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The Pro Bowl is currently flag football. It's not 'silly' to suggest that the game is moving towards that model. A contact sport played at high speeds will only be so safe. I believe it's 'silly' to believe the game will continue to encourage hard hits. That receiver came over the middle and stretched himself out for the ball...any defensive back would have delivered a hit leading with the shoulder.

Yeah... the Pro Bowl is a vacation and a walk through practice where no one is expected to try too hard or especially not get hurt.

But the rest of the league isn't going to be the Pro Bowl because these guys are all competitive.
Having said that, I'm glad this guy, Damontae Kazee, has been suspended for rest of season. That was uncalled for.



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It was absolutely called for...what kind of defensive back is going to let that mutt float across the middle and catch the ball. That's insulting to the defender. Clearly you guys are correct, though...the league did suspend him for the rest of the season. The Pro Bowl hasn't always been flag football...it used to just use special rules that limited contact.
 
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In case anyone missed it, Tom Brady said this:
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"Nobody likes seeing players get hurt. But hard hits happen," Brady said via his official account. "QBs should not be throwing the ball in areas where they are exposing their own teammates to these types of hits. Coaches need to coach better, QBs needs to read coverages and throw the ball to the right places and defenders should aim for the right hitting areas. To put the blame on the defense player all the time is just flat out wrong. Need better QB play!! It’s not OK QBs to get your WRs hit because of your bad decisions!"

He make a good point, and VERY valid one at that! And, he ought to know!


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Tom Brady is correct obviously but that doesn't mean that QB's won't throw bad passes that leave the receiver wildly defenseless. I used to love watching Ronnie Lott and the Raiders stickem guy (?) demolish those receivers. At the time I didn't realize how dangerous and life altering those hits were. The rules are in place for the QB who throws that ball anyways, because it is very self serving to throw that ball instead of taking the sack or throwing it away. Brady is also the poster child for benefitting from said rules, I say that as a Brady fan. He is the GOAT.

Having rules that protect players from avoidable injuries and not just relying on the QB not throwing the pass is probably a reasonable middle ground. Maybe I am wrong.

I see the idea that the league is soft, it certainly is "softer" than the old days. It is especially so with QB's. Protecting some guy from an unnecessary vicious hit that are dangerous can't/shouldn't be be a bad idea. Maybe they aren't getting it quite right, but they have to protect these guys as well as they can within the confines of a rough sport.

Banned for the year? Anybody seen the body of work hit wise that the NFL was working under? I don't follow the Steelers so that might be the first play I have ever seen that guy in. How bad were the other ones?
 
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Hell, the guy would have been down with a touch of a hand.


Stripping the ball or separating the ball from the receiver are a huge part of defensive football today. That said, the only chance of this being a completion would be touching him down. And yeah, initiating contact with the helmet is a foul but isn't targeting the head also not legal?


If you'll refer to my follow-on post at 8:33pm, you'll see I also noted the desire of the defense to cause a fumble...but still...




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Banned for the year?

Three games if the Steelers don’t make it to the play-offs.
 
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If you want to see the basketball example of this kind of crazy, go google Draymond Green smacking the shit out of a guy recently. Big suspension as well (I believe, I hate the NBA so I'm not sure).


I was going to post about Draymond Green. He is a despicable person, he STOMPED on Domantas Sabonis.

He is a repeat offender and should be banned for life but he keeps getting away with many things

The list goes on and on, he seems to like to punch and kick other players in the testacles. It’s deliberate.
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I guess I don't understand the rule. I watched that game, and saw the hit and the ejection.

It was a hard hit, no doubt, but it didn't look like helmet to helmet, or what is traditionally considered a defenseless receiver (up in the air, full extension, gets hammered, etc.).

My initial thought was that it was a hard, but legal, shoulder hit to the mid-body.

At this point, I don't understand what the standard is for legal, vs. illegal, hit.



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My initial thought was that it was a hard, but legal, shoulder hit to the mid-body.


Not what I saw. Shoulder hit to the face, looking at the X video on the first page of this thread.




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That would make a difference.



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I wish there were other angles and slo-mos though.
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Just from that video, it doesn't look particularly malicious. But if he has an established pattern of dirty hits, I could see it being a different story.
 
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Update:

I just watched the full speed video on the MSN website, and from that depiction it looks really bad.
 
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Plus everything I have read from the NFL quite clearly states the punishment is HARSH because he has a history of similar illegal hits. That is why I asked if any Steeler fans could speak to his previous history. I honestly have never heard of the guy til this. He didn't get banned for this hit, this was the final straw.

Everyone should go watch the Draymond Green stuff. It is over the top crazy. Like nuts on top of a fruitcake crazy.
 
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Tom Brady is correct obviously but that doesn't mean that QB's won't throw bad passes that leave the receiver wildly defenseless. I used to love watching Ronnie Lott and the Raiders stickem guy (?) demolish those receivers. At the time I didn't realize how dangerous and life altering those hits were. The rules are in place for the QB who throws that ball anyways, because it is very self serving to throw that ball instead of taking the sack or throwing it away. Brady is also the poster child for benefitting from said rules, I say that as a Brady fan. He is the GOAT.

Having rules that protect players from avoidable injuries and not just relying on the QB not throwing the pass is probably a reasonable middle ground. Maybe I am wrong.

I see the idea that the league is soft, it certainly is "softer" than the old days. It is especially so with QB's. Protecting some guy from an unnecessary vicious hit that are dangerous can't/shouldn't be be a bad idea. Maybe they aren't getting it quite right, but they have to protect these guys as well as they can within the confines of a rough sport.

Banned for the year? Anybody seen the body of work hit wise that the NFL was working under? I don't follow the Steelers so that might be the first play I have ever seen that guy in. How bad were the other ones?

You’re talking about Jack Tatum who paralyzed Darryl Stingly.

With all the NFL is trying to do to avoid future CTE in players it’s pretty obvious an illegal hit. Any hit to the head just like hockey is a no go anymore. I love hard hits but hits to the head are completely unnecessary. They aren’t getting rid of hard hits at all. You can hit someone as hard as you want as long as you don’t go for the head.
 
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No the Raiders stickem guy was the guy who got stickem banned from the league. You made me look him up. Lol. Lester Hayes. That dude would have so much gunk on his hands it was comical. And he delivered huge hits. Jack Tatum did paralyze Stingly but that wasn’t who I was talking about. It was wild back then.

I agree with the head shot stuff you said. I also think the rules on being defenseless make sense too. I get it rankles the “purists” but nobody needs to die/paralyzed for a game.
 
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I tell ya, it's a damn shame that discussion of the Super Bowl is not going to be allowed in the forum. No excited talk about the teams, leading up to the game. No talk about it on the day of the game. No talk about the commercials, not one mention of any of it.

If I hadn’t read this thread, in particular this comment I would not have heard anything about a Super Bowl ban.
Did I miss a thread?


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I haven't yet announced it officially.

The NFL despises us. Most of the players despise us.

People are insane when it comes to this event, but the truth is that it's not important, really, and I don't want this forum used to celebrate the obscenity and madness of it all.
 
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Great, my team finally has a legit shot and we get banned! Lol
 
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No the Raiders stickem guy was the guy who got stickem banned from the league. You made me look him up. Lol. Lester Hayes.

Freddie Biletnikoff was Mr. Stickum.


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I meant Lester Hayes was the guy who got stickem banned. Which is why the rule was referred to as the Lester Hayes rule, not the Fred Biletnikoff rule. lol. As teammates I am pretty sure Biletnikoff taught Hayes how to use it, he just took it to a crazy extreme.
 
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