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While I agree with you, sadly I don't know that it's that different from the taxing you at both ends they already do, income tax and sales tax.  | |||
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Lurking for years! |
I do think 'community' is the fabric that binds us and creates our society. Local churches are that community for many people. I believe even if not tax exempt these local churches would pay no taxes (most either barely get by or when they have extra funds they are put back into the community to do good work). On the other hand, the growth of the mega church, tv evangelist seems a criminal enterprise hiding behind a façade of religion. It is BIG business and business is good. Dave Not a Newbie! Posting on rare occasions, but lurking for years! | |||
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| Run Silent Run Deep  |
Or any time I want to “give” money to my family. Anything over 15k is taxed as “ gift tax” Inheritance tax too… They screw you coming and going in many cases. _____________________________ Pledge allegiance or pack your bag! The problem with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money. - Margaret Thatcher Spread my work ethic, not my wealth | |||
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If I have to pay it, I don't see why they shouldn't pay it as well. | |||
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| Member |
The problem with this argument is that church donations are tax deductible. https://www.hrblock.com/tax-ce...hing-tax-deductible/ | |||
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אַרְיֵה |
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| Peace through superior firepower  |
That's a good point. How about this? No church or religious organization may solicit donations by any means other than face-to-face. This would mean no TV charlatans, no radio, no internet, not even snail mail or so much as a flyer glued to a telephone poll on a deserted stretch of highway. If the fire code of your meeting facility permits occupancy by no more than, say, 2000 people, those are the marks you can pickpocket at a given time. Minus the con men on staff, of course. ____________________________________________________ "I am your retribution." - Donald Trump, speech at CPAC, March 4, 2023 | |||
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A Grateful American |
Read what I posted. It is the fact. People donating and then filing a deduction does not change that. It is a different matter entirely. And it sidesteps the point I made, but I mentioned it because that was the genesis of the thread. But my point of view is really about the underlying agenda and why that exists. So many tearing at everything with no real thought as to the what effect it will have. It's is much like watching those odd dystopian flicks about things going mad. I have just been watching this pot simmering for years now and what is rendering is not anything I want to consume when the dinner bell is rung. Perhaps it is simply a part of aging, and nothing new. But, I still don't like it one bit. And the issue with "mega churches". Yeah, most are con games, yet the taxation does not deal with them, (if that is the argument for the tax), they are cunning enough to figure out how to flip the sheep around and fleece from another angle, they gonna fill them bags, yessir, yessir, them bags full. Consider the church in California lawsuit wher they were awarded $800,000.00 in legal fees. They have 12 pastors, and a legal team to beat the band. To be able to have spent $800,000.00 in legal fees is nuts, and that's a lot of fleece. But taxing churches will force small congregations out of food banks, assisting the elderly in small ways that matter, helping homeless, those trying to get off drugs, and many other things. Maybe onsie, twosie is small potatoes, but it matters to those few, and added up, it matters more than folks think. The water that powers niagra falls begins as a raindrops. But over time the collective becomes a torrent. There is so much going on that is wrong in every area of our lives, that causes great harm and damage, yet we let it go, day in and day out, and then tilt at windmills and swing at shadows, and wonder why tomorrow is worse than yesterday. Pogo, still right. "the meaning of life, is to give life meaning" ✡ Ani Yehudi אני יהודי Le'olam lo shuv לעולם לא שוב! | |||
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| Be not wise in thine own eyes  |
Why discuss the former without discussing the latter? Samaritan’s Purse is a 501(c)(3) tax-exempt charity. Link  The Bill, Hillary & Chelsea Clinton Foundation is a non-profit 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organization. Link  Let’s be honest. The root of the question is based on opposition to religion not taxation. “We’re in a situation where we have put together, and you guys did it for our administration…President Obama’s administration before this. We have put together, I think, the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics,” Pres. Select, Joe Biden “Let’s go, Brandon” Kelli Stavast, 2 Oct. 2021 | |||
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| Peace through superior firepower |
You've picked up their scent, bird dog. | |||
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| Savor the limelight |
If we are going down this road then the unions should pay income and property taxes as well. | |||
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In Odin we trust |
^^^^^ THIS RIGHT HERE ^^^^^ _________________________ "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than omnipotent moral busybodies" ~ C.S. Lewis | |||
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| Do the next right thing  |
How about just eliminating property tax instead, because no one should have to pay rent to the government just to keep what is theirs. | |||
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| Victim of Life's Circumstances  |
I stand with the monkey and the eagle. Terrible idea to tax churches. Very shortsighted. ________________________ God spelled backwards is dog | |||
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Now that is a fantastic idea! | |||
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| Member |
No, it's still apples to apples. The service a church provides is how you use the donation on your tax return, or how it makes you feel by donating to something. Usually it's an intangible, but the donor still receives something from the entity donated to. | |||
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"donate that taxed income to the church" "buy a service with that taxed income from a business" Both are the same thing. You pay a psychiatrist for a session or you donate to a church/charity and get a good feeling. In both cases there were only intangibles provided to the person making the payment. | |||
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| The Ice Cream Man |
Donating to a church is not done to "feel good," but I don't know how to explain it to someone who believes in a negative. TMK, most people donate AFTER they've been saved - and a surprising amount do not deduct their donations - which is foolish, as doing so is just donating to the the cronies. Not sure how I feel about forbidding donations, other than in-person. Texas used to forbid death bed donations, I'm sure those need to be eliminated again. But Billy Graham, and Norman Vincent Peale and others helped a great many people find their way to God. Now, I will say, as far as I can recall, all of the reputable TV/Radio fellows were pretty open about "Tuning is not the same as going to church, and that you had to find a church." I wonder if the "Non-church purposes" is part of why so many churches are empty all the time. (Admittedly, I am PA Dutch, and the idea of social life revolving around a church family seems normal to me.) But, it seems like churches would make more sense if they had exercise classes, and elder activities, and community kitchens, along with the outreach stuff. Lots of them seem to be focused on "saving and redeeming," but not on "growing and, emotionally/spiritually enriching their own congregation." | |||
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 How about making the other 50% of our citizens pay taxes? There is zero accountability for the ones who are supposed to be paying in the first place but don't... | |||
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I don't believe in a negative so there's nothing you need to explain. If you don't like my phrasing then change it to "felt obligation" or "because they felt it right to do so". Whatever words you want to use it's still the same - a person feels something when they give to a church/charity therefore they are receiving something in return for their money. If a person feels nothing about their donating/buying from such an organization then what's the point in doing so? | |||
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