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| ^^^^ And that little bit of oil that's left over is not an issue since you're adding 5-6 quarts to dilute it. I used to agonize about trying to every single drop of old oil out, to the point I used to let it drain overnight, and even refilled with some cheap oil, drove it for 10 miles or so and then drained it overnight again. God was I stupid.
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| quote: Originally posted by NavyGuy:
And that little bit of oil that's left over is not an issue since you're adding 5-6 quarts to dilute it....
I bet there was a good 1/2 quart laying in the bottom of this pan, so of 5 quarts 10% of the dirtiest oil in the bottom of the pan remains. But you're right in the whole scheme that doesn't make much difference, it just would seem to be good practice to have the plug at the lowest point, as long as it's not vulnerable of course.
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| Probably for clearance Clarence, either to clear a splash guard, or maybe (unlikely) to spare the poor mechanic's knuckles, I say "unlikely" because what design engineer ever cared about that?
Bersides, does't everybody vacuum the old oil out through the dipstick hole these days? Crawling under the car is so last century. |
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| Hell vacuuming it out would probably leave even more sludge. The filter needs changed too and it's right there about 8" from the plug so I'm there anyway. I suppose on your car where you suck the oil out of the dipstick tube, the filter is up there too. That would be convenient.
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| At least you don’t have to jack the back end of the car up to drain the oil. My dad has a car with a flat oil pan and the drain plug is in the front. You pull the front onto ramps and jack the back up higher to get it to drain. |
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| On a lot of vehicles, the plug is at the back of the pan, about an inch or more above the bottom. There's quite a bit of old oil left behind. On the trucks I've had, it wouldn't affect clearance at all if it were on the bottom.
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| I'm with you, ride; that would piss me off. I'm happy to say the plug on my Honda CR-V is at the rear/back of the pan. When on ramps, I'm getting ALL the old oil out!
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| quote: Originally posted by NavyGuy:
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And that little bit of oil that's left over is not an issue since you're adding 5-6 quarts to dilute it.
I used to agonize about trying to every single drop of old oil out, to the point I used to let it drain overnight, and even refilled with some cheap oil, drove it for 10 miles or so and then drained it overnight again. God was I stupid.
Wow. That's some due diligence!
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| no idea, but you can bet some engineer spent 20,000 hours to figure out the optimum position given all the variables (you know its not just getting the oil out, its the stamping design, its welding the other side of the drain plug, its impact on the windage baffles, access, etc. etc.) And of course it makes absolutely no difference in the scheme of oil life. Like none. or less than none.
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| One beef is a plastic cover over the area(aerodynamics?) that has to be removed to access the plug(CR-V). I leave it off since it’s a HWY vehicle.
I try to park on our sloped driveway to get the best drain, a little helps. Beyond that I’m in the dilution camp, no biggie.
I also don’t like lack of a drain nut on differentials and transmissions. |
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| It’s in the rcessed part of the pan so that the plug is out of the wind stream when driving, and therefore reduces induced drag for better speed.
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| Hey man, don’t laugh. Every 1/1000 of a MPG counts when multiplied by the number of vehicles Toyota manufactures. |
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