I'm just surprised it took them that long to blame Trump and/or his supporters. Shows just how far they've slipped.

I'm sorry.... Which American people is AOC referring to?

I wouldn't ask this woman for directions to the bathroom if she was standing in front of the door much less trust her political strategy.

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I see the problem! It's Trumps fault. I figured he had something to do with this dumpster fire. The reason the Dem Iowa votes aren't counted yet is because of Trump, or specifically, his supporters.

https://www.foxnews.com/politi...-to-the-chaos-report

Here's a Bloomberg (yep) article that has more alleged details about how "Trump supporters" jammed the phone lines.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news...ne-top-democrat-says

I have no idea if it happened or not, but I'll point out the opbvious: It's the Demokratic Party that does not play by the rules and they're sore losers. It started in 2000 with the "selected not elected" chant and went downhill from there.

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Originally posted by Ironbutt:
I see the problem! It's Trumps fault. I figured he had something to do with this dumpster fire. The reason the Dem Iowa votes aren't counted yet is because of Trump, or specifically, his supporters.

https://www.foxnews.com/politi...-to-the-chaos-report

Here's a Bloomberg (yep) article that has more alleged details about how "Trump supporters" jammed the phone lines.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news...ne-top-democrat-says

I have no idea if it happened or not, but I'll point out the opbvious: It's the Demokratic Party that does not play by the rules and they're sore losers. It started in 2000 with the "selected not elected" chant and went downhill from there.

Trump supporters jamming the phone line is a bullshit excuse. If that were actually the case, we would have the results by now. The real problem is they apparently don't have actual results to report.

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I'm sorry.... Which American people is AOC referring to?

I wouldn't ask this woman for directions to the bathroom if she was standing in front of the door much less trust her political strategy.

Agreed, and I believe the following is a first for me. I agree with one thing she did say in the article posted:

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“I don’t think it’s a good idea for people to try to use superdelegate or other kind[s] of subversive policies to deny anybody the nomination because it’s incredibly divisive to do so, and very demoralizing, which is a direct threat in November,” she told TIME magazine ahead of the Iowa caucuses.

The whole superdelegate is elitist bullshit because in the end their 1 vote counts the same as 10,000 to 20,000 (depending on superdelegate's state of residence) regular citizens votes. I'm merciless on this topic when I talk to my liberal friends about how the Democrat party doesn't give a shit about regular citizens.

Democrat modus operandi. Blame everything on Russia,or Trump.We all knew it was coming

Texas Congresswoman suggests Russia responsible for Iowa caucus voting issues

https://www.washingtonexaminer...caucus-voting-issues

Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee, a Texas Democrat, suggested during an FBI oversight hearing on Wednesday that Russia is responsible for the vote-reporting issues from Tuesday’s Iowa caucuses.

“I hope that the Iowa Democrats will ask for an FBI investigation on the app,” the Texas Democrat told FBI Director Christopher Wray. “I believe that Russia has been engaged in and interfering with a number of our elections dealing with the 2016 election.”

Wray responded by reassuring Jackson Lee that the FBI shares her concern about Russian interference.

“Certainly, we are also concerned about potential Russian interference with our elections,” Wray said. “That’s why I created the foreign influence task force, which is acutely focused on that topic among other nation-states that are attempting to influence our elections.”

Democrats have faced criticism for not properly testing the voting system in Iowa, which includes an app the Iowa Democratic Party spent $60,000 to implement.

“How can anyone trust you now?” a reporter yelled at the chairman of the state’s Democratic Party after reporting issues had still not been cleared up the day after voters caucused. An official winner has still not been announced as of Thursday evening.

Democratic National Committee Chairman Tom Perez expressed his frustration on Thursday by calling for a recanvassing.

“Enough is enough. In light of the problems that have emerged in the implementation of the delegate selection plan and in order to assure public confidence in the results, I am calling on the Iowa Democratic Party to immediately begin a recanvass.”

If this woman was any stupider, she'd need to be watered twice a week.

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Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee, a Texas Democrat, suggested during an FBI oversight hearing on Wednesday that Russia is responsible for the vote-reporting issues from Tuesday’s Iowa caucuses.

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If this woman was any stupider, she'd need to be watered twice a week.

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Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee, a Texas Democrat, suggested during an FBI oversight hearing on Wednesday that Russia is responsible for the vote-reporting issues from Tuesday’s Iowa caucuses.

I tell ya, Dem's are running a competition to see who can be the biggest retard in the congress. What's shocking is how much competition there is for the title.

Iowa 100% reporting


Buttigieg 26.2 %
Sanders 26.1 %
Warren 18 %
Biden 15.8 %
Klobuchar 12.3 %
Yang 1 %

https://www.nbcnews.com/politi...ections/iowa-results

236,000 participated in 2008. About 176,000 this time.

Dang. Biden boned by Pocahontas. Sanders boned in the delegate race by arcane vote-counting procedures. Gabbard boned by "Uncommitted". On to New Hampshire!

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Originally posted by Rightwire:
I'm sorry.... Which American people is AOC referring to?

I wouldn't ask this woman for directions to the bathroom if she was standing in front of the door much less trust her political strategy.

Agreed, and I believe the following is a first for me. I agree with one thing she did say in the article posted:

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“I don’t think it’s a good idea for people to try to use superdelegate or other kind[s] of subversive policies to deny anybody the nomination because it’s incredibly divisive to do so, and very demoralizing, which is a direct threat in November,” she told TIME magazine ahead of the Iowa caucuses.

The whole superdelegate is elitist bullshit because in the end their 1 vote counts the same as 10,000 to 20,000 (depending on superdelegate's state of residence) regular citizens votes. I'm merciless on this topic when I talk to my liberal friends about how the Democrat party doesn't give a shit about regular citizens.

Get 'em.

and those votes - its only right that even though he had the most votes, it was only reasonable that some of those votes be given to people that didn't earned them - just to be fair and equitable

after all, he stands for socialism, and its what he got

Leftists: We must ban the electoral college! The majority vote should be the deciding factor!

Normal Americans: That's our system for a reason.

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Normal Americans: Hey, check that out! Bernie got the most votes, but didn't win!

Leftists: That's our system for a reason.

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ALPA PAC? Are most airline pilots leftists (The ones I know range from center-right to “Attila the Hun was a Commie pinko”) or is this just another really good argument against unions being allowed to be involved in politics?

While the airlines heavily favored military pilots for years, and those pilots probably leaned a bit more conservative, hiring of late has become more even between military and civilian source pilots. So I would bet that the tendency is toward more liberal pilots in general over the past 10 years or so.

I belong to ALPA and my airline is agency shop, so you have to belong to the union (some exceptions for some grandfathered non members from pre 2006) or pay agency fees which are essentially equal to the membership dues. I'm fine with non public sector unions, but also believe that you shouldn't be forced to join or pay dues if you don't join. Free country for now at least. I was a member when we were open shop (no requirement to join or pay dues) and feel that without a union my job would be much worse and the industry would be less safe as a whole. Pilot pushing and the associated fatigue is a real thing and without a contract to prevent the company from arbitrarily changing work rules and pay this would be a miserable job and the skies would be less safe.

I am way right of most Republicans and most "conservatives" for that matter. I'd have to guess that maybe 60% of the folks I fly with are somewhat right of center and the other 40% are leftists. Even some of the former military guys are not what you would consider conservative.

Union leadership, however, tends to lean pretty hard left and those folks just seem drawn to running for office and the power "leadership" positions offer. They definitely favor leftist politicians and policies at ALPA national and thus the ALPA PAC (Political Action Committee), which is supposedly funded entirely by voluntary contributions above and beyond the normal dues of ALPA members. Kind of like how Planned Parenthood doesn't use tax payer funds for abortions.

I haven't and never will contribute a dime to the ALPA PAC specifically because they support these types of causes. ALPA dues are pretty stout and they get enough of my money (which I voluntarily and willingly provide for the services and support they provide me and my family) without me sending them even more to piss away on leftist agendas and causes. I was very disappointed to see that ALPA PAC was on that list but sadly not that surprised.

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WASHINGTON (AP) — The Associated Press is unable to declare a winner in Iowa’s 2020 Democratic caucuses.



Undercover Huber:

WINNER: @realDonaldTrump

LOSER: @JoeBiden

See? Easy

Democrats wheel out their 'dog ate their homework' excuse, blaming Trump for Iowa

The Iowa caucus is still a mess, a bad enough one that Democratic National Committee chairman Tom Perez has called for a "recanvass" of the entire operation.

No results, and more to the point, no believable explanation, either. The explanations have shifted so many times that it's now come down to the all-purpose one: blaming Trump.

According to Fox News:

Workers manning the phones in Iowa after the state's disastrous caucus on Monday reportedly claim that President Trump backers flooded the hotline number for precinct chairs that led to even more confusion and disarray.

...and...

Ken Sagar, a Democratic central committee member in the state, told a conference call Wednesday that on the night of the caucus, Trump backers were calling in to voice their support for the president, Bloomberg reported. Sagar was reportedly one of the people answering the calls.

It's nothing but a cover for their own failures in putting on a basic primary caucus.

This one sounds particularly far-fetched, given that the Trump campaign operation has no history of this kind of activity, quite unlike various Democratic operations.

Number one, why are we hearing about this just now instead of when it was supposedly happening? The claim reported by Fox comes from a couple of Democratic operatives, who said Trumpsters "flooded" the lines.

The word "flooded" is pretty convenient. The real question is, how many calls were there, what were their particular phone numbers (in the smartphone age, they'd have them), and how many such calls does it take for a Democrat to make a "flood" to ruin the caucus, like a pre-ordained plan? If it was a flood, why did only two of them get the flood, not all of them?

It's odd stuff, but even that doesn't excuse the Democrats. The next question after is why their call-in line number got out, and why didn't they put security guardrails on it, permitting only certain callers? It's the internet age; they could have done it.

It would have been no problem for Democrats to yell Republican interference on election night, given their dislike of Republicans. But now we're just hearing about it, and at this point, it sounds as though the dog ate their homework.

The chronology tells another story.

First, the problem was blamed on a reporting app. That was Day One.

Bad app, no hacking, they said. According to Iowa Democratic Party spokeswoman Mandy McClure, on the first day after the caucus:

This is simply a reporting issue, the app did not go down, and this is not a hack or an intrusion. The underlying data and paper trail is found and will simply take time to further report the results.

Umm, well, maybe. According to a report in left-wing ProPublica:

The IowaReporterApp was so insecure that vote totals, passwords and other sensitive information could have been intercepted or even changed, according to officials at Massachusetts-based Veracode, a security firm that reviewed the software at ProPublica's request. Because of a lack of safeguards, transmissions to and from the phone were left largely unprotected.

Chris Wysopal, Veracode's chief technology officer, said the problems were elementary. He called it a "poor decision" to release the software without first fixing them. "It is important for all mobile apps that deal with sensitive data to have adequate security testing, and have any vulnerabilities fixed before being released for use," he said.

Then there were the charges from Camp Bernie Sanders, which had every reason to think none of this was a bad code, a hack, or a Trumpian dirty trick, but more likely a rig.

Pete Buttigieg, who won the caucus by a narrow margin, just happened to be an investor in the company.

George Soros, through various shell companies, also seemed to have a hand in the whole thing. You know that with Sanders's end-billionaires plan, he's sure to want someone else. He's always been the Democratic establishment, and the Democratic establishment, as it's already known, isn't in for feeling the Bern.

There's also the actual operatives who created the app, vaunted whiz kids affiliated with the failed Hillary Clinton internet operation, skeezy tricksters such as Robbie Mook. Those are the guys who created the app; it was their company, though Mook denies any involvement. USA Today has reported that yes, Mook was involved. So does the Des Moines Register.



It's all falling apart. Democrat operatives with a history of gaming elections, and anti-Bernie factions such as Bernie's electoral competition, seem to have been caught in the act of trying to rig the results away from Bernie. They were offered federal security, same as the hacked email accounts of the DNC had been, and surprise of surprises, this same Mook crew turned it all down. Wonder why.

Now they're watching the whole thing blow up in front of them.

That's led to their blaming of Trump for the whole mess, a sorry, sorry excuse that looks ridiculous in the wake of all the other evidence of incompetence and chicanery. The Trumpsters, see, are all powerful and knew that a flood of phone calls to the Iowa caucus counters was just the thing to create the crisis of confidence disaster the Democrats have going right now. And somehow, they had all the right numbers it took to dial in. Pay no attention to the bad app, the self-interests of the app makers, or the curious choice of personnel.

That's a good one. What would Democrats do without Trump? He seems to be their catch-all, carry-all program for evading any responsibility for their own failures, dating from Mook's Hillary plan and it's starting to get rancid out there.

Read more: https://www.americanthinker.co...a.html#ixzz6DJA2WZQm

All of this is strong evidence that karma is not merely a concept. This is what these assholes get for their constant childish behavior.