what I wanted to be because affirmative action hedged up my way at every turn in the late 70s and early 80s. I know this because one of the many gate keepers surreptitiously told me I was of the wrong demographic. So, that’s my white privilege.

I was told that in late 1972 trying to get into a nationwide telecommunications company. Two years, three interviews and testing at each one.

A “foot in the door” was having a relative in the company’s employ which I did, a parent with almost thirty years in at the time. Still no help. Prior to Affirmative Action I’d have been a shoo-in but the winds of change blew in.

I was told unofficially of course that I was the wrong ethnic background and gender at that time to be hired. And if I was hired it would have been for a non traditional male job such as file clerk, operator and with no promise of a transfer to a traditional male job like lineman, installer repairman, plant (central office) or cable splicer.

Discrimination is discrimination, there is no “reverse”.

I have lost at least 2 jobs due to this. The first one was when I was going to college, applied for a state job and told there were no openings (I was working temp). Within a week they hired a guy from the outside full time (he was black). When I asked why they said there was no openeing yet they hired someone, they said they needed a minority.

The second time also with the state, I applied for Texas DPS when I separated from the military. I was in the best shape of my life and thought I was a shoe in. I was applying out of state so I got to take the physical and written parts separate from others. There were two other current LE guys testing with me. The trooper giving the test was an older white guy. He told me that I would never get hired the first time, I needed to apply 3-4 times. They needed minorities and I was not what they needed. I aced all the tests but did not get hired. My sister in law (who is Hispanic) applied right after I did and got hired. She quit during the academy, could not take the one on one “fights” with men (they would grab two people to fight hand to hand and she routinely got set up with men and lost. It’s a good thing, nobody is there to help them when they are alone in the middle on nowhere Texas).

If the best person for the position is hired, there is no discrimination.

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Originally posted by Biker_dude:
'Bout time. 50 years overdue. Unqualified, low IQ minorities being hired while qualified white men get denied just because of racial quotas is an abomination. A travesty of justice.

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I put my name in for a vice president promotion at a very large engineering firm I used to work at; I was already a business unit lead managing $400M in profit and loss (P&L). I was told "this will be a diverse hire only" so I resigned and took another offer.

They hired someone from the outside to check the box of putting more color in their executive team. Most P&L he'd ever managed was $80M. I said to the leadership "he's going to need a LOT of help to not fail" which they agreed with.

Fast forward to 2025; I now work with the former CFO of the same Line of Business from said engineering firm and she explained what I didn't understand about that decision:

"Wall Street gives cut rate debt financing if your executive team meets a certain percentage of "persons of color" or minority representation. We made those changes to help the bottom line as 0.5% cut in a rate of a debt placement could mean billions to shareholders".

Whelp....there you go. As always; F O L L O W T H E M O N E Y.

During an on-campus interview in the 1980s, I walked into the room for an interview with a fairly large bank. The person conducting the interview, and also in charge of winnowing the candidate pool, was a black female who openly sneered at me as I walked in. Not much was said, she asked me the minimal questions and dismissed me as quickly as possible. I am fairly certain that icicles had quickly formed and were hanging off the table at which she was sitting.

I was friends with several other people she was interviewing. Of that mix of friends, there were other white males, along with white females and black males. The white male friends all had similar experiences to mine, while the white females felt encouraged they would be called in for a second interview and the two black male friends were highly confident of going forward in the interview process.

This wasn't a surprise. We had all grown up in the 1970s; we knew about affirmative action and the concept of the "pendulum swinging back the other way to balance things out". I think the only thing that did surprise me was the openly contemptuous manner displayed by the woman conducting the interview. The interview room was private and there were no cameras, but she was still quite bold in her manner. I think she may have enjoyed it.

For those who think that white people in this country have all the privilege and don't understand, or haven't experienced some form of, racism, they are truly delusional or ignorant.


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The airline industry has been terrible for the last 30 years. White males had to have dramatically higher qualifications than other groups to get on with any airline. This typically meant a 5 year or more difference in when one gets hired. Seniority is everything, so being delayed even a month can have lifelong career impacts.

In my case, being a second career, it meant that once I met the experience requirements to get on with a high dollar major airline and the furlough cycle post 9/11 ended, I was then over the unstated age limit of 50. They'd hire a token older pilot just to claim they didn't age discriminate, but it was obvious what was happening.

As a Line Check Airman at my airline, I instructed and qualified numerous pilots who were not white males. I watched them glide right on up to the majors in no time. Meanwhile there was no chance with my experience to even get an interview. The career earnings difference is in the millions.

Idk what the most recent landscape is. Hopefully better.

My company now has a female CEO and she has put women in 3 of the 4 Business Unit leadership roles, and in the COO role. The HR and IT VP's are black males. I could go on but you get the idea. Even in the current political environment they are doubling down on DEI.

I've seen in my own team of technical/project subject matter experts bring in two black women that absolutely were not qualified. One crashed and burned and transferred out within a year. I was part of the interview and rated her lower than two much more highly qualified white males, as did the other black woman on my team. The white male directors and white female HR rep put her highest which was absurd. And then the HR woman who was dumb as a box of ricks behind my back suggested I was biased.

The other black woman is nice and does various project management work but is just too timid and lacking in technical competence to really lead anything. Still the female Executive Director made this one her "Chief of Staff" and gives her tons of exposure to "leadership".

Early 1990s I worked for Digital Equipment (dec), at the time, the third largest computer company in the world.

The company promoted diversity, but ability was an absolute requirement; minority, etc., were not enough.

The top three people in my division were a black man, a black woman, and me (white male). The other two were absolutely competent, pulled their weight, were easy to work with, and had clearly earned their positions.

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Originally posted by TigerDore:
Now that DEI is officially dead I guess it doesn't really matter, but can anyone explain to me what DEI was supposed to accomplish differently versus the last 60 years of Affirmative Action?

Greed, and political hay and division, courtesy of The Crimson Kenyan, his cohorts and cronies, and like-mined ilk.

google AI -

“President Barack Obama, in 2011, signed Executive Order 13583 concerning diversity and inclusion, demonstrating a commitment to this area at the federal level.”

BILLION$$ of federal and state money, appropriated from hard-working U.S taxpayers, were ‘invested’ in the cause, across all levels of government, academia and private industry, which enriched a very few (like always).

The shit-stain king of the White House, inflicted great harm on the Republic with this folly, along with everything else his commie hands touched.