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Originally posted by mikeyspizza:
It's amazing that so-called professionals in a shop can screw up even the most basic task.

The real techs in the shop aren't likely doing oil changes in a stealership. It's some kid that was working the drive-through last week.

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Originally posted by Excam_Man:
Get yourself one of these three prong ratcheting oil wrench adapters.
https://www.homedepot.com/pep/...3&source=shoppingads

You'll be glad you spent the $10 the first time you have to use it.

The absolute best design oil wrench I have ever used.

I'm buying one of these tomorrow. Thanks, Excam.

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Originally posted by Flashlightboy:

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Originally posted by ARman:

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Originally posted by hrcjon:
not really related, but not a chance I would use an aftermarket filter on a wrx. I've seen way too many of them fail.

Well Subaru of America OEM oil filter is made by Fram. It is Fram's bottom of the line filter, with cardboard end caps, and Fram's other crap features.

Subaru of Japan uses Tokyo Roki oil filters, and so does the rest of the world, besides America. Subaru of America OEM is made by Fram. They were at one time made by Purolator. Which are on par with Tokyo Roki.

If you get a Fram oil filter at the auto parts store, it doesn't even meet Subaru (Japan) bypass valve psi of 23.8. So only God knows if Subaru of America OEM filters made by Fram meets it.

Fram states that their bypass valve is set at 11 PSI. Which means that they are in bypass most of the time.

WIX is a quality filter, one of the best manufactured. It has the correct bypass valve at 23 psi.

JDM, and the rest of the world still uses the Tokyo Roki oil filter for OEM. They are quality and WIX is about as close as you can get to that, without spending $20.00 to $50.00 bucks.

I found a place that has the proper Tokyo Roki oil filter, but to make it in the same price range as the WIX, I would have to buy 12 of them to get a discount, and they would be actually cheaper at $8.75 each to the WIX XP of $12.89.

NAPA filters are WIX filters, and I can get a discount on NAPA filters. I didn't get a NAPA Gold because they didn't have any in stock and I didn't want to wait for them to order them.


The blue Subaru oil filter is made by Fram,
It's what the dealership uses, so that's what I used when they did the oil change.

The WIX XP filter is 100000000000000000000% times better than the Fram made Subaru of America OEM oil filter.

ARman

ARman,

I'm not sure where you're getting your info but it's flatout wrong on many levels.

The blue Subie can is made Fram to Subie specs, including the bypass setting. It's is myth and wholly incorrect to say it's cardboard endcaps. They are not. They are pressed fiber material with other things that might look like cardboard but it isn't and never was. Fram says so, BITOG says so.

Fram's other crap can features? You didn't say what they were so I assume you are just giving a WAG.

The high bypass setting is been analyzed on oil forums and car forums for a long time. Fram even says that it's not needed. I've spoken to Mobil 1 Tech Support about it and they too are very aware of the high setting and also state, just like Fram, that it's not needed with synthetic media. If you don't understand delta pressure differentials then you won't know what they're talking about. High setting came about years ago for engines that used thicker oil and in cold environments. Today, with modern syn media filters and different oils, a Subie rarely goes into bypass, if at all. It will, like any car, if you floor the throttle the moment you start it up but who does that?

The blue can you get at Subie isn't the best filter in terms of filtering efficiency and grams of crud holding but it meets Subie's specs at their specified price point over the 6k interval but 6k on syn oil is an absolute waste of oil.

I'd like to see a UOA that shows the high bypass setting made any difference. I'll be waiting for a long time because there's aren't any.

The blue Subaru filter meets Subaru of America OEM, not Subaru of Japan.

Cut the blue filter apart and a WIX or Tokyo Roki oil filter and compare.

If you are happy with pressed fiber board instead of steel then fine.

The WIX filters has reinforcement mesh, the Fram OEM does not. The WIX is spiral center tube, Fram/Subaru of America us straight. Spiral is stronger.

The WIX filters casein is thicker, the WIX filters use a coil spring and the Fram/Subaru of America OEM is stamped Sheet metal.

The WIX and Tokyo Roki are almost identical, whereas the Subaru of America OEM oil filter is not the same built quality.

I'll go with Subaru of Japan over Subaru of America anytime.

I looked at every stat, and spec. I'll go with Subaru of Japan over what Subaru of America says.

If I had my druthers, I would use only Tokyo Roki oil filters.

I just might cough up the $110.00 for 12 vount Tokyo Roki oil filters. That would be $9.12 per oil filter, and it would be factory spec of Subaru of Japan.

The Subaru STi Performance sport oil filter is msde for extreme use, but it's $35.00 to $50.00 per oil filter. It is made for racing but can be used for street use. It has a synthetic media, high flow rate, and thicker casting. With silicon anti-drainback value and gasket.

Subaru has higher oil pressure than most engines, and I'm happy with the WIX 23 psi bypass, and 19 gallon at 47 psi is right on spec for Subaru of Japan.

I looked at everything and besides the Tokyo Roki and Purolator oil filter, the WIX is more inclined with Subaru of Japan.

So, I'll go with Subaru of Japan over Subaru of America anytime. They are the ones that designed the engine not Subaru of America.

I'll go with Subaru of Japan on maintenance and specs over Subaru of America.


ARman

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Originally posted by muddle_mann:
Had that problem with my Acura RSX on the first oil change. The dang filter is on the back of the engine; very hard to access. The filter was super tight. Super annoying. The dealers over tighten them. I literally could not get it off (could now cause I have a jack and jack stands and could have gotten to it easier from underneath) but had it towed to CarMax with a very, very detailed note. They got it off. I went to their parking lot and finished the oil change right there.

One way to cut down on tools and replacing plugs/washer is to get the Valvomax oil change system

Ordered one for my Jeep yesterday, hope it works as well as it appears to!

My " oil change story " for today . I just got home from a local mechanic shop where I was having my truck inspected . The owner was behind the counter and was talking to a customer on the phone advising that their vehicle was ready . He told them that the sticker on the windshield showed that the car was 4000 miles OVER on the oil change interval . He told them that they only drained a little over a quart out of the vehicle . When he got off the phone I was talking with him about it . He said the only thing that saved him was that the brakes started making a noise and THAT was why he came to the shop in the first place !

That looks similar to a Fumoto valve. That's what I have on my cars. Just installed them last oil change so we'll see how well they work. I did not get the extended nipple version so aim will still be important.

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Originally posted by ARman:
Oh, and to top it off, I have been in pain for over a month, pissing blood. I have been to the Dick Smith, x rays and blood test, everything looks normal. I go for a CT scan with and without contact Wednesday. It feels like another kidney stone, which I have over a dozen, but from the x rays none have moved.

So after Saturdays fun, I'm kn real pain today!


ARman

Last summer, I thought I was pissing blood (urine with red tint) and went the urology route. Piss test, blood test, CT scan, cytoscopy w/ biopsy, etc. and everything was normal. Then, I thought I had food poisoning but on day 3 puked bile on myself. Turns out a medication was trying to shutdown my liver and the red tint in my urine was bilirubin. The urologist had never tested for that since it's in a liver function test (i.e. gastroenterologist would order not urologist).

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For what it's worth; I had to replace the evap unit on my Yukon and Silverado when they were both around 60,000 miles. Not a hard job to do as I'm sure you know.

Finally had a chance to get under there today and take a look at it. I was fully prepared to drop the tank, but I found a broken nipple on the evap canister that is more than likely the culprit. Factory replacement part is $100, but at least I don't have to drop the tank. I'm sure it cracked when they did the fuel pump, but I can't really hold it against them...the truck is 17 years old and has 390,000 miles on it. Plastic ages poorly, especially in areas where it's subject to extreme temperatures, chemical fumes, and constant vibration. It's impressive that it lasted this long.

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Originally posted by fvyellowbird:

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Originally posted by muddle_mann:
Had that problem with my Acura RSX on the first oil change. The dang filter is on the back of the engine; very hard to access. The filter was super tight. Super annoying. The dealers over tighten them. I literally could not get it off (could now cause I have a jack and jack stands and could have gotten to it easier from underneath) but had it towed to CarMax with a very, very detailed note. They got it off. I went to their parking lot and finished the oil change right there.

One way to cut down on tools and replacing plugs/washer is to get the Valvomax oil change system

Ordered one for my Jeep yesterday, hope it works as well as it appears to!

Ditto. Just changed my oil a few weeks ago, looking forward to adding this the next go-round.

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Originally posted by tatortodd:

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Originally posted by ARman:
Oh, and to top it off, I have been in pain for over a month, pissing blood. I have been to the Dick Smith, x rays and blood test, everything looks normal. I go for a CT scan with and without contact Wednesday. It feels like another kidney stone, which I have over a dozen, but from the x rays none have moved.

So after Saturdays fun, I'm kn real pain today!


ARman

Last summer, I thought I was pissing blood (urine with red tint) and went the urology route. Piss test, blood test, CT scan, cytoscopy w/ biopsy, etc. and everything was normal. Then, I thought I had food poisoning but on day 3 puked bile on myself. Turns out a medication was trying to shutdown my liver and the red tint in my urine was bilirubin. The urologist had never tested for that since it's in a liver function test (i.e. gastroenterologist would order not urologist).

Any standard urinalysis show bilirubin in the urine, which a urologist should have picked up. Someone's bullshitting you. Ask to see the results of your original urinalysis, and I bet it would have a high urobilinogen level (which indicates high bilirubin in the blood).

As for oil changes, I do all my own. Most of the time, I have every other week off (7 days on, 7 days off), so I can pretty easily make the time. I enjoy wrenching on cars, so I don't really put the value of my time in the equation for cost. I am generally considered "cheap", but I spend money for quality components, particularly when I can do the labor myself. I can use higher quality oil and filters than I would get at the "quick-lube" place, and I know it is done correctly and to proper specs with a torque wrench and lubed filter gasket. The only regular maintenance I don't do is tire rotations, just because I don't have a lift and individually lifting corners and changing tires is a PITA. I get my tires from Costco, and they do the rotations, but I do always retorque the lugs myself. Thus far, I have to admit I have not caught Costco improperly torquing lugnuts, but I still always check.
Bottom line, I like working on my cars. Even checking the valve shims on my Z4M was a fun morning for me. I've learned a bunch about cars, and YouTube is a great resource if you're not quite sure how to go about something.

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Originally posted by tatortodd:

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Originally posted by ARman:
Oh, and to top it off, I have been in pain for over a month, pissing blood. I have been to the Dick Smith, x rays and blood test, everything looks normal. I go for a CT scan with and without contact Wednesday. It feels like another kidney stone, which I have over a dozen, but from the x rays none have moved.

So after Saturdays fun, I'm kn real pain today!


ARman

Last summer, I thought I was pissing blood (urine with red tint) and went the urology route. Piss test, blood test, CT scan, cytoscopy w/ biopsy, etc. and everything was normal. Then, I thought I had food poisoning but on day 3 puked bile on myself. Turns out a medication was trying to shutdown my liver and the red tint in my urine was bilirubin. The urologist had never tested for that since it's in a liver function test (i.e. gastroenterologist would order not urologist).

Oh it's most definitely blood. In the middle of all this I had to do my yearly DOT physical. They take a urine sample. They were like " you have A LOT of blood in your urine". I was like yeah, the urologist is trying to figure out why.

I have kidney stones, but yhe x rays didn't explain the problem. The kidney stones haven't moved since the last time 6 months ago. All were accounted for.

I'm having pains in my back, sides, and in front, down in my groin. Ranging from a pain scale of barely a 1 all the way up to 8 or 9.

Plus it comes and goes, and changes side on the intensity. I'm having trouble sleeping because of the pain, and my stomach gets upset when the pain really ramps up.

I still have not heard back from the doctor yet about the results of the CT scan.

ARman

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Originally posted by barndg00:
As for oil changes, I do all my own. Most of the time, I have every other week off (7 days on, 7 days off), so I can pretty easily make the time. I enjoy wrenching on cars, so I don't really put the value of my time in the equation for cost. I am generally considered "cheap", but I spend money for quality components, particularly when I can do the labor myself. I can use higher quality oil and filters than I would get at the "quick-lube" place, and I know it is done correctly and to proper specs with a torque wrench and lubed filter gasket. The only regular maintenance I don't do is tire rotations, just because I don't have a lift and individually lifting corners and changing tires is a PITA. I get my tires from Costco, and they do the rotations, but I do always retorque the lugs myself. Thus far, I have to admit I have not caught Costco improperly torquing lugnuts, but I still always check.
Bottom line, I like working on my cars. Even checking the valve shims on my Z4M was a fun morning for me. I've learned a bunch about cars, and YouTube is a great resource if you're not quite sure how to go about something.

I don't mind doing mantiance on the car. I don’t really count my time, though it is sometimes tight, as I do like doing that kind of thing. I really like washing, sealing, and waxing/detailing my car.

When I bought this car, I started taking it to the dealership for oil changes services, because they could do it cheaper than what I could. They used Subaru synthetic oil (Idemitsu) and Subaru of America OEM oil filter.

I was never a fan of the Fram made Subaru of America OEM oil filter, but I figured the car was under warranty, and the dealership was doing the work and I was saving money on quality oil.

Then something changed at the dealership, and after they broke my car a couple of times. I started not to trust them.

So, I said that I'll do the general maintenance, and they would get the warranty work, or something that's out of my realm.

Oh, yeah I forgot about the time they knocked the front spoiler/lip off of the front of the car, and tried to tell me that is how it came in.

I know that it wasn't like that, as when I was parking the car to go in to talk to the service department about an oil change, a guy was coming out to get into his WRX and made a comment about it. As it is after market.

I told them that and said they were full of shit. They didn't have much to say after that, took the car back and half assed reattaching it.

Hell, in the last year, the dealership has broken my car more than they fixed it, most of the time I had to fix their fuckup.

Idemitsu/Subaru oil is high quality, but I went with Motul. I used Motul ECO LITE 5W30, and I have had a slight bump in fuel mileage. Also it seems to run smoother.

I'm thinking about ordering that dozen oil filters of the Tokyo Roki. It's a fairly big upfront output, but it's cheaper per unit, and I will have good quality filters for a few years.

I'm the type that OEM is the base line, everything has to be as good or better or i won't use it.


ARman

@ARman I found these on eBay: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Fits-...f:g:4RAAAOSwevJeFNqj

May very well be the OEM supplier for Subaru Japan but can’t find anything conclusive. Price is right and free shipping (from Miami) to boot.

Been using the SOA blue filters on my 2013 WRX with no issues, but sounds like an upgrade to the better black filter is a good idea.

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Originally posted by Puckpilot78:
@ARman I found these on eBay: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Fits-...f:g:4RAAAOSwevJeFNqj

May very well be the OEM supplier for Subaru Japan but can’t find anything conclusive. Price is right and free shipping (from Miami) to boot.

Been using the SOA blue filters on my 2013 WRX with no issues, but sounds like an upgrade to the better black filter is a good idea.

Very interesting. The Union Sangyo filter looks like the Tokyo Roki 15208AA100, which is the correct part number for my 2013 Subaru WRX 2.5 Turbo, but
That listing for the Union Sangyo filter with same part number, when I go to see if it fits, says not the Turbo 2.5 liter.

I have found a few listing of the Tokyo Roki 15208AA100 oil filter. The one place sales them in 3, 6, and 12. The more you buy, the cheaper per unit.

The build quality of the Tokyo Roki oil filter is way better than the Fram OEM Subaru of America oil filter. There are many photos of them both cut apart.

Yeah, I used the Blue Subaru oil filter, Subaru of America OEM oil filter made by Fram. I never really had a problem with them, but I have seen a few Fram oil filters fail, and their build quality isn't that good, so I was never "happy", or "warm and fuzzy" about them on my car.

I figured that if I'm going to take and spend my time, and money to change my oil and filter myself, I'm going with the best quality that I can find and afford!

ARman

FYI the Tokyo Roki filters I have are slightly larger than the Mobil or WIX so the standard 14 flute 64 mm cap wrench is too small to fit them.

Of course the universal 3-jaw is not at any of my local home depots.

Time to shop online. Might as well look for these fancy Subaru oil filters since I just got my daughter a new Impreza for her 18th.

If y’all really want to go hog wild with your oil change, buy one of these. They make one for trans pans too.

http://www.shopfiltermag.com/

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Originally posted by Chowser:
Of course the universal 3-jaw is not at any of my local home depots.

Time to shop online. Might as well look for these fancy Subaru oil filters since I just got my daughter a new Impreza for her 18th.

I use one of these, works great: https://www.lislecorp.com/spec...rt-car-filter-wrench

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Originally posted by M1Garandy:

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Originally posted by Chowser:
Of course the universal 3-jaw is not at any of my local home depots.

Time to shop online. Might as well look for these fancy Subaru oil filters since I just got my daughter a new Impreza for her 18th.

I use one of these, works great: https://www.lislecorp.com/spec...rt-car-filter-wrench

Thanks, I'm going to order that. I have the stepped 65-67mm wrench cap socket. It didn't have enough "grip" to remove the oil filter. Though next time, I don't really think that this will be a problem, as I installed the oil filter correctly. I lubed the gasket, and hand tightned it.

But, it would come in handy!


ARman

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Originally posted by ARman:

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Originally posted by M1Garandy:

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Originally posted by Chowser:
Of course the universal 3-jaw is not at any of my local home depots.

Time to shop online. Might as well look for these fancy Subaru oil filters since I just got my daughter a new Impreza for her 18th.

I use one of these, works great: https://www.lislecorp.com/spec...rt-car-filter-wrench

Thanks, I'm going to order that. I have the stepped 65-67mm wrench cap socket. It didn't have enough "grip" to remove the oil filter. Though next time, I don't really think that this will be a problem, as I installed the oil filter correctly. I lubed the gasket, and hand tightened it.

But, it would come in handy!


ARman

I've never been a huge fan of the cap sockets, nor the old school band type filter wrenches to be honest.

I don't always need to use my Lisle filter wrench, but is much superior to using a big pair of Channellocks or stabbing a screwdriver through the filter when I need a little more grip or leverage.