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Originally posted by Sunset_Va:

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Originally posted by Flash-LB:
You don't pull a gun and use it as a threat or intimidation as they'll call your bluff.

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True. If you feel threatened enough to draw your gun, then use it.

You say that, but they were advancing on him until he pulled the gun. If pepper spray guy had of hit him in the face, how would he defend himself with the gun then? He didn't shoot, lived, and won't be sued. Yes, I know you are not supposed to pull it unless fully prepared to use it. Look at Rittenhouse.

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Originally posted by SIG4EVA:

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Originally posted by Sunset_Va:

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Originally posted by Flash-LB:
You don't pull a gun and use it as a threat or intimidation as they'll call your bluff.

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True. If you feel threatened enough to draw your gun, then use it.

You say that, but they were advancing on him until he pulled the gun. If pepper spray guy had of hit him in the face, how would he defend himself with the gun then? He didn't shoot, lived, and won't be sued. Yes, I know you are not supposed to pull it unless fully prepared to use it. Look at Rittenhouse.

It is the height of insanity to pull a gun if one is fully not prepared to use it. I’m not sure it is any better (maybe it’s worse?) to go ahead and fire it if the conditions that caused you to pull it change after the draw. The goal is to stop the threat. If the threat decides he, she, or they have other priorities without you having to use any precious ammo, so much the better.

I would not wait for the last second to draw and fire. Why give yourself zero buffer. That seems too late. I’m not in favor of brandishing but I’m in favor or drawing earlier rather later.

I don't think you need to be spraying bullets if you clear the holster...use common sense. There are legit scenarios where the gun being in your hand is going to be preferable.

If I'm behind the wheel of a running vehicle that's in gear I am not getting out.
There will be more than bricks and paint bouncing off the hood.

Three comments...One, if you're stupid enough to hang out and continue to film someone holding a gun in front of you, you fully deserve to get shot. Two, its way past time to start stacking the bodies of this un-American garbage like cord wood on the side of the road. These people 'are' the enemy of this country. And third, if someone can throw paint on a vehicle, then break out a window in it, then hit the owner in the face with some sort of mace, and the cops think the appropriate response is to arrest the guy defending himself, then the cops are no longer part of the solution anymore.

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The goal is to stop the threat. If the threat decides he, she, or they have other priorities without you having to use any precious ammo, so much the better.

Yep.
Being "prepared to use it" and actually using it are not the same thing. Personally, I'm "assuming", I know I know, he was prepared to use it, but didn't have to because the show of potential force ended the threat...

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Originally posted by gpbst3:
I’m going to do some victim blaming. If you see these asshole down the street why would you drive past them. Turn around and go a block out of your way. His vehicle is not quite low profile. He was asking for attention and got it from the wrong people. If you don’t know what those pukes are capable of your a true idiot.

Not sure why you would come to that conclusion. There is no reason he can't have his vehicle dolled up any which way he wants. To allow yourself to think that this gentleman was in the wrong is a huge issue for me. Defeatist at best and complicit in allowing the shitheels to run this country into the ground at worst. I think most here are well aware of what these animals are capable of and I for one wouldn't back up and go around if I accidentally rolled into the situation. Capitulation is not my style. We get that sometimes its just easier to "go around", but that's not what this country is about. They wouldn't allow this person to pass without doing what they did. His response was very calm and because he was willing to defend himself, HE got detained with a possible charge down the road. Fuck that and shame on you for blaming the victim!

Temper tantrums should be dealt with by adults and as we've seen time and time again, the major metro areas have dictated that the LEO's only enforce laws against Patriots. Hard for me to believe that the black pajama crowd only had 4 arrests and for such trivial bullshit. They'll be kicked loose before dinner is cold and not a fucking thing will ever come of it.

Andrew Alan Foy, age 34: Disorderly conduct in the second degree and criminal trespass in the second degree
Nathan McFarland, age 33: Disorderly conduct in the second degree
Anthony Villaneda, age 18: Unlawful pointing of a laser, five counts
William Lloyd Isham, age 34: Interfering with Police Officer

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Originally posted by bigdeal:

cops think the appropriate response is to arrest the guy defending himself, then the cops are no longer part of the solution anymore.

He was not arrested.

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Originally posted by V-Tail:

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Originally posted by bigdeal:

cops think the appropriate response is to arrest the guy defending himself, then the cops are no longer part of the solution anymore.

He was not arrested.

Bad choice of words. Who got put face down on the street while the filth chanted? I didn't see a notation in the story that anyone was arrested for vandalizing that truck. It's very clear to me where this particular group of cops stand.

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Who got put face down on the street while the filth chanted? I didn't see a notation in the story that anyone was arrested for vandalizing that truck.

Guy was holding a gun. Cops need to know that they are safe. Guy seemed to understand that, he complied with cops' orders. Cops have a tough enough job, they need to go home to safely to family at end of shift. My opinion, not unreasonable to insure safety.

As far as arrests, there were at least three miscreants arrested. Hard to tell from the story whether it was for vandalism. One was for laser.

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Originally posted by V-Tail:

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Who got put face down on the street while the filth chanted? I didn't see a notation in the story that anyone was arrested for vandalizing that truck.

Guy was holding a gun. Cops need to know that they are safe. Guy seemed to understand that, he complied with cops' orders. Cops have a tough enough job, they need to go home to safely to family at end of shift. My opinion, not unreasonable to insure safety.

As far as arrests, there were at least three miscreants arrested. Hard to tell from the story whether it was for vandalism. One was for laser.

Gun was in the bed of the truck!! You really need to go back and rewatch the video. Is ordered to drop gun and he puts it in the bed. Starts at about 50 seconds. PS he made NO threating moves towards the police!!!!

Sick and tired of leo’s holding their clits and watching honest citizens get their property destroyed and assaulted then springing into action when the citizen dares to defend himself against commie trash.

Why weren’t those 3 commie fucks charged with assault and vandalism in addition to the other charges? Does damaging other’s property and physical assault mean nothing in OR? Apparently yes if you are a hapless patriot.

It is long past time for regular citizens to note these disparities.

While I realize I can only see what the video shows, I find it to be very disturbing.

It’s very disturbing that LEO stands back while Antifa/BLM assault law abiding citizens.

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Originally posted by triggertreat:

Gun was in the bed of the truck!! You really need to go back and rewatch the video. Is ordered to drop gun and he puts it in the bed. Starts at about 50 seconds. PS he made NO threating moves towards the police!!!!

True. You are correct. Cops do not know whether he has another gun. I did not see excessive force. I saw cops insuring that they were safe, until they determined that the guy was no threat. Once that was done, he was not detained, not arrested. Think about the potential for tragedy if this had been a bad guy with another gun.

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Originally posted by V-Tail:

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Originally posted by triggertreat:

Gun was in the bed of the truck!! You really need to go back and rewatch the video. Is ordered to drop gun and he puts it in the bed. Starts at about 50 seconds. PS he made NO threating moves towards the police!!!!

True. You are correct. Cops do not know whether he has another gun. I did not see excessive force. I saw cops insuring that they were safe, until they determined that the guy was no threat. Once that was done, he was not detained, not arrested. Think about the potential for tragedy if this had been a bad guy with another gun.

Dude was incapacitated after being assaulted with pepper spray. Even the cop wasn't worried as he turned his back on the guy on the ground.!!!!!!!! The cop took the path of least resistance.

Oregon is a cesspool of filth, a fallen state. I see it like california, conservatives and Christians have had their opportunity to get out, by staying, they support the insanity happening there. I have friends and family who refuse to leave, I can't even hear it anymore. They have had plenty of warning. This kind of crap will continue and will get worse. Most LEO's in these towns/regions have made their compromise for whatever their reasons. They certainly aren't going to defend and intervene to protect the innocent at the cost of their career and family. The ones that would...have left.

Producing a firearm to protect yourself in one of these cities is a losing proposition. You will lose. You have to decide how bad you can afford to lose, your life or just all your money. The pricks in these areas will ruin your company, burn your house down, and get you fired. We are at war, it's like a cold war. It's heating up in some areas, and just like there are some areas of places in Little Rock that people of different races should not visit....conservatives need to figure out what areas of fallen states like Oregon that they should not visit.

If cops are going to behave this way and provide preferential coverage for antifa while treating us as hostiles, then whether they are under orders or they actually side with antifa is starting to make no difference. When they behave as such, they should be treated as such - they are hostiles to us. Is the law on their side? Yes, the public law is; but it's becoming ever clearer that they are hostile to us.

ETA: Let me be clear. I support LE. No wavering there. But as with any group or demographic, there are some undesirable apples. They should be filtered out of the pool.

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Originally posted by konata88:
If cops are going to behave this way and provide preferential coverage for antifa while treating us as hostiles, then whether they are under orders or they actually side with antifa is starting to make no difference. When they behave as such, they should be treated as such - they are hostiles to us. Is the law on their side? Yes, the public law is; but it's becoming ever clearer that they are hostile to us.

Thank you.