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Doctors? Social workers? The answer for some will be predictable cop bashing. I get that. But, if there truly an answer, I’d say 100 years of what we have been is taking an aspirin for cancer. I’m hoping that this can be discussed without the usual sniping and personality conflicts. It is a sincere question. | |||
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Frangas non Flectes |
No, the guy who got shot is Brandon, the other guy ya'll are conflating him with is named Greg. Two different guys, full stop. Like, they were never physically the same guy ever, came out of different vaginas at different points in time, never cohabitated the same physical space in this plane of existence kinda different. I know lots of people who used to do a lot of drugs who don't do any drugs anymore. Some of them have the same name, lots of them were named different things.
Couldn't tell you. He said it was UW, but that covers some turf. Whether he meant the actual school, or a clinic, I didn't ask.
Great question, maybe worth a whole other thread. We can't even get recovered addicts to agree on effective treatment, and given that it's only been A Thing in human history to recover from alcohol or drug addiction in the last 80 years or so, I'd say it's still percolating. Those who refuse to get spiritual push SMART Recovery, some people say NA is the way, then some people graduate from decades of NA to AA (the OG since we're acronyming) and say it's the real deal. I couldn't tell you. I do know when people break the law, especially violently, police show up. That's kind of a "no shit" statement, but there it is. People in active addiction are mostly total shitbags, myself included, and we do some really evil shit. I'm not going to say the police shouldn't handle that. What I will say is asking for opinions on what's going on in a drug addict's brain from a bunch of cops is oddly specific and at the very least, isn't going to give a complete picture. I hope that seems fair enough. ______________________________________________ “There are plenty of good reasons for fighting, but no good reason ever to hate without reservation, to imagine that God Almighty Himself hates with you, too.” | |||
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Res ipsa loquitur |
I work with addicts on almost a daily basis. If I understand the OP's question, I would say people who huff are probably at the highest risk. Although, I see it in all drugs including alcohol and "weed" too. __________________________ | |||
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| Sigforum K9 handler |
It is fair. | |||
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| Banned for showing his ass |
Like "pulicords" ... I too am a long time LEO with Seattle ( now retired over five years). Agree, we are not mental health professionals but have received training, no matter how little in some minds, on how to deal with our folks on the street. In 2003, after 25 years on the department, I was enticed to come back to the street sharing my experience to the younger officers. Subsequently I has picked with another officer with my same time on the department to walk a foot beat on Capitol Hill in Seattle. A foot beat with more than its share of mentally ill, homeless and drug addicts. One can only imagine without walking in our shoes. My partner and I did the best we could do. One day, a year before I was to retire ... I received the following email. Anne was a ball of fire, a pain in the ass and a frequent flyer going to jail. Here is the email she sent me ... one that made my day and career worth while : Officer xxxx Seattle Police Department East Precinct Community Police Team 1519 12th Avenue Seattle, Washington 98122 Desk phone: 206-684-xxxx Email: xxxx@seattle.gov "Promise small, deliver big" -----Original Message----- From: Katie xxxx [mailto:xxxx@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2016 2:54 PM To: xxxx Subject: Thank you And yet one more incident has occurred reminding me why I don't care for police officers. I was on the side of 405 changing a popped tire this morning with my 3 children in the car when an officer pulled over. Instead of offering to help me he proceeded to accuse me and question me, then stand there and watch. This was a minor incident compared to some from the past, but everytime that happens I think of you. Every time I want to go off about how no cop has ever done anything for me I am forced to think of you. You might not remember what you did for me (a mere sandwich) but you probably do remember my name. It is Anne xxxx. Ring a bell? More than 10 years ago I was homeless in capital hill doing drugs and causing disturbances wherever I went. But you Sir, you and your partner always treated me like a person. And I just wanted to thank you today for being the only reason I believe good cops exist. I have been clean from narcotics for almost 11 years and free from alcohol for 2.5 years. My son is 10 years old, and my daughters are 8 and 1. I work full time 2 jobs and take care of them without any help. After I had changed my tire all by myself while this cop watched, my son asked me why cops don't help and what does serve and protect really mean? I had no answer for him. Only you came to mind Sir. So I wanted to let you know that, and to say thank you for being my only image of Serve and Protect today. *** The "sandwich" was one day on my foot beat I was leaving the QFC Broadway deli where they made sandwiches of us that were super thick with meat and veggies. So big that I could only eat one half. As my partner and walk out onto the street ... I saw Anne sitting on the sidewalk panhandling for her next fix.. through the many confrontations, I paused and offered Anne half of my sandwich that I knew I could not finish eating on my foot beat. Anne quietly took my half sandwich and I never thought about it again until the day she sent the above email. What is a mental health professional ... ? Is is a title, degree, certificate ? I don't know. Can it be experience with first hand experience ? Again, I don't know. What I do know, is that the small things I have done have gone a long way with helping others with their problems. Just sharing. | |||
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| Frangas non Flectes |
Fwiw, pulicords, I want to give a detailed reply to your post. It is thoughtful, and it deserves a similar effort in response. It's been a super busy afternoon and evening and I don't want my irreverent response earlier to be the only thing you get out of me. ______________________________________________ “There are plenty of good reasons for fighting, but no good reason ever to hate without reservation, to imagine that God Almighty Himself hates with you, too.” | |||
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| Banned for showing his ass |
Smudge ... thank you for your recent phone call. I enjoying chatting with you. This is a great thread with thoughtful responses. As in our phone conversation, there is lots more to be said than what is being shared here. Thank you for staying in touch. Miss you sir. | |||
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| Ammoholic |
It isn’t always easy, but it amazing how much treating everyone with respect, regardless of their situation, can do. | |||
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