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Little ray of sunshine |
I don't think this is a message. That isn't really what the court does. They got they case which is the next step after Heller. Heller was "guns at home" and this is "guns in public." It is the logical next step and there is absolutely a split in the circuits on this issue. The fish is mute, expressionless. The fish doesn't think because the fish knows everything. | |||
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Justice Roberts is an odd duck. I picture him always looking over his shoulder at a personally-threatening storm cloud as he deliberates on Constitutional cases. ____________________ | |||
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Chilihead and Barbeque Aficionado |
Hoping that’s the way it turns out, jhe. _________________________ 2nd Amendment Defender The Second Amendment is not about hunting or sport shooting. | |||
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RBG kicked the bucket with only weeks to spare. We got lucky on that one. -c1steve | |||
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Gracie Allen is my personal savior! |
^^^ Well, there are reasons why majorities vote to hear cases, and there are reasons why majorities vote to hear cases. As far as Ginsberg being gone eventually, we were always going to "get lucky" in that sense - it was just a matter of time.
Not necessarily. A 'friendly' county may be more apt to couch the denial in a way that the courts will review, may want the question to be decided on the basis of 'shall issue' because it either protects them from liability or protects the county commissioners from political heat, and may be less apt to play games when it comes to being more responsive and fair during discovery, responding in a timely manner, limiting legal arguments to those that make reasonable sense and so forth. I don't know what the county's motive/s are/were, but (FWIW) those may become more apparent as this plays out. | |||
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Too old to run, too mean to quit! |
My belief as well. Elk There has never been an occasion where a people gave up their weapons in the interest of peace that didn't end in their massacre. (Louis L'Amour) "To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical. " -Thomas Jefferson "America is great because she is good. If America ceases to be good, America will cease to be great." Alexis de Tocqueville FBHO!!! The Idaho Elk Hunter | |||
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I'm Different! |
I've been following Josh Blackman's YouTube channel & his First Amendment class. The last 3 classes (IIRC) were about the Second Amendment. He postulated that Roberts was the main reason that none of the previous cases were granted certiorari: that Roberts indicated he would vote for the government. He even went as far as to claim (as his opinion) that Roberts & Kagan had a deal to keep from granting certiorari for cases. His analysis.
“Agnostic, gun owning, conservative, college educated hillbilly” | |||
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fugitive from reality |
The piece of language in question is: 'A license for a pistol or revolver, other than an assault weapon or a disguised gun, shall be issued to have and carry concealed, without regard to employment or place of possession, by any person when proper cause exists for the issuance thereof' It is a very rare case that an individual is denied a pistol license in NY State. It is always a question of restrictions placed on said license. In recent years the issuing authority, usually a judge, has relied on the phrase 'proper cause' to deny unrestricted or full carry. If your 2a rights apply outside the home, then NY's 'proper cause' restriction is unconstitutional. _____________________________ 'I'm pretty fly for a white guy'. | |||
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Now in Florida |
Set for oral argument on Nov. 3. | |||
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His Royal Hiney |
That's the first time I read that. That's eloquently and logically stated. "It did not really matter what we expected from life, but rather what life expected from us. We needed to stop asking about the meaning of life, and instead to think of ourselves as those who were being questioned by life – daily and hourly. Our answer must consist not in talk and meditation, but in right action and in right conduct. Life ultimately means taking the responsibility to find the right answer to its problems and to fulfill the tasks which it constantly sets for each individual." Viktor Frankl, Man's Search for Meaning, 1946. | |||
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Oral Arguments are scheduled to get under way at 10 a.m. Eastern, 7 a.m. Pacific on Wednesday, November 3 and should take roughly an hour or so to complete. SCOTUS will stream live oral argument audio on its website. https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/live.aspx | |||
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Listened to about an hour of it starting in the middle of Mr Clement's argument(s). Really impressed with him, he's the attorney for the "good" side. The lady arguing against, Solicitor General Underwood not so much. Basically her sole argument is that people carrying guns in crowded places is dangerous and scares people. Of course when asked she couldn't provide any stats from other states that are "shall issue" that back up her claim that more guns in the hands of law abiding citizens equals more shootings. It was also quite funny when the Justices pointed out the irony in that someone upstate can easily get a permit to carry in the woods where there are no people, but someone who travels late at night through bad neighborhoods cannot unless they can show a direct personal threat. As if a mugger or other criminal will give you a heads up so you can prepare. The main argument Mr Clement made that the Solicitor General could not refute was that there is no provision in the Constitution for a citizen to have to provide cause to exercise their rights. I'm not familiar with all the details of this case or how far a judgement might go, but I definitely see the portion of the law that requires proof of need for an "unrestricted" license being struck down. Of course I hope they toss the whole bloody law out the window but I don't see that happening. Mongo only pawn in game of life... | |||
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hello darkness my old friend |
Yeah The arguments were fascinating. The state, in its defense of the NY gun laws, argued that New Yorkers don't need guns because its a highly populated urban area and they have a high number of police officers in a dense area. It was very interesting that the left has vilified the cops and then relied upon them to try and make their argument. | |||
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Does anyone know of a audio link or transcript of the hearing? I was umable to lusten live. | |||
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Little ray of sunshine |
Try https://www.scotusblog.com/ . They may have a recording. The fish is mute, expressionless. The fish doesn't think because the fish knows everything. | |||
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Gracie Allen is my personal savior! |
^^ Should be available later today. http://www.supremecourt.gov/or...ment_transcript/2021 | |||
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E tan e epi tas |
“How many muggings take place in the forest??” BOOM!! "Guns are tools. The only weapon ever created was man." | |||
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Lighten up and laugh |
The doom and gloom headlines from the media are quite enjoyable right now. | |||
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https://www.c-span.org/video/?...bruen-oral-arguments Wait a mere few seconds until the audio feed loads. | |||
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E tan e epi tas |
There is a YouTube video as well. "Guns are tools. The only weapon ever created was man." | |||
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