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It is also reported that the elite security team that protected Maduro and his wife were all Cuban. As much as I am not surprised it shows how much the Cuban government was propping up the whole Venezuelan regime. _________________________ "An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile - hoping it will eat him last” - Winston Churchil | |||
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Did anyone think that Maduro's message to Trump that he was ready to discuss the drug trade, was actually saying, "I am ready, pick me up at 0200 at my place"? ____________________________ "Fear is a Reaction - Courage is a Decision.” - Winston Spencer Churchill NRA Life Member - Adorable Deplorable Garbage | |||
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My only question is how are we supposed to be in charge in Venezuela? We have no presence there right? Have the remaining leadership said they will do what the US tells them to? | |||
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I think Trump/Rubio are correct at this time for not installing Gonzalez/Machado as the next government for several reasons: 1) Trump really has no leverage on Gonzalez/Machado. Once installed, they could just as easily flip off the US and open the door to China again (and others such as the EU). Actually, in one of her interviews, she said that if she runs the government there, she would open the doors to all international countries and companies to help Venezuela back on its feet. Trump/Rubio only wanted American companies to rebuild (especially oil companies). 2) Trump still has quite a bit of leverage on Rodriguez and her base of support (interior minister and defense minister). These ministers have open indictments against them and they don't want to end up like Maduro in a NY prison. This leverage can be put to good use - do it our way or else.. Since the people running the government still have open indictments against them, Trump can continue to park the warships there for pressure/leverage. Time will tell if Rodriguez and her people will work with Trump/Rubio. What she and her ministers say publicly may not reflect their true intentions and what they say in private channels and what they'll do. | |||
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The answer to your question is people really should get familiar with way Donald Trump speaks. We are not in charge in Venezuela. We are not going to "run things". We are- through our diplomatic might and the implied threat of further military action- going to influence some of that country's policy for a finite period of time. | |||
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^^^^^. Yep. ________________________________________________________ It is long past time for a Convention of States. The Founding Fathers gave us this tool to fix an out of control government and we need to use it. | |||
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I think this should be our foreign policy throughout the world, except for the part about finding oneself in a US courtroom. Obviously, any enemy of America in our "justice" system will get the best legal defense the Dems can find for them. I'd rather they get dropped from a chopper over the ocean or "died while being taken into custody." Our justice system is a joke. Bad guys need to know they have zero chance, not some chance (via our leftist legal system), when opposing the US. Freewill Firearms 07 FFL, Class 2 SOT | |||
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Somebody asked earlier why Maduro was taken to and be eventually tried in NY. It’s because the original indictment in March 2020 was in the US District Court for the Southern District of New York (SDNY). So, my thinking is that they really had no other choices than to stick with the same Court, unfortunately. And, with that, they will be stuck with a Clinton judge.  Q | |||
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The bigger problem, is how can you change the government long term, if all of the old regime is still there? When Castro died, absolutely nothing changed in Cuba. While they may lie in wait, eventually they'll just go back to business as usual I think. | |||
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Is it possible that Trump is not overthrowing the gov, just bringing a criminal who happens to be in gov to account. In doing so, let the prevailing process for replacement happen. After that, just assure that the gov doesn't corruptly maintain status quo. IOW, let the people remove the next in line through due process and fairly vote in the preferred gov, which will likely be more aligned w/ Trump interests. End result is the same but through due process, not by externally overriding their gov. The people may not want the person next in line - it's their duty to remove and replace that person, not Trump. "Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it." L.Tolstoy "A government is just a body of people, usually, notably, ungoverned." Shepherd Book | |||
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Saigonsmuggler, You couldn’t be more wrong with point #1. Research first who Machado is, you’ll realize she is more aligned with Trump than anyone in Latam short of Milei would be (and I’d rank her above Milei). As to konata, the people have already voiced and voted, and there has been zero change. There’s a reason 8 million Venezuelans are outside the country - with Cuban, Russian and Chinese support, only American military intervention would cause any sort of regime change. There’s a reason 40 Cubans are dead today. | |||
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But won't Trump assure that the voice of Venezuelan people are heard and given the opportunity to put their desired leaders in place via fair and uncorrupted due process? Or is it that, at this point, no matter what, the desired leaders will not run the country w/o explicit US military intervention? "Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it." L.Tolstoy "A government is just a body of people, usually, notably, ungoverned." Shepherd Book | |||
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Based on what has happened in other Latin socialist countries (and Venezuela), when one leader of a totalitarian power is removed or dies, the status quo remains unless there is external force projected. Chavez died, Maduro took over in Venezuela. Maduro is gone, Rodriguez has been very vocal about continuing the “revolution” etc etc. Castro died, Raul took over. Raul died, Manuel took over in Cuba. Same thing. They who have the guns and military, hold all the power. By now, with 30 years of uninterrupted rule in Venezuela, the military is all politically aligned with socialism; everyone else is long purged. The only thing that would cause any sort of course correction is the very real threat (with the knowledge that it WOULD happen) of US military intervention if the US demands aren’t met. Quite frankly, I don’t think the threat is enough… | |||
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Maduro's regime is still in-charge of Venezuela, he's not around but all his lieutenants are still in-place and contemplating how much do they 'cooperate' with what the US DOJ and State Dept wants and how much do they dig-in and thumb their nose at the US. It's going to be up to the Venezuelan's to push back against the existing security apparatus and the criminal gang's that Maduro's govt utilized to do their dirty work. It'd be a nice story for Machado to return and be the president but, she and Gonzalez are both very much at-risk of being assassinated. Chuck Holton, an indépendant journalist, former Ranger who was apart of the Panama invasion back in '89 who currently lives in Panama, is proving some good 'ground-truth' insight to the situation on the Colombia/Venezuela border. Interesting scene of all the international journo's set-up at the border crossing. Good interview from several weeks ago with Daniel DiMartino, Venezuelan who's also contributed on City Journal, by the two guys at Triggernometry providing some perspective to how wrecked Venezuela is. | |||
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Is he wearing underwear on his head? . | |||
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But in your examples, aren't they just natural succession of the dictatorships? The people never really get a voice in who's next. Whereas here, the US is not installing new leadership but letting succession happen via due process. The difference is that the US will assure a fair due process which allows the voice of the people to be heard and install the leadership they want. So, the US isn't removing and installing a new, US chosen gov, just allowing the people to freely choose who they want. In the other cases, the people never had a choice. Or perhaps I'm still viewing this too simplistically and/or incorrectly. "Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it." L.Tolstoy "A government is just a body of people, usually, notably, ungoverned." Shepherd Book | |||
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I was under the impression that he worked for Newsmax. He was with them in Ukraine, but he may have gone independant since then. ________________________________________________________ It is long past time for a Convention of States. The Founding Fathers gave us this tool to fix an out of control government and we need to use it. | |||
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