I normally accept an invitation for a super bowl party. This year, I will not. However, I don't believe anyone of my friends will be throwing a super bowl party this year.

Another question I have is about super bowl ticket sales. Who is hosting? When do sales start? Do we have numbers indicating lack of interest in football this year as it pertains to super bowl ticket sales?

I'd love to see tickets listed at $500, then $400, then $100 until they are simply listed at $15. If sales are dismal, why even have a super bowl in the first place? What's the half-time show going to be like? Who is performing?

I want to see advertisers pull out at the last minute. Why spend so much on a 30 second time slot if it isn't worth the money?

Tony.

You know if political lines were reversed here there would be rioting at every game.

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The NFL rule book specifically requires both teams appear on the field for the playing of the anthem, standing, remaining quiet, and holding their helmets in their left hands. Failure to do so can result in fines, suspensions, and the loss of draft picks.

Sorry no. It's a hoax that's been going around.
"There is no mention of the national anthem in the NFL rulebook. There are no pages A62 or A63, either.

Page 62 deals with a “Foul committed during passing play,” “Foul during a backward pass or fumble,” “Foul during free kick play” and “Four during scrimmage kick play.” Page 63 continues with the scrimmage kick play, and then deals with a “Dead ball foul and foul between downs"
Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/spor...1.html#storylink=cpy

Here's the rule book
http://operations.nfl.com/the-...s/2017-nfl-rulebook/



http://www.snopes.com/must-nfl-players-stand/
http://www.kansascity.com/spor...rticle175221581.html

Ratings may be going down and fans are angry but the Super Bowl is a corporate event and companies aren't going to back down from the biggest party of the year.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
Oh, I get it, jhe. It's all a joke to n you, because you find it laughable that anyone would even make an effort to let advertisers know how they feel. Yeah, I get it- you don't want to hlp and you think anyone who tries to have an effect on this matter by voting with their dollars, is a fool. That's what you're saying

No. I think no one can be consistent and boycott all advertising, which makes any given boycott random, capricious, and wholly dependent on convenience. And a half-measure boycott like that won't do a bit of good. If I don't buy a Ford, how Ford will get the message that it is because of their ads on Monday Night Football? But when I buy a Chevy, GM can't get that message. How will Ford know it isn't just because I prefer Chevrolets that I passed on the Mustang?

I do think boycotts like these are ineffective. I know of no recent boycotts along these lines that have influenced advertisers, and it is yet another step for influence on the advertisers to percolate down to the seller of advertising.

I also know this used to be your view, Parabellum. What factual information have you seen that changed your mind, as it clearly has changed? I understand the urge to do something, anything. But I see no reason to believe that boycotting some huge class of advertisers (like all football advertisers) will accomplish anything. If it is just a moral stance, then fine. But I don't see how a boycott like this can have any actual affect on behavior.

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Originally posted by Veeper:
RE: Boycotts

It's also possible that the ratings will collapse to a point where it's no longer as profitable to advertise. People are tired of their bullshit and will stop watching. I don't necessarily have to change my cheese product to have a positive influence on this.

My kid wanted to turn the Lions on yesterday. I told him no and offered to play catch outside instead.

THAT is the boycott that might work. If even 10% fewer people watch football on TV, that might get through. Imagine that 20% stopped watching. I guarantee that would get Goodell's attention. Revenue would plunge.

Boycotting advertisers is too attenuated from the affect you want to have.

Rush Limbaugh says

With Great Sadness, I Did Not Watch the National Football League on Sunday

Too long to post.

Just saw this...

Nice to see Americans voting with their checkbooks...its the only language the NFL speaks.



Only Steeler who took field for national anthem leads NFL in jersey sales

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sport...sey-sales/ar-AAssv9b

The NFL was the only professional sport I liked to watch, or follow through the season.

I grew up in the Bay Area and have been a 49ers fan since before Bill Walsh was coach.

Left the area in '77 and would always look forward to the opportunity of watching a 9'ers game when I could. Except when overseas, I hadn't missed a Superbowl since 1980.

That all changed last season. I haven't watch one second of NFL or ESPN since preseason LAST year.
This kneeling crap was the last straw for me, and they keep piling it on, making it worse.
I saw those photos of the teams in LOndon, and I was disgusted! And angry!

I won't repeat what's already been said about certain players and NFL management's behavior...except to say I'm disgusted by the hypocrisy and double-standard.

I love that the NFL is losing money and popularity. Hell, let go the same way the USFL did.

Icabod...

https://news.grabien.com/story...book-letting-players

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If even 10% fewer people watch football on TV, that might get through. Imagine that 20% stopped watching. I guarantee that would get Goodell's attention. Revenue would plunge.

While I agree... I don't know how these things are measured. I don't have a nielson box hooked up to my TV. If I turn it off... I'm still paying for it as long as I pay my cable bill.

Assuming antifa d-bags could recycle enough Coke cans currently being used to smoke pot out of and get the money for a ticket. Or maybe Soros would just buy them all tickets and try to sell it as an unsponsored grassroots movement.

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Originally posted by Ryanp225:
You know if political lines were reversed here there would be rioting at every game.

Mine can be measured- pitched Directv today and told them why.

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Originally posted by Icabod:

Sorry no. It's a hoax that's been going around.
"There is no mention of the national anthem in the NFL rulebook. There are no pages A62 or A63, either.

As pointed out by JALLEN's post, it is not the rulebook, but the Game Operations Manual , the league "bible", that specifies among many things, procedures for the Anthem.

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Originally posted by chellim1:

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If even 10% fewer people watch football on TV, that might get through. Imagine that 20% stopped watching. I guarantee that would get Goodell's attention. Revenue would plunge.

While I agree... I don't know how these things are measured. I don't have a nielson box hooked up to my TV. If I turn it off... I'm still paying for it as long as I pay my cable bill.

It's statistics, man. They run the numbers and know everything, just from that. Who's naughty, who's nice, where the bears shit in the woods.

Ya gotta know statistics, and all the secrets of the universe open up to you.

Those ungrateful Sons-of-Bitches can kneel all they want. They deserve all the shit the world can heap upon them.

I haven't watched football since Peyton retired, I'm not going to start back up any time soon.

Something as simple as a slump in sales would work, but a meh reaction to a big promotion or the introduction of new products would probably get advertisers' attention. All manufacturers really need is the vague sense that advertising on the NFL is the only variable that's different.

I was scrolling through facebook and saw from two liberal/socialist TV stations news that the Seahawks didn't go out on the field for the National Anthem.

Once I saw that the TV went off and he got a lesson to the fact that I won't watch or support people who pee on this nation's symbols.

I told him he could get his scores from Fox or other non-socialist news (i.e. no CNN, no ESPN).

I also told him he could watch college ball, and encouraged him to talk to the fire chief who loves football, but isn't even participating in the football pool at work due to his not watching NFL football due to their antics.

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Originally posted by jhe888:

What I am saying is: how do you pick? I don't think there is anyone with the willpower to jettison every NFL advertiser from their lives. There are too many, in too many segments of the market that are nearly ubiquitous.

Simple - by not letting perfection be the enemy of progress. Pick one. Pick 5 or 10. You don't HAVE to make sure you can stand in front of the Pearly Gates and attest to not having missed a single on in your outrage to be be able to have a meaningful impact if others are doing the same.

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Originally posted by Icabod:

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The NFL rule book specifically requires both teams appear on the field for the playing of the anthem, standing, remaining quiet, and holding their helmets in their left hands. Failure to do so can result in fines, suspensions, and the loss of draft picks.

Sorry no. It's a hoax that's been going around.
"There is no mention of the national anthem in the NFL rulebook. There are no pages A62 or A63, either.

Page 62 deals with a “Foul committed during passing play,” “Foul during a backward pass or fumble,” “Foul during free kick play” and “Four during scrimmage kick play.” Page 63 continues with the scrimmage kick play, and then deals with a “Dead ball foul and foul between downs"
Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/spor...1.html#storylink=cpy

Here's the rule book
http://operations.nfl.com/the-...s/2017-nfl-rulebook/



http://www.snopes.com/must-nfl-players-stand/
http://www.kansascity.com/spor...rticle175221581.html

Near the bottom of my post, this was dealt with, including the Snopes inaccuracy. From my earlier post:

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UPDATE: Snopes.com claims that this rule does not, in fact, exist. The article cites the rule quoted above and reports "No such wording appears in the 2017 version of the Official Playing Rules of the National Football League."

Yet the NFL's Game Operations Manual -- the 200-plus book the league refers to as its "bible" -- is different than its rulebook. It is not available to the public. The rule cited above comes from the league itself, via the Washington Post.

The Post reported Sunday that the NFL confirmed the rule's existence but emphasized their ability to enforce it selectively:

Under the league rule, the failure to be on the field for the anthem may result in discipline such as a fine, suspension or loss of a draft pick. But a league official said the key phrase is “may” result, adding he won’t speculate on whether the Steelers would be disciplined.

The specific rule pertaining to the national anthem is found on pages A62-63 of the league’s game operations manual, according to a league source.