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Originally posted by 6guns:
Hell, the guy would have been down with a touch of a hand.

Well, yes, it seems that way to me, but heck, what do I know? Based upon some of the comments here, the tackler should have smashed the guy's guts out, then ate them raw.

After all, we're tough and all that. I guess.

Football is life, so let's kill somebody.

I’m curious. What are the rules if that hit had not happened? It looks like the receiver had caught the ball and would have landed on the ground. He wouldn’t have been allowed to get up and keep running, correct? If so, what purpose did the hit serve?

Ha. I see 6guns and Para posted while I was typing.

If he was not touched or "downed", he could get up and keep running.

There's also the argument that the tackler wanted to cause a fumble....but at what cost? The guys neck?

Nowinski is an interesting guy from my home town. Harvard graduate and Boston University Phd. Professional wrestler. CTE is his main passion and life's work.

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then ate them raw.

Good thing no females infiltrating this sport!

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Originally posted by nhracecraft:
^^^So based on that video, he did NOT lead with his helmet...All shoulder! Seriously though, how else is it 'supposed' to make this hit/tackle?

Honestly, after viewing that, I agree with Tom Brady on this one...The QB set him up to take that hit!

He was diving. No hit or tackle was necessary. He'd be down with a tap.

No, let's kill him.

Because, after all, football is more than just a game. Or so I'm told.

Somehow, this shit really, really matters. The guy with the ball doesn't deserve to live. Go, team exclamation point exclamation point

Was this committed out of malice, or the normal aggression, with an assumption of risk, expected from a contact sport? Dick Butkus, who was famous and feared for his hard hitting, probably couldn't play today.

Of course he could play, that's just a silly line of commentary. Butkus would do the same thing that every player in every sport does every year. Adjust to the new rules. Or get penalized constantly, ejected, or banned for habitual penalties.

The game has adjusted because the impact on these players is life altering and life shortening. To not adjust the rules is lunacy. We aren't watching gladiators in the Coliseum no matter how much some guys fantasize about this. It also isn't combat. It is a rough physical game. That is it. I find it entertaining but my entertainment shouldn't be at the expense of some guy being able to walk.

Yes, a simple touch and that receiver was down.

If you want to see the basketball example of this kind of crazy, go google Draymond Green smacking the shit out of a guy recently. Big suspension as well (I believe, I hate the NBA so I'm not sure).

I think it was a bit harsh.
Let 'em play.
Too many restrictions.
One thing I don't understand why they don't just pad up more.
Especially in the helmet.
I think it was Don Bebe of the Bills that had a padded exterior on his helmet.
It lessens the impact and both giving and getting hits.
Otherwise might as well convert the NFL to flag football.

Once again, silly commentary. Comparing todays tighter rules protecting players to playing flag football is ridiculous. Getting hit at full speed by a guy who weighs 240 lbs and can run the 40 the mid 4's is about as far from flag football as paper planes are to the space shuttle. You and I could play flag football for hours, we wouldn't last one play in the NFL.

There might be 3 guys on this forum who could take a hit on an NFL scale and get up and walk away. All your high school, and yes even college, experience playing football is nothing compared to the NFL.

Every mother fucker on a pro team was the best guy on your team except they all are better than that guy. Bravado. That is all this is. Even with rules to protect players they are getting the shit kicked out of them, they are still getting concussed on a regular basis, and I suspect a lot of them will still suffer from CTE.

Now the QB rules are a bit soft but I think that is purely a financial decision.

Pretty even keeled reasoning Pedro. That's pretty much where I stand.


You JERK! /Lovitz

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Originally posted by nhracecraft:
^^^So based on that video, he did NOT lead with his helmet...All shoulder! Seriously though, how else is it 'supposed' to make this hit/tackle?

Honestly, after viewing that, I agree with Tom Brady on this one...The QB set him up to take that hit!

Ummm…tap him when he hits the ground? Too easy?

I agree. Break his freakin' neck. Spinal injuries are just part of the game. And like I said, this is important shit. It's NOT just a game. It really DOES mean something. Maybe.

No matter how hard a guy is hit, no matter how much unsportsman-like conduct is exhibited, it's not enough.

Buncha pussies.

Matter of fact, let's kill some guys on the opposing teams via drive-by shootings. You know, be proactive, because the only thing that matters is supporting an organization which hates us err I mean the only important thing is to win.

I tell ya, it's a damn shame that discussion of the Super Bowl is not going to be allowed in the forum. No excited talk about the teams, leading up to the game. No talk about it on the day of the game. No talk about the commercials, not one mention of any of it. Why, it will be as if this obscenity err I mean spectacle never existed. Damn shame, because it's really important to support an organization that despises most of us.

The guy who decided that is an ASSHOLE. Hear me? An asshole!

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Originally posted by pedropcola:
Once again, silly commentary.

It is so GREAT when you come into a thread that's a couple of pages long or longer and just drop a blanket statement condemning most of the comments in the thread (and not just slamming the comments, but also the members themselves- totally NOT a VERY RUDE AND UNCALLED FOR thing to do), because after all, you're King Shit. We wait hear to hear your criticism of us, because it's well-deserved and we know that we deserve your scorn.

Obviously, it's a special talent you have, knowing how just about everyone who posted before you is wrong. I've often wondered why you wait until there are a lot of posts in a thread to come in and shit on what has been said, but then I suddenly realized that that's the only way this technique can possibly work. You have to let people comment before you, because otherwise, how can you tell them their opinions are fucked up? That is so cool, you know? I am in awe.

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Originally posted by 6guns:
Hell, the guy would have been down with a touch of a hand.

Stripping the ball or separating the ball from the receiver are a huge part of defensive football today. That said, the only chance of this being a completion would be touching him down. And yeah, initiating contact with the helmet is a foul but isn't targeting the head also not legal?

Yikes para. Context. I posted directly referring to the Butkus couldn’t play comment and the pro football is becoming flag football comment. Yes, that is silly commentary.

Dick Butkus would still be amazing. He would also adjust to the rules. NFL is nowhere near in danger of becoming flag football.

If you think I was commenting on every single comment as being silly you are misreading it. Yep, it’s your forum but I wasn’t mean or rude or anything in those two comments. Hell if anything your comments and mine are pretty similar in tone and context.

I am watching my posting. If you still think I’m out of line just say so and I will stop posting but I’m not walking on eggshells here. I can’t even comment now without a criticism of a simple comment. I enjoy this forum but you are giving me grief for those two posts?

Please reread what I said. The first post responded to “Butkus couldn’t play today”. Silly. Second post, “it might as well be flag football”. Also silly.

I’m watching my p’s and q’s. Those weren’t out of line. And by the way it’s page 2 of a thread that was started yesterday. The post was started at 5 am and I posted at 9 pm that day.

If you want me gone that is completely up to you. No dramatic anything on my part but it seems you are annoyed with me regardless of what I post. You read way too much into my comment. I have apologized in the past and meant it. I don’t apologize for those two comments because I think you read something I didn’t say. It was not a blanket statement about the thread. It was specific to the two posts I mentioned. I also wasn’t calling the poster silly, I was calling his point silly. I disagree with him, no personal attack intended. That’s it.

OK, my mistake. No, I do not want you gone. I meant what I said to you previously. Also, I appreciate your measured response to my harshness.

However, you have had a tendency to enter threads and express overarching criticisms. When I say I don't care for this kind of behavior, it is not meant as an attack on you; I don't like to see this kind of thing from anyone.

Having said that, then, I hope you will accept my apology for misinterpreting your remarks and overreacting.

No apology necessary. I sent you an email while you posted this so this might be redundant. I will continue my quest to be less overarchingly critical. lol (that was my attempt at levity)

The Pro Bowl is currently flag football. It's not 'silly' to suggest that the game is moving towards that model. A contact sport played at high speeds will only be so safe. I believe it's 'silly' to believe the game will continue to encourage hard hits. That receiver came over the middle and stretched himself out for the ball...any defensive back would have delivered a hit leading with the shoulder.

I put the Pro Bowl right up there with the NBA All Star game. Waste of time to me. I will grudgingly give the NBA credit because they have somehow made the All Star game a viable entertainment venue. Not to me, I can't stand the NBA, but they have revitalized it, people actually look forward to it. The Pro Bowl needs an update. Badly. They added skills contests and whatnot some years back but it needs more than that. I wouldn't be surprised if the Combine gets better ratings than the game itself.

And yes, I agree, neither one of those games are truly games. Which is kind of understandable but also makes them hard to enjoy watching.