There could be a "procedures" to address the situation. My son-in-law was a DA in Florida, would comment "justice is a process, not necessarily an end result".

I guess I have declining confidence in the integrity of the system. I am sure living in CA has influenced that (which hopefully will soon change).

a1abdj, I don't owe you any explanations or answers to any of your questions. Now, I'll state this to you in no uncertain terms- this is my forum. I don't owe you jack shit. Clear enough for you? And I would advise you to save your response to this. I just don't want to hear it. It's not going to benefit you. It just will not.

I don't need to draw you a picture. You know how you feel about the police. And I know how you feel about them, too. You don't need anything explained.

I have been very consistent regarding your comments in police threads over a very long period. You have been doing this kind of thing for a very long time, in a very pro-law enforcement forum. That is why others can make certain comments about the police, while you are getting pinged for such comments. You have worn it out, man. Others here may get to that point- and certain others- not just you as you seem to feel- have been told the same things I'm telling you now. So, don't go feeling special.

Here's how it is: I'm telling you that I would rather not see you post in any police or police-related thread in this forum. The full spectrum of subjects one can imagine are still open to you in this forum, but for this one.

I have the right to allow/disallow certain comments and/or subjects in this forum and I am exercising that right. It's not fair. No sir, it's not fair. But, that's the way it is.

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Here's how it is: I'm telling you that I would rather not see you post in any police or police-related thread in this forum. The full spectrum of subjects one can imagine are still open to you in this forum, but for this one.

How about this. You want a letter on police department letterhead vouching for me? How about a video with me along with some officers that actually know me?

You know why this chaps me? Because you're so insistent with your assumptions which attack my character.

Do you know why I've commented for so long on threads involving the police? Because I have been a member for so long, and so many threads involve the police. And although you refuse to do so, there are plenty of comments from me in threads praising the police who have done great things, just like there are plenty of comments from me in threads where the police have not done so great.

I guess you'll have to excuse me for being so vocal about the exact same things, and in the exact same manner as everybody else is. You act as if I'm in every police thread bashing people who don't need to be bashed, and that's 100% false. You don't owe me an explanation, but if you're going to make claims you should owe us all some evidence. My words are here in writing for all to quote.

No, I don't want any Goddamned endorsement on a Goddamned department letterhead. You need to figure this out. In this forum, there is not a level playing field between me and the members. You need to remember that. This isn't a democracy. Someone has to be in charge, and that's me.

All the insistance in the world on your part will not change the vibe I have gotten consistently and over a long period of time from your posts regarding law enforcement. You insist I'm wrong. OK, noted. Anything else? Unfortunately, I don't have a letterhead, so...

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the vibe

Like I said, it's not what I say that's the problem, it's how you're falsely interpreting it. Otherwise you would quote my words instead of telling me how you feel about it. Thanks for the honesty.

And now I'll bow out from police threads. I'm honestly tired of the false accusations every time I'm involved in an honest discussion about real life events that effect us all.

Well, that only took several years.

And, no, it's what you say as well, not just the tone, the smirk in your police posts. I'm just not going to repeat myself, saying stuff I've most certainly have taken the time to explain to you -in detail at times- in the past. What in the world would be the point of saying it to you again? It will make not one single speck of difference.

What you've experienced from me these past few times is my refusal to say the same things I've said to you before, point out the same things I've pointed out before. I am long done with that futile exercise.

You're one to talk about being unreasonable in this matter. Hell, man, I can't even address specifics of your posts without being accused of "cherry-picking" your posts, as if each and every time I take exception to some portion of your post, I should have to quote the entire Goddamned thing and address every single fucking word of it. And that is pure bullshit. It's a chickenshit tactic to make it appear that you are being mistreated somehow. People do what you call "cherry-picking" all the time in this forum, but when I address specifics in your posts, you imply that I'm using some kind of unethical tactic to twist your words. That is pure fucking game-playing bullshit.

So, it's good that you're going to bow out of police threads, because it's clear there's just too much history between you and I on this topic.

There are a great many neighborhoods in and around Maricopa County where many many people answer the door with a gun in hand or very near by.

That being said, they called attention to themselves , intentionally.
They knew in no uncertain terms when and why the cops get called,
They chose to be bad neighbors.

I have to wonder how many windows were available to confirm who was at the door.

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Originally posted by bendable:I have to wonder how many windows were available to confirm who was at the door.

None that I can see from the video. And I can't see a peephole in the door either, unless there's one integrated into the knocker but it doesn't look like it.

Let's face it, the dude didn't just "answer" the door. He came out aggressively with the pistol at his side until he realized it was the police. Then he tried to back down but it was too late.

In hindsight, yes the officer that fired probably shouldn't have. We know from the 911 call the reporter said it sounded like it could be physical; I'd be really curious to know if that was passed to the officers. Rolling up to a domestic that is reported to be physical they'd be geared up for conflict, it's called expectation bias, and we all know how dangerous domestic calls are for officers in general.

So you have 2 officers who are expecting to encounter people who are agitated and potentially violent, and then some guy comes rushing out the door with a gun in hand and it's a recipe for disaster. You run that scenario in the simulator and I'd bet a good number of people pull the trigger.

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1. Never trust the Media. Never fucking ever. Have you people not figured this out by now? You really think the series of events described is going to turn out to be exactly right? Really?

I think ^this should be the underlying principle here. Probably more to this that's been left out.

And for those who say the guy should have called 911 to verify, according to the story as written (though, see point 1 quoted above) it was 2 am. So the couple had likely been drinking. For quite some time. More than likely, rational thought had vanished from his rear view mirror several hours ago.

That does sound like a new recipe for swatting someone.

So this touches a nerve for me. This Wednesday morning, 8/5, I woke up to a person in my home (wife and kids were out of town). I held her at gunpoint until police arrived. For my house, when standing on the front porch or even some places in the front yard a person can see up the stairs to the bedroom area. I was there on those stairs, with 911 on speaker in one hand, gun in other. Front door was locked so gun in my right hand when unlocking door with left to allow TPD to enter, and as soon as cops entered, I put the gun on the stairs.

There was no way in hell I was taking my gun off the woman on my couch (who turned out to be mentally ill) BUT also the police were on the way and I was communicating via a dispatcher to them. I was concerned by what the Tacoma police would do (come in with guns blazing?), but there wasn't much I could do in the situation either. I was as far up the stairs I could be and hold my gun on her, and I didn't know if anyone else was down there with her (there wasn't) so wasn't going down any further.

TPD arrived quickly (probably in two minutes), and the officers that came in did so without guns drawn and were great with me (and her too).

BUT it's videos like this that scare the pee out of me.

^^^ Man, that is scary. How the heck did this woman get in your house? Some unlocked window or door?

Newsflash, you DON’T have to answer the door.

No matter what was reported, when the cops show up they need to have legit exigent circumstances to kick in doors and a noise complaint doesn’t do it. They need to see something through a window, hear screams for help, etc.

They may pound and scream, but if nothing is going on they will eventually leave.

Adulting 101, be a good neighbor and don’t disturb the ‘hood in the middle of the night and you will avoid a lot of problems in life.

I have the police at my door several times a year for horses getting out when a car smashes through the the fence.

They have instructions to come up with the strobes on to let me know it's them and please don't knock a hole in my door to get my attention. I will answer the door friendly.

I've always had a friendly relationship with them. However I have to ride in the back of the patrol car to go get the horse out of the road.

Last time this happened a car fell off the back of a tow truck and went right through the fence. The tow truck driver just looked at the damage and drove away we found out on my security camera.

However, the car was all the way down the hill, nobody saw it, but the horses sure made a run for the hole in the fence.

Officer came up, turned on his lights and knocked on the door. I can see the lights easily through the window and know a horse is out.

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^^^ Man, that is scary. How the heck did this woman get in your house? Some unlocked window or door?

Here’s the thing, I don’t fucking know. She secured all doors and windows before I found her. The likeliest possibility is the kitchen window since the window screen was off and she had overturned a bucket (to stand on?) under the window but there’s nothing like not having a clue as to entry point after the fact. We are discussing what, NOT WHETHER, security system we will be getting.

A security system is well worth the money. I may move back to a small town one day, but it will have a security system with cameras.

I can see the the external cameras would also help to verify what’s happening outside in case police came to the front door.

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And for those who say the guy should have called 911 to verify, according to the story as written (though, see point 1 quoted above) it was 2 am. So the couple had likely been drinking

This is the second time in this thread 2am has been mentioned. It wasn’t even 11 pm yet.

From the OP’s original link:
“I gotta get to work tomorrow and I'm getting no sleep," said the neighbor in the second 911 call he made to police at 10:44 p.m.

People are allowed to be up past 10pm, they’re even allowed to drink. (Drinking hasn’t been mentioned anywhere in the news reports I’ve read)

Lots of DUMB on both sides of this shooting IMO.