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You are lucky the threads weren’t damaged on your oil pan.

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Originally posted by 92fstech:
Good news is next time it'll be better because you know you did it right this time. This is why I hate letting anybody else touch my car.


Exactly what I was thinking. I have one more free service left on my 19 3500 Duramax then I will be taking over.

Fumoto drain plug will soon be ordered.


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not really related, but not a chance I would use an aftermarket filter on a wrx. I've seen way too many of them fail.


Well Subaru of America OEM oil filter is made by Fram. It is Fram's bottom of the line filter, with cardboard end caps, and Fram's other crap features.

Subaru of Japan uses Tokyo Roki oil filters, and so does the rest of the world, besides America. Subaru of America OEM is made by Fram. They were at one time made by Purolator. Which are on par with Tokyo Roki.

If you get a Fram oil filter at the auto parts store, it doesn't even meet Subaru (Japan) bypass valve psi of 23.8. So only God knows if Subaru of America OEM filters made by Fram meets it.

Fram states that their bypass valve is set at 11 PSI. Which means that they are in bypass most of the time.

WIX is a quality filter, one of the best manufactured. It has the correct bypass valve at 23 psi.

JDM, and the rest of the world still uses the Tokyo Roki oil filter for OEM. They are quality and WIX is about as close as you can get to that, without spending $20.00 to $50.00 bucks.

I found a place that has the proper Tokyo Roki oil filter, but to make it in the same price range as the WIX, I would have to buy 12 of them to get a discount, and they would be actually cheaper at $8.75 each to the WIX XP of $12.89.

NAPA filters are WIX filters, and I can get a discount on NAPA filters. I didn't get a NAPA Gold because they didn't have any in stock and I didn't want to wait for them to order them.


The blue Subaru oil filter is made by Fram,
It's what the dealership uses, so that's what I used when they did the oil change.

The WIX XP filter is 100000000000000000000% times better than the Fram made Subaru of America OEM oil filter.

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It's amazing that so-called professionals in a shop can screw up even the most basic task.


Especially when you consider that they have factory training, tools and resources that your average person can never have access to.

A little side note. It just happens that February 15th 2017 i was at the dealership.

What makes that date Significant? Well that's Subaru of America 50th anniversary. So you would figure there would be a banner or something.? Nope.

So I come in for service and in a cheerful voice say to the order writer, "Happy Anniversary"! Not one person knew what was talking about....

She said what anniversary? I say Subaru of America, 50th Anniversary....I get a blank stare.

Oh well, I guess it's to much to expect someone to know things about their job.


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My Dad did all of the car maintenance himself. I am with Bendable on the oil changes. Call the man and Pay the man. My time is more important than the money.
 
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It's amazing that so-called professionals in a shop can screw up even the most basic task.


I've met plenty of these "professionals"...used to work with some. There are indeed good knowledgeable mechanics out there, but there are also plenty of incompetent idiots...or guys who have the skills but just have horrible attitudes and don't care. Add to that that in many shops, the guys doing stuff like oil changes and brake jobs are often the bottom of the pecking order...less seniority and less experience.

Unless I know and trust the guy doing the work personally, I'll just do it myself. That way I know exactly what's wrong, exactly what I've done to fix it, what parts got used, and what to expect if I ever have to mess with it again. Even if I do screw something up, I've usually saved enough money doing the job myself that I can afford to correct it two or three times over and still come out ahead.

I'm currently dealing with an evap leak in my Suburban. This occurred after a new fuel pump was put in 2 months ago...the old one died on the highway in WY and I had to pay a wrecker company to tow and fix it. Cost me $1275, and now I still have to drop the tank and fix what they screwed up. I could have done the job myself 4 times for that money. I'm actually kicking myself at this point for not having them tow it to a NAPA store, buying what I needed, and doing the job myself in the parking lot...would have been less hastle.
 
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The video your neighbor put up on YouTube is priceless.

JK. The good news is it should be cake next time.
 
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The video your neighbor put up on YouTube is priceless.

JK. The good news is it should be cake next time.


LoL....my friend said that she was surprised that I was relatively calm and didn't curse as much as she would have expected! LoL

Well, at least I know it was done right this time and with quality filter and oil.

Not saying that Subaru synthetic oil is bad, it's top notch. It's Idmedsu synthetic oil. Which is a very good oil. Probably the tops in Japanese made motor oil. One of the best in the world. Which is high quality indeed.

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Oh, and to top it off, I have been in pain for over a month, pissing blood. I have been to the Dick Smith, x rays and blood test, everything looks normal. I go for a CT scan with and without contact Wednesday. It feels like another kidney stone, which I have over a dozen, but from the x rays none have moved.

So after Saturdays fun, I'm kn real pain today!


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Oh, and to top it off, I have been in pain for over a month, pissing blood. I have been to the Dick Smith, x rays and blood test, everything looks normal. I go for a CT scan with and without contact Wednesday. It feels like another kidney stone, which I have over a dozen, but from the x rays none have moved.

So after Saturdays fun, I'm kn real pain today!


ARman


That was one expensive oil change. Hope you’re feeling better soon.
 
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Originally posted by mikeyspizza:
It's amazing that so-called professionals in a shop can screw up even the most basic task.


I've met plenty of these "professionals"...used to work with some. There are indeed good knowledgeable mechanics out there, but there are also plenty of incompetent idiots...or guys who have the skills but just have horrible attitudes and don't care. Add to that that in many shops, the guys doing stuff like oil changes and brake jobs are often the bottom of the pecking order...less seniority and less experience.

Unless I know and trust the guy doing the work personally, I'll just do it myself. That way I know exactly what's wrong, exactly what I've done to fix it, what parts got used, and what to expect if I ever have to mess with it again. Even if I do screw something up, I've usually saved enough money doing the job myself that I can afford to correct it two or three times over and still come out ahead.

I'm currently dealing with an evap leak in my Suburban. This occurred after a new fuel pump was put in 2 months ago...the old one died on the highway in WY and I had to pay a wrecker company to tow and fix it. Cost me $1275, and now I still have to drop the tank and fix what they screwed up. I could have done the job myself 4 times for that money. I'm actually kicking myself at this point for not having them tow it to a NAPA store, buying what I needed, and doing the job myself in the parking lot...would have been less hastle.



For what it's worth; I had to replace the evap unit on my Yukon and Silverado when they were both around 60,000 miles. Not a hard job to do as I'm sure you know.


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Had that problem with my Acura RSX on the first oil change. The dang filter is on the back of the engine; very hard to access. The filter was super tight. Super annoying. The dealers over tighten them. I literally could not get it off (could now cause I have a jack and jack stands and could have gotten to it easier from underneath) but had it towed to CarMax with a very, very detailed note. They got it off. I went to their parking lot and finished the oil change right there.

One way to cut down on tools and replacing plugs/washer is to get the Valvomax oil change system



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Righty tighty, lefty loosy Big Grin


Uhm, except, some cars, have reverse threads on one side (I can't remember which) because, as the theory goes, the spinning rotation of the wheels can facilitate the lug nuts loosening.
I have never heard of such a thing . Anybody know which vehicles ?
 
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One way to cut down on tools and replacing plugs/washer is to get the Valvomax oil change system


Hmm... That actually seems like a better option than the Fumoto valve.
 
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Back in 76 I had a 54 Olds 98, first car, oil filter was a metal canister with bolt that you dropped in the filter element, replaced the o-ring and reinstalled the filer in the factory metal cover.

Did all that, changed the oil, no mess no fuss, started it up and checked oil all good, until...... The next morning I started it and backed out of the garage to warm it up before driving to school and then KaPoooomptht! The oil filter cover popped open, apparently I didn't get it on right, flooded the driveway.

Kitty litter to the rescue, pushed car in the garage cleaned up the oil that came out before I could get to the key, engine still good though.

Only good thing is I got out of school that day.

I'll change the Harley, lawn mower, pressure sprayer, but the Truck goes to the quickie change, and the wifes Lincoln goes to the dealer.
 
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I've always changed the oil myself until I bought my 2018 Nissan Titan . I crawled up under it one day to discover that there is a large plastic skid plate with about 10 bolts that covers everything I need to get to . Screw that . I'm not fighting with that thing . The dealer has been doing all of my oil changes and I have no issues so far .
 
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Ugh sorry to hear about this!

I can totally relate as I believe the same Gorilla must also work at the Chevy dealer where I go for service.

I’ve accepted that I will just take it in for all oil changes now and the same Gorilla can ALSO remove it! I figure the insanity and mess factor far exceeds the meager $$ savings.
 
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Righty tighty, lefty loosy Big Grin


Uhm, except, some cars, have reverse threads on one side (I can't remember which) because, as the theory goes, the spinning rotation of the wheels can facilitate the lug nuts loosening.
I have never heard of such a thing . Anybody know which vehicles ?


That as a MOPAR thing at one point back in the day if memory serves.
 
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not really related, but not a chance I would use an aftermarket filter on a wrx. I've seen way too many of them fail.


Well Subaru of America OEM oil filter is made by Fram. It is Fram's bottom of the line filter, with cardboard end caps, and Fram's other crap features.

Subaru of Japan uses Tokyo Roki oil filters, and so does the rest of the world, besides America. Subaru of America OEM is made by Fram. They were at one time made by Purolator. Which are on par with Tokyo Roki.

If you get a Fram oil filter at the auto parts store, it doesn't even meet Subaru (Japan) bypass valve psi of 23.8. So only God knows if Subaru of America OEM filters made by Fram meets it.

Fram states that their bypass valve is set at 11 PSI. Which means that they are in bypass most of the time.

WIX is a quality filter, one of the best manufactured. It has the correct bypass valve at 23 psi.

JDM, and the rest of the world still uses the Tokyo Roki oil filter for OEM. They are quality and WIX is about as close as you can get to that, without spending $20.00 to $50.00 bucks.

I found a place that has the proper Tokyo Roki oil filter, but to make it in the same price range as the WIX, I would have to buy 12 of them to get a discount, and they would be actually cheaper at $8.75 each to the WIX XP of $12.89.

NAPA filters are WIX filters, and I can get a discount on NAPA filters. I didn't get a NAPA Gold because they didn't have any in stock and I didn't want to wait for them to order them.


The blue Subaru oil filter is made by Fram,
It's what the dealership uses, so that's what I used when they did the oil change.

The WIX XP filter is 100000000000000000000% times better than the Fram made Subaru of America OEM oil filter.

ARman


ARman,

I'm not sure where you're getting your info but it's flatout wrong on many levels.

The blue Subie can is made Fram to Subie specs, including the bypass setting. It's is myth and wholly incorrect to say it's cardboard endcaps. They are not. They are pressed fiber material with other things that might look like cardboard but it isn't and never was. Fram says so, BITOG says so.

Fram's other crap can features? You didn't say what they were so I assume you are just giving a WAG.

The high bypass setting is been analyzed on oil forums and car forums for a long time. Fram even says that it's not needed. I've spoken to Mobil 1 Tech Support about it and they too are very aware of the high setting and also state, just like Fram, that it's not needed with synthetic media. If you don't understand delta pressure differentials then you won't know what they're talking about. High setting came about years ago for engines that used thicker oil and in cold environments. Today, with modern syn media filters and different oils, a Subie rarely goes into bypass, if at all. It will, like any car, if you floor the throttle the moment you start it up but who does that?

The blue can you get at Subie isn't the best filter in terms of filtering efficiency and grams of crud holding but it meets Subie's specs at their specified price point over the 6k interval but 6k on syn oil is an absolute waste of oil.

I'd like to see a UOA that shows the high bypass setting made any difference. I'll be waiting for a long time because there's aren't any.
 
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Oil change nightmare....

Anyone who changes their own oil has been there.

It's always the worst the first time after you get a new/different car.
When I got my wife's last Acura I had an oil change nightmare. I finally got the plug out, which was on way too tight... drained all of the oil and then couldn't get the filter off. I ended up putting the dirty oil back in and driving up to the Valvoline instant oil change place. I told them that I would be doing my own oil changes and please don't put the filter on too tight. It was fine after that.



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Yes it was Mopar that had the left handed lug nuts on the drivers side and they were notched on the lug itself. Still have a couple of sets.
 
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