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Originally posted by ChicagoSigMan:
This is the president of the Minneapolis City Council and another council member on Twitter. These fools are actually going to try to do this. Can't wait to see what this new model of public safety looks like...

I’ve been warning of this for years. The goal is to take all local police forces and replace them with a unified TSA style organization. Complete with a union.

Much easier to control and manipulate.

In my neck of the woods one major city has drafted new citizen interaction policies to be put forth later this year.

Basically would involve any citizen contact by patrol officers to only occur upon arrival of a supervisor or be necessary to prevent a life threatening crime. In essence if an officer wants to do a terry stop or approach a suspect involved in a crime in progress the officer must radio for a supervisor response, and only make contact when said supervisor arrives. The supervisor would be responsible for reporting to the station commander why he or she allowed the encounter, what was the outcome and what were the reasons for a punitive outcome such as an arrest or summons. In a motor vehicle stop the officer stopping a vehicle must give the description including ethnicity of the occupants and state over the air the reason for the stop. A patrol supervisor must respond and decide what the outcome of the stop will be and if it was justified. When the officer approaches the operator, he or she must give full name, badge and ID numbers, station assignment and the exact reason for stop The officer can request the DL and registration but no demand to produce such shall be made or enforced until a superior is on the scene; at the conclusion of the stop the motorist will be given a card with IA, DA’s Office and professional responsibility offices contact info to report the officer and rate the interaction or complain. The form will be kept in the officers file for future uses. The Supervisor who responds must approve whether a warning, citation or arrest will be made. Like in the other circumstances the supervisor must justify in writing to the commanding officer the reason for the action.

In essence a way to end policing without disbanding the police.

This summer is the perfect time for a Blue Flu. The absolute leftist morons, celebrities, etc. need a taste what a society without LE is all about. 24 hours is all it will take. IMO, LE have really no other choices to bring the point across.

What’s funny, is all these clowns and their “celebrity” homes/mansions..... if someone comes on the property they didn’t invite, guess who they are going to call? The Police. Guess who is their personal security? Off duty officers or former Police. Fucking morons. Yeah let’s defund the Police and let anarchy reign.

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Originally posted by esdunbar:
I actually hope they do this in a few cities. I'm honestly not sure what will happen. I don't think it would be good, but who knows. If they figure out a better way, I'm all for it. If they all get killed and their city burns, I think the others will learn something. For science!

Sometimes you don't appreciate something until you lose it. I honesty want to see the experiment if they want to try it.

I'm not sure if you're just screwing around with those comments. We've seen a good example of what human nature in these cesspool cities looks like, so its very easy to see what will happen if you remove the cops from the equation. That, and the elected morons running places like Minneapolis couldn't handle a wet dream without screwing it up, so they have 'zero' chance of getting anything right when it comes to enforcement of law (though I don't really think that's one of their goals).

Reference medical and psychiatric professionals responding on drug and mental calls rather than police, I would have been all for it before I retired from police work. Thing is, these professionals did not come in to a situation, until we made it safe for them. Even then, we much more often than not, were required to go to the ER, sometimes for hours, to keep the professionals and ER personal safe, while while the professionals decided whether their patients needed to go into voluntary or involuntary treatment or were OK to to released. Often they had committed crimes, and if medically released, we had a place for them to stay until they saw a judge the next morning...

BTW, as a patrol sergeant in the big city, even before today's Leftest identity politics environment, citizens complaints about officers, and my having to investigate each and every one, was the worst part of my job. IA only investigated the very big deals. Now if,as proposed in Boston, an officer could take no action till a supervisor responds and a commander is notified, we'd need many thousands of new sergeants and commanders, or tens of thousands fewer officers. In other words, any effective police work would grind to a halt in a bureaucratic quagmire. But of course, that result does seem to be desired by a significant percentage of the population....ymmv

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Several of us on the council are working on finding out what it would take to disband the Minneapolis Police Department and start fresh with a community-oriented, nonviolent public safety and outreach capacity,” he wrote.

Brilliant idea... erase the Thin Blue Line and replace it with “Pink Snowflakes” toe-dancing and politely requesting neck-tattooed, violent psychopaths to not perform any anti-social activities.

Words relating to Members of the Minneapolis City Council: Cretins, morons, imbeciles, Liberals.

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Originally posted by tleddy:
toe-dancing and politely requesting neck-tattooed, violent psychopaths to not perform any anti-social activities.

Well, they already have the blueprint for their "transformative" plan:

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Originally posted by bigdeal:

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Originally posted by esdunbar:
I actually hope they do this in a few cities. I'm honestly not sure what will happen. I don't think it would be good, but who knows. If they figure out a better way, I'm all for it. If they all get killed and their city burns, I think the others will learn something. For science!

Sometimes you don't appreciate something until you lose it. I honesty want to see the experiment if they want to try it.

I'm not sure if you're just screwing around with those comments. We've seen a good example of what human nature in these cesspool cities looks like, so its very easy to see what will happen if you remove the cops from the equation. That, and the elected morons running places like Minneapolis couldn't handle a wet dream without screwing it up, so they have 'zero' chance of getting anything right when it comes to enforcement of law (though I don't really think that's one of their goals).

I would like to see them actually do it. It's the fastest way to shut them up. Do it, if it works, I'll admit I was wrong. If you get murdered and your city burns, I'll still be chilling in my suburb and working.

I've been wanting our country to split for years. The left wing needs to be able to enact their policies without the right wing holding them back and visa versa. Let's have the ultimate experiment and see who was right.

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Originally posted by Prefontaine:
What’s funny, is all these clowns and their “celebrity” homes/mansions..... if someone comes on the property they didn’t invite, guess who they are going to call? The Police. Guess who is their personal security? Off duty officers or former Police. Fucking morons. Yeah let’s defund the Police and let anarchy reign.

Look up Chris Martin Palmer, an NBA reporter, who tweeted out initially to burn it all down...until it got too close to his gated community...then they became “animals” and, of course, all was fine because security was called it...he was all for the rioting...as long as it stayed in downtown LA and not his posh community.

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Originally posted by TSE:
Who will implement their gun control wet dream if the police are defunded and/or disarmed? I don't think they have really considered how much the left relies on force to pursue their own agenda.

What about the dangerous infected people who go to parks and the beach WITHOUT MASKS? Who's gonna arrest them now?

There are many places in the world one could go if he wanted to experience what life was like without effective policing. And some police forces offer the bonus of not only doing little to control crime, but being genuinely corrupt and abusive as well.

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I would like to see them actually do it. It's the fastest way to shut them up. Do it, if it works, I'll admit I was wrong. If you get murdered and your city burns, I'll still be chilling in my suburb and working.

I've been wanting our country to split for years. The left wing needs to be able to enact their policies without the right wing holding them back and visa versa. Let's have the ultimate experiment and see who was right.

Well.... they still want you to pay for it!

Singer Pink was all upset the Orange Man bad doesn’t represent half the country.

In other news, BHO didn’t represent half the country (or more) and she was strangely silent.

Maybe for the next Award Show bash the Police because of no funding they could skip the security for the crap show and let the celebs deal with the crowd themselves and all the weirdos that go to these things.

Defund celebrities.

Yes, the police in these areas will be defunded.

It is only a matter of whether the city councils do it intentionally or if happens due to lack of tax revenue.

This is the Detroit model. The area becomes unsafe, and people with a choice on where to live leave, causing a crash in property values, a bunch of foreclosed non tax revenue generating properties become eyesores, accelerating the effect, and more people leave.

As this happens, the revenue sources for the local government dry up, and the police (along with everything else) are defunded. Detroit is so broke DPD cant afford gas for patrol cars at sometimes.

I actually agree with defunding your police department if you want to destroy your city. the alternative model (Baltimore) where you just incentivize the cops to stop working and continue to pay them is much more expensive and ends at the same result.

It's a big country, if some cities want to self destruct, the people who enjoy that will self select to participate and everyone else can move elsewhere. People get the government they want, it's all part of living in a democracy.

Current thread in The Lair, but equally appropriate here

"I want to die a natural death at the age of 102 - like the city of Detroit."

- Wade Wilson

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Originally posted by car541:
Yes, the police in these areas will be defunded.

It is only a matter of whether the city councils do it intentionally or if happens due to lack of tax revenue.

This is the Detroit model. The area becomes unsafe, and people with a choice on where to live leave, causing a crash in property values, a bunch of foreclosed non tax revenue generating properties become eyesores, accelerating the effect, and more people leave.

As this happens, the revenue sources for the local government dry up, and the police (along with everything else) are defunded. Detroit is so broke DPD cant afford gas for patrol cars at sometimes.

I actually agree with defunding your police department if you want to destroy your city. the alternative model (Baltimore) where you just incentivize the cops to stop working and continue to pay them is much more expensive and ends at the same result.

It's a big country, if some cities want to self destruct, the people who enjoy that will self select to participate and everyone else can move elsewhere. People get the government they want, it's all part of living in a democracy.

No more School Resource Officers (SRO) in Portland, OR. School superintendent stopped the program and the mayor agreed.

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It's a big country, if some cities want to self destruct, the people who enjoy that will self select to participate and everyone else can move elsewhere.

But we already know how that will pan out, as we see it with the high tax crowd. The people will choose destruction, get tired of the destruction, move to a nicer area, and then work on destructing it.

Locusts and the left have a lot in common.