Cowboy Action Shooting

henryaz

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Originally posted by Expert308:
Is there a rimfire variant of SASS? It might help get some people into shooting who are otherwise tentative at best, and at the same time be a little less expensive - ammo wise at least - than the centerfire variety.

I believe the loads most SASS shooters use are already lighter than rimfire.

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LtJL

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atually, kids in one division can use rimfire. Everybody else uses centerfire, and there is a bottom level to the loads. Some guys shoot bunny farts, some people use old duty ammo. BTW, all bullets must be lead. No jacketed bullets allowed. Some of the targets are too close.

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Not sure of the rules but perhaps consider a revolver and lever gun both chambered in a pistol caliber like .357 and then shoot .38s thru them? Be relatively cheap. Go with Uberti out of Italy.

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bendable

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its all fun and games , until they "have" to have a horse

and don't forget a stable boy ,
thats where they get you , right there

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Originally posted by Rolan_Kraps:
Cowboy Action Shooters (called "Ground shooters" by CMSA People) use real bullets and shotgun shells.

Real? Well . . .

CAS shooters use very low powered rounds in most divisions as the power requirements are super low. A 158 grain .38 bullet meets power factor at 380fps, but the rules require competitors to use a load that screams along at no less than 400fps with that bullet.

The other action shooting games like to tease CAS for their mouse-killer loads.

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the max is 1000fps for revolvers and 1400 fps for rifles.

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Originally posted by Rolan_Kraps:
Cowboy Action Shooters (called "Ground shooters" by CMSA People) use real bullets and shotgun shells.

Real? Well . . .

Yeah? Stand there and let me shoot you with MY rounds, or Bisleyblackhawk's. 125gr bullet at 760 FPS from my pistol, about 780 from my rifle. Go ahead, I'll wait.

CAS shooters use very low powered rounds in most divisions as the power requirements are super low. A 158 grain .38 bullet meets power factor at 380fps, but the rules require competitors to use a load that screams along at no less than 400fps with that bullet.

The other action shooting games like to tease CAS for their mouse-killer loads.

Rolan Kraps
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Originally posted by Rinehart:
chongosuerte, you reminded me of one of my son’s teachers back in elementary school in NY.

One of his female teachers participated and competed in mounted cowboy shooting. For those that don’t know- this is done on horseback while riding through a barrel-based obstacle course using two .45 pistols. They shoot targets mounted on poles for timing/points on accuracy. She was a a member of SASS (Single Action Shooting Society) as well as CMSA and several other national competitive organizations.

Don't quote me on this, but as I recall the pistols were Ruger Stainless Vaqueros. She had two.

The Cowboy Mounted Shooting Association is the fastest growing equestrian sport in the nation. Mounted contestants compete in a timed event using two .45 caliber single-action revolvers each loaded with five rounds of specially prepared blank ammunition. Cowboy mounted shooting is a combination of reining, barrel racing, horsemanship and marksmanship. Contestants carry two loaded revolvers, and execute one of more than 50 possible patterns. Each pattern consists of 10 balloons in which contestants shoot five balloons of one color, holster their first gun, run to the end of the arena draw their second revolver and shoot the remaining five balloons.

This was very interesting as she was a teacher in New York and used- well, you know… GUNS. The teacher’s association or whatever it is called had asked her to not mention the guns around kids so we found out by seeing her perform once.

So as to cost- in her case it was a horse, food/care/lodging/vet care for a horse, saddle/tack, clothing, a very nice dual gun-belt and two Ruger Vaqueros, (MSRP around $900 each), and special rounds.

Certainly not a cheap sport, but lots of fun and great to watch as a spectator.

Can your wife ride?

Below is Kenda Lenseigne in competition. (In 2009, Kenda Lenseigne made history when she became the first woman in Cowboy Mounted Shooting Association (CMSA) history to win the Overall at a World Championship, beating all male and female competitors to claim the title).

Sorry for the thread drift, but that's a geat looking mount!

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NK402

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Originally posted by Rinehart:
chongosuerte, you reminded me of one of my son’s teachers back in elementary school in NY.

One of his female teachers participated and competed in mounted cowboy shooting. For those that don’t know- this is done on horseback while riding through a barrel-based obstacle course using two .45 pistols. They shoot targets mounted on poles for timing/points on accuracy. She was a a member of SASS (Single Action Shooting Society) as well as CMSA and several other national competitive organizations.

Don't quote me on this, but as I recall the pistols were Ruger Stainless Vaqueros. She had two.

The Cowboy Mounted Shooting Association is the fastest growing equestrian sport in the nation. Mounted contestants compete in a timed event using two .45 caliber single-action revolvers each loaded with five rounds of specially prepared blank ammunition. Cowboy mounted shooting is a combination of reining, barrel racing, horsemanship and marksmanship. Contestants carry two loaded revolvers, and execute one of more than 50 possible patterns. Each pattern consists of 10 balloons in which contestants shoot five balloons of one color, holster their first gun, run to the end of the arena draw their second revolver and shoot the remaining five balloons.

This was very interesting as she was a teacher in New York and used- well, you know… GUNS. The teacher’s association or whatever it is called had asked her to not mention the guns around kids so we found out by seeing her perform once.

So as to cost- in her case it was a horse, food/care/lodging/vet care for a horse, saddle/tack, clothing, a very nice dual gun-belt and two Ruger Vaqueros, (MSRP around $900 each), and special rounds.

Certainly not a cheap sport, but lots of fun and great to watch as a spectator.

Can your wife ride?

Below is Kenda Lenseigne in competition. (In 2009, Kenda Lenseigne made history when she became the first woman in Cowboy Mounted Shooting Association (CMSA) history to win the Overall at a World Championship, beating all male and female competitors to claim the title).

Sorry for the thread drift, but that's a geat looking mount!

Which one?

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chongosuerte,
Email me and we'll talk.

I'd be happy to meet with you somewhere close to me and let her try the guns. Our club in NE Georgia is a VERY good place to start. We are a small, laid back club, and we are a very friendly place to start.

As I mentioned in my earlier post, you'll need 4 guns. You'll also need a rig that has at LEAST 2 holsters, a belt, and a slide to hold shotshells. You can pay as much for these as you would like, but I found a nice source.

The link below takes to to photos of their holster sets made by Johnny Cross Draw in Spokane, Washington. Each set contains 1). the gun belt with three holsters (right, left and cross draw) with ammo slots, 2). an ammo belt for the shotgun shells and some rounds, 3). 2 drawstring brass bags, and 4). 2 leather ammo loading strips.

The brown set is the basic set and comes with all the above for $160 plus about $13-$14 for shipping. Everything is shipped in a box from the Post Office and while the packing is not terrific, it all arrives in great shape. The black set is an upgraded version since Peggysue wanted some conchos on her set. Johnny made the black set with all the same items in the set for $190 plus the same $13-$14 shipping. The first photo shows the entire set but only 1 of the ammo blocks since Peggysue put her two together, but you do get two of them. The rest of the photos are individual views of the various pieces. He makes these sets in 3 colors - Black, Brown and Natural.

He takes about 7-10 days to make the set once the payment is received and his communication is generally pretty good. I initially found him on Ebay, but since he donates the proceeds to charity, I bought the second set directly from him via email at johnnycrossdraw@msn.com. If someone contacts him via email, he will respond and get details such as waist size, color preference, ammo size, and type of pistols so him can custom fit the holsters. We treated each of our sets with saddle soap when we got them to ease the leather and make it easier to draw.

http://s280.photobucket.com/us...ohnny%20Cross%20Draw

Also, She'll need some kind of "cart". I have lots of plans that I will send you free, if you can nail boards together.

Rolan Kraps
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Gainesville, Georgia.
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Expert308

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Originally posted by Rinehart:
Below is Kenda Lenseigne in competition. (In 2009, Kenda Lenseigne made history when she became the first woman in Cowboy Mounted Shooting Association (CMSA) history to win the Overall at a World Championship, beating all male and female competitors to claim the title).

Are those water-filled balloons? That horse looks like he's been splashed more than a few times. Or has a serious birthmark.

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Are those water-filled balloons? That horse looks like he's been splashed more than a few times. Or has a serious birthmark.

They are filled with air.

Rolan Kraps
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Originally posted by Rolan_Kraps:
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Originally posted by jhe888:
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Originally posted by Rolan_Kraps:
Cowboy Action Shooters (called "Ground shooters" by CMSA People) use real bullets and shotgun shells.

Real? Well . . .

Yeah? Stand there and let me shoot you with MY rounds, or Bisleyblackhawk's. 125gr bullet at 760 FPS from my pistol, about 780 from my rifle. Go ahead, I'll wait.

CAS shooters use very low powered rounds in most divisions as the power requirements are super low. A 158 grain .38 bullet meets power factor at 380fps, but the rules require competitors to use a load that screams along at no less than 400fps with that bullet.

The other action shooting games like to tease CAS for their mouse-killer loads.

I know - that is the standard retort, and of course no one ever wants to be shot. I wouldn't volunteer to be shot with an air rifle, so that doesn't mean much.

But you can't argue that those are not light loads. They are way under any of the other games with a power factor, and way under what is thought to be adequate for self defense.

I don't blame you - if I played the SASS game, you can be damn sure I'd use them.

I even said it was teasing.

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Originally posted by jhe888:
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Originally posted by Rolan_Kraps:
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Originally posted by jhe888:
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Originally posted by Rolan_Kraps:
Cowboy Action Shooters (called "Ground shooters" by CMSA People) use real bullets and shotgun shells.

Real? Well . . .

Yeah? Stand there and let me shoot you with MY rounds, or Bisleyblackhawk's. 125gr bullet at 760 FPS from my pistol, about 780 from my rifle. Go ahead, I'll wait.

CAS shooters use very low powered rounds in most divisions as the power requirements are super low. A 158 grain .38 bullet meets power factor at 380fps, but the rules require competitors to use a load that screams along at no less than 400fps with that bullet.

The other action shooting games like to tease CAS for their mouse-killer loads.

I know - that is the standard retort, and of course no one ever wants to be shot. I wouldn't volunteer to be shot with an air rifle, so that doesn't mean much.

But you can't argue that those are not light loads. They are way under any of the other games with a power factor, and way under what is thought to be adequate for self defense.

I don't blame you - if I played the SASS game, you can be damn sure I'd use them.

I even said it was teasing.

Well alrighty then!

Rolan Kraps
SASS Regulator
Gainesville, Georgia.
NRA Range Safety Officer
NRA Certified Instructor - Pistol / Personal Protection Inside the Home

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slosig

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Originally posted by Expert308:
Are those water-filled balloons? That horse looks like he's been splashed more than a few times. Or has a serious birthmark.

Nah, that’s sweat. Either the horse has been working relatively hard or he’s keyed up with a lot of nervous energy. Either will produce that pattern. If you pulled the saddle off he’d be sopping wet under it also.

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slosig

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Originally posted by Rinehart:
hrcjon, just out of curiousity, what does it cost to feed/vet visits/board a horse a year these days?
I used to have someone in the family who bred Palominos back in the day and I remember roughly what it was a year, but that was in the 80's...

I suspect it makes a big difference where you are. As far as the board, I was surprised that it hadn’t gone up more. In CA, going from Santa Paula in the ‘80s to San Luis Obispo today (more expensive area), the board has roughly doubled.

Vet costs are totally unpredictable. The Quarter Horses I rode back then (western) never needed much of anything and we wormed them ourselves. The Thoroughbred that the wife and daughter ride today seems to be a high maintenance nag with magnets in her her feet who can find something to poke a hole in her feet anywhere and likes to colic from time to time just for fun. Can’t really compare those costs.

Horses themselves seem to have gone up a whole heck of a lot more than 2x, at least around here.

One thing that struck me as new (maybe it existed then, but I never knew about it) is the insurance that you can get now on horses. It covers a lot of medical costs and replacement cost if the horse dies for something like five percent of stated value.

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not sure if you were joking, but yes the ones my wife rides have exactly that. Nothing in horses is as it seems or cheap.
And to OKCGene at least shoveling manure is cheap as I don't charge myself.
Whenever possible in your life avoid horses.

Actually, I was being facetious.

Your wife's horses actually have hearing protection?

I grew up around horses, did the whole 4-H thing, rode since I was little, showed, competed, worked in two stables, etc...my brother went on to breed horses and become a vet. I've never seen hearing protection for a horse.

Where do you find it and how does it work?

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Your wife's horses actually have hearing protection?

Yup they do, if you had a .45LC blank going off just above your head you'd wish you had it too.
There are both internal and external versions. My wife's go to horse does best with the internal ones. They look like a miniature tribble from star trek if you are that age...
Google Pomms ear plugs for horses and you will see a bunch, but there are a lot of different brands. I have no wish for these horses to be deaf when older so they get some form of protection whenever there is shooting around them. Her other CMS horse does fine with internal and external so he gets external ones since I think they give much higher suppression.
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Also google JM leather. Used to live in Houston. I know a number of cowboys that use his leather. I've shot with him. Great guy. Now lives in North Carolina I believe.

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