This selling of information may be why GM is forcing customers to take OnStar with all new purchases.

Interesting from the original article more detail on who's selling out who...

Real-World Driving Behavior’
General Motors is not the only automaker sharing driving behavior. Kia, Subaru and Mitsubishi also contribute to the LexisNexis “Telematics Exchange,” a “portal for sharing consumer-approved connected car data with insurers.” As of 2022, the exchange, according to a LexisNexis news release, has “real-world driving behavior” collected “from over 10 million vehicles.”

Verisk also claims to have access to data from millions of vehicles and partnerships with major automakers, including Ford, Honda and Hyundai.

Two of these automakers said they were not sharing data or only limited data. Subaru shares odometer data with LexisNexis for Subaru customers who turn on Starlink and authorize that data be shared “when shopping for auto insurance,” said a spokesman, Dominick Infante.

Ford “does not transmit any connected vehicle data to either partner,” said a spokesman, Alan Hall, but partnered with them “to explore ways to support customers” who want to take part in usage-based insurance programs. Ford will share driving behavior from a car directly with an insurance company, he said, when a customer gives explicit consent via an in-vehicle touch screen.

The other automakers all have optional driver-coaching features in their apps — Kia, Mitsubishi and Hyundai have “Driving Score,” while Honda and Acura have “Driver Feedback” — that, when turned on, collect information about people’s mileage, speed, braking and acceleration that is then shared with LexisNexis or Verisk, the companies said in response to questions from The New York Times.

But that would not be evident or obvious to drivers using these features. In fact, before a Honda owner activates Driver Feedback, a screen titled “Respect for your Privacy” assures drivers that “your data will never be shared without your consent.” But it is shared — with Verisk, a fact disclosed in a more than 2,000-word “terms and conditions” screen that a driver needs to click “accept” on. (Kia, by contrast, does highlight its relationship with LexisNexis Risk Solutions on its website, and a spokesman said LexisNexis can’t share driving score data of Kia participants with insurers without additional consent.)

Class action filed 3/13: NYT Link

A digital right to privacy would be a constitutional change I could get behind. Something to protect citizens from corporate and government surveillance is past due as far as I am concerned.

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Originally posted by stickman428:
A digital right to privacy would be a constitutional change I could get behind. Something to protect citizens from corporate and government surveillance is past due as far as I am concerned.

As well as clear simple TOS that indicate agreeing to use will allow the company to obtain, retain, sell data on you, what data, and to whom they will sell and for what use.

Handing out information to other advertisers is one thing, handing out driving information is another without consent.

IF you have a GM with OnStar, be sure to disable the Smart Driver interface option, although the suit brought by the owner of the Caddy in the article listed above states the owner never enrolled in OnStar or then for that matter Smart Driver.

Subaru owners, check Starlink,
Kia, Hyundai, Mitsubishi - Driving Score
Honda, Acura - Driver Feedback

Ford - doesn't share data with Lexis-Nexis or any of the others.

Nothing about Toyota/Lexus, Mercedes, BMW, Porsche etc was mentioned.

AS time moves forward, you will be monitored more and more. Your vehicle, cell phone, any smart devices, Siri, etc.... all of them are monitoring everything you do.

Someone out this is collecting that data. No one collects data unless it has a purpose. Figuring out what ads to put on FaceBook isn't the reason.

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Originally posted by stickman428:
A digital right to privacy would be a constitutional change I could get behind. Something to protect citizens from corporate and government surveillance is past due as far as I am concerned.

It seems to me that we are past due for such a thing. This practice of automakers providing information to insurance companies is outrageous, and there are plenty of other examples of these intrusions to demonstrate that limitations need to be put into place.

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Originally posted by HRK:
From Linked In Link

See the data your car is capable of collecting with this tool: Link - Vehicle Privacy Report

This website, once you input your VIN, has an option to "OPT-OUT FOR FREE" of your car company's data practices. Is doing this trustworthy on this website? Will/does it actually work?

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Originally posted by wingspar:
I have to wonder when they started doing this crap? I have a 2007 Toyota Camry and a 2011 Toyota Tacoma. Were they doing this back then?

Makes me wonder when toilets will start recording when you take a dump and send the info to your health insurance.

During the Covid nonsense we were still flying in to Guangzhou, China but were locked in our hotel rooms for the entire stay. After a year of this we found out that the Chinese were testing our poo for Covid after we checked out. The company knew they were doing this but never told us.

None of this nanny shit on a car for me ever.

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Originally posted by HRK:

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Originally posted by stickman428:
A digital right to privacy would be a constitutional change I could get behind. Something to protect citizens from corporate and government surveillance is past due as far as I am concerned.

As well as clear simple TOS that indicate agreeing to use will allow the company to obtain, retain, sell data on you, what data, and to whom they will sell and for what use.

Handing out information to other advertisers is one thing, handing out driving information is another without consent.

IF you have a GM with OnStar, be sure to disable the Smart Driver interface option, although the suit brought by the owner of the Caddy in the article listed above states the owner never enrolled in OnStar or then for that matter Smart Driver.

Subaru owners, check Starlink,
Kia, Hyundai, Mitsubishi - Driving Score
Honda, Acura - Driver Feedback

Ford - doesn't share data with Lexis-Nexis or any of the others.

Nothing about Toyota/Lexus, Mercedes, BMW, Porsche etc was mentioned.

Thanks for this. I have a 2023 Silverado and had no idea about this. All I know was when I bought the truck, the dealer already had me set up with My Chevrolet using the contact information from our negotiating. I just downloaded the app and sure as shit, there's Smart Driver feature enabled.

I ran my car. 2023 Subaru purchased new about a year ago. This is what that Vehicle Privacy Report says about it.

It's amazing the sheer amount of things that Subaru is selling. The other thing that struck me is that in order to fully review what I'm consenting to, I'd have to read over 61K words, dedicating 307 minutes of my life, with a comprehension of a 16th grade education (presumably 4 years of college, ideally with a law degree). It's simply not possible for the average person to understand what they are consenting to.

Adding in the fact that dealers often consent to this for the customer prior to them showing up to pick up the car.

I can't see where this isn't a class action suit waiting to happen.

Not just the cars themselves, but the apps on our phones as well. Life360 and All State: Link, for example.

I just did the brakes on three vehicles which makes me wonder how bedding the pads and rotors gets reported. That’s some hard braking.

Updating an older Thread

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GM Faces New Lawsuit For Secretly Selling Your Driving Data

Nebraska is seeking restitution for impacted residents and civil penalties against GM

GM Faces New Lawsuit For Secretly Selling Your Driving Data

Nebraska alleges GM sold the driving data of thousands to third parties and insurers.

Data collected included instances of hard braking, hard acceleration, and sharp turns.

The state’s Attorney General refutes GM’s claim that owners consented to have their data sold.

As modern vehicles grow increasingly connected, privacy concerns are shifting into high gear. Automakers are under growing scrutiny for allegedly collecting and selling sensitive driving data to third parties, including insurance providers. The controversy escalated in 2024 when a New York Times investigation revealed that GM was sharing customer data with brokers, prompting a lawsuit from the state of Arkansas.

Now, Nebraska has joined the fray, with Attorney General Mike Hilgers filing a lawsuit against General Motors and its OnStar division for what he describes as “unlawfully collecting, processing, and selling sensitive driving data” belonging to Nebraskans.

The lawsuit alleges that GM has, for years, deceptively collected and sold customers’ data without their knowledge or consent across the state. This information, collected through the OnStar telematics system, includes dates, start and end times of drivers, vehicle speed, driver and passenger seatbelt status, and distances traveled. It’s alleged GM collected and sold driving data from over 14 million vehicles in the US, “many thousands of which belonged to Nebraskans.”

Driving Behavior Turned Into a Score

After collecting driving data, GM reportedly entered into agreements with third-party companies to store this data and then assign a ‘Driving Score’ to each customer based on several risk factors that were tracked. These included instances of hard braking, hard acceleration, seatbelt status, and instances of sharp turns. The third-party firms are also accused of reselling access to this information to car insurance providers.

GM Faces New Lawsuit For Secretly Selling Your Driving Data
Thousands Of Locals Impacted

According to Hilgers, “GM earned millions of dollars in lump sum payments from the third parties, royalty payments based on telematics exchange licenses sold to insurers, and annual guaranteed payments if GM sold the Driving Data of a certain number of newly sold GM vehicles.”

The complaint also claims GM misrepresented customer consent, telling these companies that drivers had agreed to the collection and sale of their data.

The Nebraska Attorney General disputes those claims, stating that GM relied on “deceptive, unconscionable, and unlawful tactics to enroll its customers in its data collection programs.” The state’s lawsuit seeks civil penalties, restitution for affected residents, and a court order to stop GM and OnStar from continuing these practices.

“Nebraskans deserve to work with companies that are truthful and honest about what they are doing,” Hilgers said in a statement. “That is not what happened here, and we filed this lawsuit because one large company decided that it wouldn’t honestly tell Nebraskans that their data was going to be used to impact their insurance rates. This is wrong. Our office will hold companies that mislead Nebraskans accountable, no matter how large.”

As automakers race to define the future of mobility, cases like this raise a deeper question: in the drive toward connectivity, who’s actually in control of their personal data? For many consumers, it may be the first time they’re realizing just how much their car knows, but more importantly, how many others might be listening.

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Won't be long Waze, Garmin, all these GPS devices will be in on the game, anyone with data on driving will be suppling it to a central house, you won't get the option to opt out unless someone can sue and win in court over privacy concerns.

I came in just to say, I'm sure the gps apps and even just your phone is collecting and selling this data. The iphone has accelerometer, it actually even knows when I'm driving as when I just get in and have the car running, I have to tell it I'm not driving in order to get into an app.

Check this box right here. It’s your consent. Oh don’t worry, you can always opt out later.
It doesn’t take a genius to understand why it’s an opt out scheme as opposed to an opt in one. I’ve brought up this concern before. I want to know how to block the data from being transmitted and I want to know how to wipe out the memory of any gathered data. But soon that will be big business also I’m guessing. Pay me and I’ll make sure nobody can collect any data. It’s sickening.

Waiver?

What waiver?

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Originally posted by wingspar:
Makes me wonder when toilets will start recording when you take a dump and send the info to your health insurance.

They will monitor for excessive, repeat flushing.

Already here. I'm not sure about reporting to your health insurance, but that can't be far behind.

Better crapping through technology!

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Originally posted by 400m:
I want to know how to block the data from being transmitted...

For the car, if you're really motivated, you could cover GPS/cellular/WiFi antennas with foil. Won't help with your phone though. And it won't stop some service tech from downloading stored data.

In one of William Gibson's novels, this is routine. If I remember the dialogue correctly, one of the kids reports to his parent, "The toilet says someone is sick." The kicker is that it isn't diagnosing a physical disorder, but a mental one.

I suggest ALL of you get a copy of your LexusNexus. You would be surprised what info they collect on you and family members.It is free and you have the ability to make changes if needed.

https://consumer.risk.lexisnexis.com/consumer