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Tinker Sailor Soldier Pie
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The general consensus among the announcers is that Aru should have ignored Froome's mechanical woes and continued his attack. Are the days of gentlemen racers over?


I was a little surprised by that. I always thought it meant more to beat the guy head up instead of a case of bad luck.

Even Armstrong waited for Ulrich when he went down.


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<Speaking to reporters, Aru added, "I didn't see anything because it all happened just as I was going to attack. I always wanted to try for a win a long way out. I didn't see that he'd had a mechanical. I hadn't opened up a big gap. I wanted to attack right at that point, six kilometres from the summit. I didn't see anything. When we heard over the radio that Froome had a problem, I stopped.">

Seems reasonable. With no evidence to the contrary, I'm willing to accept that.



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<Speaking to reporters, Aru added, "I didn't see anything because it all happened just as I was going to attack. I always wanted to try for a win a long way out. I didn't see that he'd had a mechanical. I hadn't opened up a big gap. I wanted to attack right at that point, six kilometres from the summit. I didn't see anything. When we heard over the radio that Froome had a problem, I stopped.">

Seems reasonable. I'm willing to accept that.


That's what it looked like. He jumped out of the saddle, ahead of Froome, just as Froome raised his hand signaling for mechanic. I don't see how he could have known until he heard from another racer or his radio.




Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me.

When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson

"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown
 
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The general consensus among the announcers is that Aru should have ignored Froome's mechanical woes and continued his attack. Are the days of gentlemen racers over?

That is a general consenseless.

Sean Kelly always said "It's the riders who make the race."

And somebody else said "One enemy can hurt you more than 10 friends can help you." So you do not want to piss off all the other top contenders no matter what he announcers think Wink


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<Speaking to reporters, Aru added, "I didn't see anything because it all happened just as I was going to attack. I always wanted to try for a win a long way out. I didn't see that he'd had a mechanical. I hadn't opened up a big gap. I wanted to attack right at that point, six kilometres from the summit. I didn't see anything. When we heard over the radio that Froome had a problem, I stopped.">

Seems reasonable. I'm willing to accept that.


That's what it looked like. He jumped out of the saddle, ahead of Froome, just as Froome raised his hand signaling for mechanic. I don't see how he could have known until he heard from another racer or his radio.
The aerial they were showing on TV last night showed Aru launching his attack from behind and to the right of Froome when Froome raised his hand. Aru had to literally duck under Froome's raised arm to go by him. From the footage they were showing, it's almost inconceivable that he didn't see the arm.


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<Speaking to reporters, Aru added, "I didn't see anything because it all happened just as I was going to attack. I always wanted to try for a win a long way out. I didn't see that he'd had a mechanical. I hadn't opened up a big gap. I wanted to attack right at that point, six kilometres from the summit. I didn't see anything. When we heard over the radio that Froome had a problem, I stopped.">

Seems reasonable. I'm willing to accept that.


That's what it looked like. He jumped out of the saddle, ahead of Froome, just as Froome raised his hand signaling for mechanic. I don't see how he could have known until he heard from another racer or his radio.
The aerial they were showing on TV last night showed Aru launching his attack from behind and to the right of Froome when Froome raised his hand. Aru had to literally duck under Froome's raised arm to go by him. From the footage they were showing, it's almost inconceivable that he didn't see the arm.


Yeah, that's the way I saw it too.




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I saw a view from the moto in front, the rider taking off just before Froome raised his arm.

Was that not Aru? Or had Froome signaled before?




Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me.

When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson

"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown
 
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I saw a view from the moto in front, the rider taking off just before Froome raised his arm.

Was that not Aru? Or had Froome signaled before?
The best that I can piece together, the front view showed Froome signaling a second time. He first put his hand up when Aru was behind him, put it down after Aru attacked, then put it back up. The second arm raise is what the front view captured.

Where's Abraham Zapruder when you need him?


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Kittel won the sprint finish of today's stage 11. All of the top sprinters, and all of the top GC contenders, finished with the same official time as Kittel, but his win padded his green jersey margin, now 133 points over Matthews.

Edit: Today was an easy day for the GC guys. They're thankful – tomorrow will be a hard day in the Pyrenees.

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I'm thinking tomorrow is going to be the day for someone to challenge Froome. Long stage, tough climbs and a mountain top finish. It's either that or stage 18 next Thursday.

I'm a little disappointed with the lack of time trailing this year. Two short stages, 36.5 KM total.


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Bought my first Pinarello in 1979 and had the luck to live in Palo Alto from 78 thru 95. I rode with many great riders back in the day. LOVE the mountains and love the stage coming up tomorrow morning! Viva Le Tour!
 
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Bought my first Pinarello in 1979 and had the luck to live in Palo Alto from 78 thru 95. I rode with many great riders back in the day. LOVE the mountains and love the stage coming up tomorrow morning! Viva Le Tour!

While I was living in St. Paul, MN, I saw a February Biycling magazine cover that showed a bunch of riders in the Bay Area. Lordy, I was envious! In St. Paul, decent cycling weather didn't come until late April. And even then I had to contend with piles of sand at intersections, still present from the winter salt and sanding operations.



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Romain Bardet won today's stage 12 climbers contest. Aru was third, good enough to take the yellow jersey from Froome. Aru's 6s margin might not be enough to keep it through the Marseille time trial. Froome beat him by 40s in the stage 1 time trial.

Tomorrow's climbers stage is Bastille Day, so the French riders will be making a special effort. Bardet in particular.



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Warren Barguil won today's mountainous stage 13 today. A nice win for the Frenchman on Bastille day. Quintana and Contador finished with the same official time as Barguil. But, whoa! Both Aru and Froome were 1' 48" back. Despite that, Aru retains the yellow jersey, with Froome 6" back.

I guess Aru and Froome didn't try too hard, knowing that they had good leads over the stage winners.



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Sorry guys, I'm a little behind. On stage 12 it looked to me like Froome and Aru cracked at the same time, But Bardet was the carrot that Aru needed to attack. I'm amazed that final 20% drag is a runway. Eek

Today was some real racing. All the top guys were gassed, and the lower GC guys attacked like sharks. I'm really liking Dan Martin. Fast as hell, tough has nails and measured in his remarks, classy guy.


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Michael Matthews won today's stage 14. Froome was 1" back in 7th place, 24" clear of Aru. Consequently, Froome regained the yellow jersey, with an 18" lead over Aru, second overall.

<“He just didn’t stay on my wheel so it’s hard to keep him at the front,” Aru’s Astana teammate Michael Valgren said.> Kind of slamming his team leader I think. Smile

Kittel (373 points) retains the green jersey, 99 points ahead of Matthews, in second place.



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Man, I gotta say, I am loving this year's tour. It's my favorite in many years. So much great racing going on, and it's still not clear at all who will win.

Loving it.


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Remember when Greg Lemond won by 8 seconds, on the last day time trial in Paris, over Laurent Fignon?

Aero bars haven't been the same since!




Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me.

When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson

"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown
 
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Bauke Mollema won today's hilly stage 15 today. Froome, Aru, Bardet, and Urán all finished with the same time, 6' 25" back. The top four GC places are unchanged with Froome on top.

Warren Barguil retains his big green jersey lead. Tomorrow is a rest day.



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Warren Barguil retains his big green jersey lead. Tomorrow is a rest day.


Of course you mean Kittel retains the Green jersey.

Warren Barguil maintains the Polka Dot jersey.


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