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posted March 04, 2023 07:20 AMHide Post
I also like to try to drain all the oil out. Otherwise why bother. When I was a mechanic, it was drilled in my head to make sure the engine was hot before draining. The oil drained faster and the contaminates didn’t have time to settle.


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posted March 05, 2023 12:55 AMHide Post
I used to drive my little pickup onto ramps, but I figured I was gonna burn up my clutch, not to mention the annoyance of trying to get the ramps aligned right.

Now I just drive my left tyre onto a 6x10 block of wood. My plug is on the right side so it makes it drain better and I have just enough room to squeeze my carcass under. And I don't worry about those skimpy feeling steel ramps or a jack collapsing.

I make sure the engine is warm and when draining I go do something else so it drains for about fifteen minutes and I feel pretty good about getting most of the oil out.
 
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posted March 05, 2023 04:54 AMHide Post
Draining when the oil is warm is below 101 as standard procedure. Seems if I don’t do it myself, the drain plug ends up to tight.
 
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posted March 05, 2023 09:43 AMHide Post
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Originally posted by sourdough44:
One beef is a plastic cover over the area(aerodynamics?) that has to be removed to access the plug(CR-V). I leave it off since it’s a HWY vehicle.

I try to park on our sloped driveway to get the best drain, a little helps. Beyond that I’m in the dilution camp, no biggie.

I also don’t like lack of a drain nut on differentials and transmissions.


Install a Fumoto drain valve, and if needed cut a small round-ish hole in the aero-plastic cover under the engine bay. It is super easy and quick to drain using the Fumoto. A plastic or rubber hose can be attached to the Fumoto to direct the stream into whatever you use to collect used oil.
 
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posted March 05, 2023 12:44 PMHide Post
I use the old Fram Suredrain, somewhat like the Fumoto. Probably the best thing Fram made so of course they stopped making it.
 
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posted March 05, 2023 12:49 PMHide Post
I can assure you that if you're following the schedule even mostly, it's entirely a non-issue.


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posted March 05, 2023 01:58 PMHide Post
It keeps just enough old oil in there so you can properly read the new oil on the dipstick upon refill. Hey, my theory is as good as any others. Smile

It really sucks on Class 8 trucks with EGR diesels. You change the oil, run it one minute, and the new oil is black as coal. I miss my old Freightliner with a 3406B <sigh>.



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posted March 05, 2023 02:09 PMHide Post
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Originally posted by hrcjon:
And of course it makes absolutely no difference in the scheme of oil life. Like none. or less than none.


Would "less than none", actually "be some" difference. Kind of like multipying two negatives
 
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posted March 05, 2023 04:13 PMHide Post
quote:
Originally posted by sourdough44:
One beef is a plastic cover over the area(aerodynamics?) that has to be removed to access the plug(CR-V). I leave it off since it’s a HWY vehicle.



God were that cover's screws difficult to remove doing my friends first oil change on her CRV, the factory really spun those things tight! And the whole cover has to come off.


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Originally posted by erj_pilot:
It’s in the recessed part of the pan so that the plug is out of the wind stream when driving, and therefore reduces induced drag for better speed.


LOL it's not that because the section is covered underneath with a panel. Unlike many, the CRV for example, Toyota designed a small oil change cover, within the larger aerodynamic cover, that is quickly removed with 4 screws.



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Originally posted by sigcrazy7:
It keeps just enough old oil in there so you can properly read the new oil on the dipstick upon refill. Hey, my theory is as good as any others. Smile


That could be it!


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posted March 06, 2023 02:58 PMHide Post
One of the many reasons I pay to have someone do my maintenance. I'm too old and the newer cars are too hard to work on. Well worth 30 bucks to me.
 
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posted March 06, 2023 04:38 PMHide Post
^^^^^^
Great, if you found someone you trust, for many it's not a matter of money, but knowing the job was done right. Just from the stories posted on SF it is a real concern.
 
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posted March 06, 2023 05:16 PMHide Post
I just helped my son and his friend change the oil on the friend’s Dodge Ram 1500 with the 5.9l Magnum. The first thing I notice is oil all over a cross member behind the drain plug and oil all over the transmission pan behind that. I ask the friend if he knows he has an oil leak and he says no.

We pull the drain plug and as I’m cleaning it off, I point out that plug has a cup to it and there should have been a gasket or crush washer. I then mention that perhaps it got stuck on the oil pan and we’d wait until the oil finished draining to check. Not there either, so I said we’ll find it when we pour the drain pan into an empty jug. Not there either and we only drained 2.75 quarts of oil out of an engine that’s supposed to have 5.

Off to the auto parts store. Just for fun, I check the oil filter book and the correct filter is about twice the size of the one the kid brought with him and the one actually on the truck. I asked the kid how he picked out the oil filter and he said he googled it and it was the first one that came up. I then googled 2002 Dodge Ram 1500 5.9 and sure enough, that’s what came up. I then explained you have to actually use the book or the stores website and put in the year, make, model, engine, etc. to find the correct parts.

We finished and almost 5 quarts brought the level up the full side of the “Safe” mark on the dipstick. I asked the friend and he said the last oil change was done by a shop that his dad knew.

It was a good learning experience for my son and his friend.
 
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posted March 06, 2023 06:24 PMHide Post
quote:
Originally posted by Joe123:
^^^^^^
Great, if you found someone you trust, for many it's not a matter of money, but knowing the job was done right. Just from the stories posted on SF it is a real concern.


This is the *main* reason I change oil in my car, truck (and motorcycles) myself, but not the only one. There's also the convenience, time savings, and while doing so just looking things over under the car.

I probably spent a total of 45 minutes, I know that's slow, but I'm now old Smile. I found nothing wrong underneath other than cosmetic... some bolts and a couple bracket welds that were starting to rust which I lathered in Fluid Film. No leaks anywhere. And even at 45 minutes I saved time compared to if I drove 20+ miles, then waited twiddling my thumbs for 30 minutes while the change was done.

However I can also see how just letting the dealer do the servicing makes sense to many. Just schedule every 7,500 - 10,000, or whenever the light comes on, and you're done. No need to keep ramps on hand to drive the car up in order to crawl under, tools, oil drain pan, disposal of the old oil, (LOL 1/2 roll of paper towels).


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posted March 06, 2023 06:26 PMHide Post
Jack the car up from the low side, get it up at least a foot or two above the drain plug hole, see if any comes out Big Grin
 
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posted March 06, 2023 06:30 PMHide Post
quote:
Originally posted by trapper189:
I just helped my son and his friend change the oil on the friend’s Dodge Ram 1500 with the 5.9l Magnum. The first thing I notice is oil all over a cross member behind the drain plug and oil all over the transmission pan behind that. I ask the friend if he knows he has an oil leak and he says no.

We pull the drain plug and as I’m cleaning it off, I point out that plug has a cup to it and there should have been a gasket or crush washer. I then mention that perhaps it got stuck on the oil pan and we’d wait until the oil finished draining to check. Not there either, so I said we’ll find it when we pour the drain pan into an empty jug. Not there either and we only drained 2.75 quarts of oil out of an engine that’s supposed to have 5.

Off to the auto parts store. Just for fun, I check the oil filter book and the correct filter is about twice the size of the one the kid brought with him and the one actually on the truck. I asked the kid how he picked out the oil filter and he said he googled it and it was the first one that came up. I then googled 2002 Dodge Ram 1500 5.9 and sure enough, that’s what came up. I then explained you have to actually use the book or the stores website and put in the year, make, model, engine, etc. to find the correct parts.

We finished and almost 5 quarts brought the level up the full side of the “Safe” mark on the dipstick. I asked the friend and he said the last oil change was done by a shop that his dad knew.

It was a good learning experience for my son and his friend.


A great lesson for them!




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posted March 07, 2023 07:37 AMHide Post
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Just for fun, I check the oil filter book and the correct filter is about twice the size of the one the kid brought with him and the one actually on the truck. I asked the kid how he picked out the oil filter and he said he googled it and it was the first one that came up. I then googled 2002 Dodge Ram 1500 5.9 and sure enough, that’s what came up. I then explained you have to actually use the book or the stores website and put in the year, make, model, engine, etc. to find the correct parts.


I also have a RAM 1500. The wife has a Ford Explorer.

I use the Mobil 1 Filter Finder
 
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posted March 07, 2023 08:59 AMHide Post
My wife has a 2019 Grand Cherokee. Oil changes were free for the first two years. When I went to change the oil & filter the first time, I crawled underneath to see what I needed. I couldn't find the filter. Turns out it is a cartridge type, and it's on top of the motor, hidden under a plastic cover.


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