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Originally posted by LS1 GTO:

I am wondering if, in the Bahamas, Epstein's mansion still stands.

You're off by somewhere between 500 and 1,000 miles.

Epstein's island is in the vicinity of the U.S. Virgin Islands, east of Puerto Rico. The Bahama Island chain starts fairly close to Florida.

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Originally posted by V-Tail:

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Originally posted by LS1 GTO:

I am wondering if, in the Bahamas, Epstein's mansion still stands.

You're off by somewhere between 500 and 1,000 miles.

Epstein's island is in the vicinity of the U.S. Virgin Islands, east of Puerto Rico. The Bahama Island chain starts fairly close to Florida.

Thanks for ruining my evening.

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Originally posted by stiab:
The local news coverage from Raleigh was terrible. They insist on broadcasting storm coverage 24 hours a day, but only have about 10 minutes an hour of real updates and news. So it is the same old dribble over and over again. Here are 3 actual quotes from WRAL...

"The waves are coming in one right after the other."

"My hat would blow off if I did not hold it on".

"You can see the raindrops on the camera lens".

Man, I thought it was just me that thought this way. They tried so hard to make a catastrophic event out of a swing and a miss, at least for our area. Sure, the outer banks got blown around a bit, but it was a hurricane for God’s sake. This was a classic example of the news media trying to make something out of nearly nothing.
I didn’t watch all that much of their coverage, especially after it was obvious that it was not going to impact my area much at all. But never once did I hear them say “thank God, we got lucky, this really isn’t much of a threat except for the Outer Banks”. No, they kept up the fake drama.

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Originally posted by LS1 GTO:

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Originally posted by V-Tail:

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Originally posted by LS1 GTO:

I am wondering if, in the Bahamas, Epstein's mansion still stands.

You're off by somewhere between 500 and 1,000 miles.

Epstein's island is in the vicinity of the U.S. Virgin Islands, east of Puerto Rico. The Bahama Island chain starts fairly close to Florida.

Thanks for ruining my evening.

Sorry. I'll try not to do that again.

Our local station had folks giving out all sorts of great tips. The one person on the scene at a gas station:

"Don't go stations that don't have gas."

Even my wife shook her head when she heard that.

Orlando and North Carolina are only half an inch from each other on the map on my phone, in the immortal words of Bob Uecker it was "juuuuust a bit outside".

Well, the thing is with hurricanes and most of them. A 50-100 mile shift in it's path could mean all of the difference in the damage it creates or virtually none at all. A lot of times that is only a 5 degree or less difference in direction given the distance it's traveling. With this one, if it took a path 5 degrees West after the Bahamas, it would be a totally different scenario. If it was 50 miles further North when it went through the Bahamas, the damage they sustained would most likely not have been news worthy. So, you just don't know.

Haveme1or2, you have nothing else to say? I do hope we're clear on this.

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Originally posted by Haveme1or2:
The wind was crazy in south Charlotte.

Not sure where you’re originally from or how you define”crazy” winds, but I don’t think 20-30mph gusts (gust...occasional gusts, not sustained) as being “crazy”. Not to mention we didn’t get a drop of rain. Like a lot of other place it was completely overhyped by the news.

If we get an ice storm this winter you’ll have a better opportunity to use your generator though

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Originally posted by thumperfbc:

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Originally posted by jimmy123x:

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Originally posted by ArtieS:
The Bahamas got wrecked, but it was a non-event here, notwithstanding the news and local government hype.

I suppose the local gov's don't have much choice. If they don't hype it, and one person gets hurt, or power goes out for 15 minutes, they get criticized, if they do hype it and it doesn't happen, they look like over-reacting fools and people ignore the next one.

What a shit show. I really feel for the Bahamians. That's just horrible.

To put it in perspective. The only difference between what happened in the Bahamas and Florida with this storm was 80-100 miles. Nobody can predict where a hurricane is going to go.

Are you telling me that there is no discernible difference between Florida and the Bahamas in the areas of building code/construction standards, infrastructure, and elevation? I wouldn’t think those things are even remotely equal between mainland US and what some consider a third world country (arguable, I’m sure).

I’m no expert in any of the mentioned “areas” (construction, geography, or infrastructure) but it does seem a little doubtful.

He's not saying that,you're just not smart enough to understand what he did say, which is that if Dorian came 100miles closer to Florida, you and many others here would be all running around in circles because it hits the US instead of an island that you obviously know nothing about in terms of building codes, etc.

This is why jimmy was prohibited from posting in this thread for 48 hours. I don't have a dog in this fight. I just want the bickering and strong reactions to goofy comments to abate. I'm reminded of Bill Cosby when he disciplined his kids. Bill said "Parents are not interested in justice. They're interested in quiet."

jimmy, see if you can find a way to say what you wish to say in this thread, without the wacky allusions to condos repelling hurricanes, and stuff like that. And, everyone, else, just know that I'm monitoring this thread. so if the wacky comments keep coming, I'll tend to it. Let's just be cool, please.

Para, I'm trying not to create a shit storm and didn't intend for things to go that direction. It was not my intention.


That being said. The other thing a lot of Non-Floridians and non-coastal people don't understand, is that the majority of houses within 10 miles of the coast in FL (and most other states in GA/SC/NC) were built first and built a very long time ago before and were built long before modern hurricane standards or even building materials even existed. A lot of the houses were built strong in their day (at least in South Florida) and were typically CBS (Concrete block structure) walls, and etc. But let's just say that in the Miami, Fort Lauderdale, Palm Beach area's, all of these neighborhoods from the ocean and inland 5 miles were all built in the 1930's-the late 1960's and have an elevation above sea level of 5-10'. So unless someone went through the expense of mowing down an old house, and rebuilding since 2002 ish when the Dade County Hurricane specs (now called and adopted as the Florida Building Code) came to be and insurance companies follow (give deep discounts for being compliant), which is probably around 5% of the homes that are new, you're dealing with old structures from the 1930's-1960's in various states of modern hurricane standards AND various states of condition. A lot of people don't maintain their houses extremely well.


For example, in my house, built in 1966. I put a new roof with a modern underlayment that meets current hurricane code. I also put hurricane impact windows and doors on every opening, and also have Dade County approved shutters on top of all of the windows except for 3 openings, but they still have the Dade County hurricane approved windows. A lot of my neighbors haven't, or if they did, they did in the last few years. That being said, there are some things that are just not feasible to do, like adding all of the additional Truss tie downs for the roof, or having trusses closer together and things of that nature to have the entire house compliant to current Hurricane Standards. But my mom's house and sisters houses, they're 1/4 mile from the beach and built in the 50's, same CBS construction, they've only done some of their openings to meet FBC impact codes, but it doesn't count for a hefty insurance discount because every opening (door/window) needs to meet FBC code. But that's a lot of people here, they change old crappy windows but don't do the doors and garage door, or sliding doors.

In Wilma, a cat 2 that hit 20 miles south, my mothers house had a very strong and very large patio roof, it had 4x12" beams every 20" and the roof was 12'x40' long I watched as the wind miraculously blew it up off of all of the uprights (away from the house), it detached from where it was built as part of the house and the entire thing fell on the ground in 1 piece and was destroyed while we're standing just a few feet inside of the sliding glass doors and watching the wind. Yet aside from it peeling up 2 rows of concrete tile where it was attached to the houses roofing trusses, the house itself was fine.


There are no empty lots here, unless they mowed down an already built house, to build a new house. That being said, if a new house, built to all of the modern codes, were exposed to Hurricane Dorian when it hit the Abacos and Freeport, 180 mph winds gusting to 220 mph, 20-28' storm surge here it would most likely be destroyed. The FBC/Miami Dade codes only account for or need to meet 130 mph winds and gusts to 150 mph near the coast and 100 mph winds further inland. But the bulk of the population in Florida is within 15 miles of the coasts. OTOH all of these houses are still here and still standing after 50-90 years.

Here is the Florida building code and it has a lot of great info and pictures and stuff, but only homes built after 2002 ish, are to this code...….which is a minor percentage of the homes in Florida.

https://www.floridabuilding.or...publications/fbc.pdf

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Originally posted by Haveme1or2:
Someone here had the way this storm was acting and what to expect...he was told to stand down.
Turns out he was correct in most ways.

Point out where he was correct, other than stating the obvious (that weather / hurricanes / storm forecasts can change, ie the stating the obvious).

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Originally posted by jimmy123x:
Para, I'm trying not to create a shit storm and didn't intend for things to go that direction. It was not my intention.

I know that, jimmy. It's just your manner, it's not intentional. I know this.

I have a cousin I haven't seen in a very long time. He always had the best of intentions, probably still does, if someone hasn't shot him by now. Yep, always had the best of intentions, but, somehow, he always managed to get into some ridiculous predicament that a family member would have to help him untangle.

Y'see, after a certain point, it doesn't matter what's intended. The only thing that matters, is what is. I want you to keep this in mind when you post. Do your best to explain your thoughts clearly. Leave no room for doubt about what you're saying. When you type out a post, read over it carefully before you post it. Operate under the assumption that others may misunderstand what you're saying, and do your best to avoid such confusion.

An example of this would be to avoid suggesting that structures, no more than 30 or so feet tall, on the Atlantic shore will alter the direction of a monster storm. There's no need at this point to re-hash it or try to clarify. This is just an example.

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Originally posted by RHINOWSO:

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Originally posted by Haveme1or2:
Someone here had the way this storm was acting and what to expect...he was told to stand down.
Turns out he was correct in most ways.

Point out where he was correct, other than stating the obvious (that weather / hurricanes / storm forecasts can change, ie the stating the obvious).

Rhino, Haveme1or2 has already had a trip to the woodshed and I'm confident that he understands to choose his battles more carefully in this forum. Take it easy, please.

And the local fish wrapper, apparently not having had a sufficient opportunity to create mayhem in the public with Dorian, is now onto storm #2, which by the way, is hardly a storm at this point. Have I mentioned lately how much I loathe these people. https://www.orlandosentinel.co...36tbdnxty-story.html

A lot of friends of mine ran boats/yachts over to the Bahamas today chaulk full of supplies. There were a lot of fast center consoles (open 30-40' boats) with supplies and such that went. I haven't heard back from anyone that went over yet. But it sounds like a horrible scene over there from what I'm hearing. American tourists standing outside of the trashed Freeport/Grand Bahama airport for a couple of days, hoping a plane comes in that will take them home. The Fuel company on the East side of the island had all of the roofs to the very large fuel tanks blow off, those are filling with water/rain water etc. and they have barrels of oil leaking onto the ground. Bahama Bay Marina who first encouraged people to bring supplies now issued a statement basically saying it's total chaos at the marina and not to come(fighting and violence it reads like). It's a sad situation. I don't understand why the Bahamian Defense Force couldn't put 1-2 dozen troops on each island by now and have secured an area on each island and a point to safely bring in supplies and distribute help. It sounds like utter chaos, and a very unsafe situation for anyone trying to bring supplies in to help as Bahamians are trying to jump onto any boat coming in, in an effort to get a ride back to the U.S. or they're simply fighting over the donations or outright stealing them.

"FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE. September 7th 2019.

We have had over 70 vessels arrive in the marina today at Old Bahama Bay thanks to the efforts of our team here on the ground in the United States. Until civility and order can be achieved I am here by shutting down operations to OBB Marina. Old Bahama Bay is a privately owned marina and if need be we will turn vessels away. We feel this is the most humane way to continue our operations as we do not want our volunteers staff or country men in the Bahamas, to encounter any accidental harm. Please do not arrive at Old Bahama Bay until further notice thank you.

John MacDonald, President
Old Bahama Bay Resort and Yacht Harbour. "


Tank lids blown off:
bahamaspress.com/2019/09/05/an-environmental-disaster-unfolding-in-east-end-grand-bahama/?fbclid=IwAR2VFkPG3B3W0xRJfJEhB6_YcwEqLQmK36VI8WTU-sOo53sAAi_TXFhhtxY

Supplies one of my friends brought over on an 85'
https://www.instagram.com/p/B2...igshid=1ehm6iqof0eu2

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Ocracoke Island in the Outer Banks.




Link to original video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?...nBw&feature=youtu.be

Here are 2 video's of Dorian's damage in Marsh Harbor Bahamas. The first video is a drone video after the storm. The second video is during the storm and some after the storm, around the 12 minute mark is when the storm really hits in the video. The damage is uncomprehensible and really sad.

Drone video, after the storm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?...nue=44&v=_tr0NMRSCt8

Video during and after the storm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...ue=626&v=DV-PLJq4HD4

Thanks for posting.

My Mom in Nova Scotia was without power for 9 days due to Dorian.