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How can politicizing something that is an escape from politics for many EVER yield positive results? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The price of liberty and even of common humanity is eternal vigilance | |||
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The National Anthem will go. It's bad for business. Eventually, team owners will get tired of this foolishness, all this controversy getting in the way of ticket sales, TV revenue, sweatshirt and hat sales. Nothing "requires" the playing of the National Anthem. It is merely a tradition, and now controversial, may have to go. "Unthinkable," you say? They put in the designated hitter rule, didn't they? It's been ~40 years since the foundations of civilization were rocked, and while they teetered uncertainly for a long time, now my sons think it was always that way. It's the easiest thing to do. No one will win the argument and it's bad for business. They can't pray anymore either, and there have been no lightning strikes. Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | |||
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I wish just one prominent player would stand up, hold the flag in honor and say they don't approve of all of the disrespect.  | |||
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Would you do that with dozens of 330 lb strong as ox guys running around the field every play knocking each other on their butts? Ever see The Paper Lion? Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | |||
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Of course you are right. But what practicality can't replace is the sense one had when the anthem was sung during tough times and sacrifice. I still occasionally watch Whitney Houston's performance during the Gulf War. No one can tell me that the entire nation didn't feel it. A man once told me that years from now we will all forget what was said but we'll never forget how we felt about it. Take that out of spectator sports and the rest will fade away too eventually. Fine by me. I'll find my inspiration elsewhere. You’re a lying dog-faced pony soldier | |||
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MLB has monopoly protections from congress- or some such B.S. As such they get special treatment which can be revoked legislatively. ____________________________________________________ The butcher with the sharpest knife has the warmest heart. | |||
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I cannot imagine not standing for our National Anthem. This still puts a lump in my throat and wishing I could have taken a club to these sob's. [FLASH_VIDEO] Link to original video: https://youtu.be/73_wd91qk50 [/FLASH_VIDEO] | |||
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I believe y'all are right. They will remove the National Anthem but not the disrespectful players. “We’re in a situation where we have put together, and you guys did it for our administration…President Obama’s administration before this. We have put together, I think, the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics,” Pres. Select, Joe Biden “Let’s go, Brandon” Kelli Stavast, 2 Oct. 2021 | |||
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One happy thought. We will no longer have to endure the creative renditions of our National Anthem by artists and groups who want to be called musicians. I have a practice of muting the sound during the National Anthem when I have watched games unless I saw a college or military band doing the playing. Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | |||
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This simply reflects the way America really is today. Liberalism in education and the media really has created a generation of people in which a highly significant minority DO NOT respect our flag or our country. There would be one extremely simple solution to all this: immediately boycott the NFL and anything associated with the NFL. If the owners and advertisers feel it in the pocketbook, there will be change. If they don't....well, maybe the USA really doesn't deserve any further respect. Liberalism has won. "Crom is strong! If I die, I have to go before him, and he will ask me, 'What is the riddle of steel?' If I don't know it, he will cast me out of Valhalla and laugh at me." | |||
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This is a double post, but I am switching all my NFL comments to this thread. two points: 1. Pittsburgh Steelers will remain in locker room today while the anthem is played. 2. The owners support the kneelers. So now the focus should be on why the kneelers are kneeling. Do the NFL and the owners support the position that police all over the country are murdering black men ? Do the sponsors ? | |||
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When these spoiled multimillionaire athletes stop spending their riches on huge mansions, outrageously expensive cars and jewelry, and entourages, and start putting it into meaningful education, job training, and business investment programs for the communities they've turned their backs on, I'll respect their kneeling act. | |||
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Ya.... I'm switching to this thread too.... 1. I thought Tomlin's statement was pretty good. He doesn't want the distraction: "We're not going to play politics," Tomlin told Erdahl. "We're football players, we're football coaches. We're not participating in the anthem today -- not to be disrespectful to the anthem, but to remove ourselves from the circumstance. 2. Your second point is excellent. Let's see them asked that question....   "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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Spoke with an older gentleman at church today who I think has the correct view on this nonsense. Will the national anthem be removed from the game? Absolutely it will. Bad for business. Will removing it from the game change the downward trajectory of the NFL? Not one bit. If anything it may accelerate it. Ultimately, the NFL's time, like many other things in our culture, has passed. It will continue to decline in viewership and relevance until it becomes little more than an after thought. People are turning to other sports with their attention and dollars instead of football. And don't write off MLB just yet because one absolute nobody on a third rate team in Oakland decided to whore himself out for attention. This guy is beyond completely irrelevant. As already noted, this moron won't even be a part of MLB after the close of this season. MLB has seen a huge upswing in their appeal and viewership as the NFL ratings have plummeted, and I don't think the commissioner Joe Torre or the owners in general are going to sit idly by and watch that all disappear while a group of illiterates soils the sport. ----------------------------- Guns are awesome because they shoot solid lead freedom. Every man should have several guns. And several dogs, because a man with a cat is a woman. Kurt Schlichter | |||
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Redskins owner Daniel Snyder, among eight NFL owners who are significant Trump donors, had no comment “at this time,” according to a team spokesman. In closed-door meetings around the NFL, many players and coaches discussed whether and how to respond as the national anthem played before Sunday’s kickoffs. Pittsburgh Steelers Coach Mike Tomlin said in an interview Sunday morning that all his players would remain in the locker room during the playing of the national anthem before their game in Chicago. Redskins players held no such discussions, according to a person in the organization, speaking on condition of anonymity given the sensitive nature of the topic. He characterized the Redskins’ locker room as lacking in strong voices who care deeply about social issues. According to Ian Rapoport of NFL.com, the offensive line of the Oakland Raiders, who’ll face the Redskins at FedEx Field in the nationally televised Sunday night game, intends to sit or kneel during the anthem. On ABC’s “This Week with George Stephanopoulos,” Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin defended Trump’s comments about NFL players demonstrating during the national anthem. “This is about respect for the military, the first responders,” he said. Mnuchin also declined to criticize the coarse language Trump used, saying, “I think the president can use whatever language he wants to use.” Of the players, Mnuchin said: “They have the right to have their First Amendment off the field. This is a job.” Another White House official, Director of Legislative Affairs Marc Short, said on NBC News’s “Meet the Press” that Trump is standing with the “vast majority” of Americans who believe the flag “should be respected.” He added that Trump plans to take more action on improving race relations. “The president believes it is his role to improve race relations,” Short said. Seattle’s Pete Carroll was the first NFL head coach to issue a statement about the matter, posting on Facebook and Twitter that “there’s no longer a place to sit silently. It’s time to take a stand.” Carroll’s statement followed those of Seattle owner Paul Allen and cornerback Richard Sherman. Wrote Carroll:“We stand for love and justice and civility. We stand for our players and their constitutional rights, just as we stand for equality for all people. We stand against divisiveness and hate and dehumanization. We are in the midst of a tremendously challenging time, a time longing for healing. Change needs to happen; we will stand for change. May we all have the courage to take a stand for our beliefs while not diminishing the rights of others, as this is the beating heart of our democracy. As a team, we are united in a mission to bring people together to help create positive change. We can longer remain silent.” https://www.washingtonpost.com...m_term=.d6185b827872 This will be interesting on how this plays out. I would love to see some of the fans start to leave the game when they failed to stand for the National Anthem. Then as others watched, they decided to get involved as well and started to leave. So let the owners stand by and do nothing. Once this reaches critical mass, there will be a lot of damage done and someone will lose their shirt long term. 41 | |||
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Not only that but with the reports out about brain damage, playing football is likely to be seen in a different light, maybe even as child abuse to allow one's sons to play. Stadium fans may take a different view, but when I was a Charger season ticket holder 30 years ago, about a third of the stadium attendees were in the beer line or still tail gating during pre game festivities. Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | |||
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And to think we have overpaid spoiled "children" playing at various sport activities who think they are making a "Social Justice Warrior" statement by "taking a knee" as a form of protest against perceived "injustices". Tell that to a parent who lost their son or daughter in a conflict few understand. BTW, today is "Gold Star Mother's Day".  --------------------- DJT-45/47 MAGA !!!!! "Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it." — Mark Twain “Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard.” — H. L. Mencken | |||
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The team remaining in the locker room is the most cowardly of cop-outs! What....he's afraid that some WILL disrespect our flag ? If they just come out and stand...AS IS IN THEIR CONTARCTS...there will be no controversy at all. "Crom is strong! If I die, I have to go before him, and he will ask me, 'What is the riddle of steel?' If I don't know it, he will cast me out of Valhalla and laugh at me." | |||
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...and don't pay any attention should any of our players beat the hell out of their wives or girlfriends again, get caught again with illegal drugs again, or be arrested for breaking the law again. We're just all about bringing people together." Put a sock in it will ya, Pete. You've got a team of illiterate street thugs who contribute virtually nothing to the world around them...other than pain and suffering. ----------------------------- Guns are awesome because they shoot solid lead freedom. Every man should have several guns. And several dogs, because a man with a cat is a woman. Kurt Schlichter | |||
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