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| Jack of All Trades, Master of Nothing  |
I've got a 2015 F150 Supercrew with the 3.5 Ecoboost that I've been happy with. When my wife bought her latest 4Runner a couple of months ago they made me a great offer on a Tundra that had me thinking. The Tundra is a great truck, but there's a lot of little things about my F-150 that I like better. The interior, ergonomics and comfort are a lot more refined. Little stuff that I use everyday like having a totally flat floor under the rear seat to allow me to stow things like my bow case out of view, the Tundra's tailgate lock isn't integrated into the power locks for the rest of the truck, the nav system in the Tundra is dated and the center console seems to take up a lot of space without offering much storage. The Tundra does drive more like a truck and that could be a good or bad thing depending on what you are looking for. The Silverado gets a major redesign for 2019 so that might be something to research and consider. I'm intrigued by the F-150 diesel that's supposed to debut this spring. Good luck with your quest, drive them all and see what suits you best, they've all got different personalities to them. My daughter can deflate your daughter's soccer ball. | |||
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There is no one size fits all, or one answer to your question. If you plan to keep your next vehicle 15+ years, resale value is all but irrelevant given whatever you buy will be worth little to nothing at the end of that time frame. One thing to consider about the Tundra that has continually annoyed me. Toyota is at the forefront of development and design on all their 'cars'. The cutting edge stuff they come up with is market/industry leading. Yet the Tundra never seems to get that sort of attention and improvements. Its certainly not a bad product, but its no where close to what it could be if Toyota took building a truck seriously, instead of building a place holder in the market. Every half ton on the market has its pro's and con's. You'll simply have to weigh them for yourself and decide what the best truck is for you. ----------------------------- Guns are awesome because they shoot solid lead freedom. Every man should have several guns. And several dogs, because a man with a cat is a woman. Kurt Schlichter | |||
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Nope. Ford outsells both combined. 2018 Truck Sales Numbers Now I will tell you this is all trucks. Ford Sold 896,764 F-Series trucks in 2017 Chevy sold 585,864 Silverado trucks in 2017 GMC sold 217,943 Sierra trucks in 2017 GM sold a total of 803,807 trucks in 2017 Ford sold 92,957 more fullsize trucks than the GM companies combined. Sometimes, you gotta roll the hard six | |||
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It's gone back and forth the past few years but if you go back over the years (sorry, not doing the digging today for this) GM sold more combined. | |||
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| Green grass and high tides  |
i don't have a track record on newer trucks. I think the quality gap has been closed between Toyota and the other three. But there is still one. I would look Toyota first. I do not care for all the bells and whistle's they put in the new ones. I think Dodge is probably the best value of the remaining three. I have traditionally been a GM guy as far as domestic trucks go. But my newest one in a gen2 Tundra. Been a great truck. I cannot believe the prices. "Practice like you want to play in the game" | |||
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My F150 is only 22 years old, so I'm not in the market. If I were, I'd get another F150 so it would go another 22 years or so! ___________________________ "I Get It Now" Beth Greene | |||
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Nissan Titan. I am on my second one. The first one I totaled after 6 months when I fell asleep, hit a pole and rolled it 5 times. Walked away without a scratch. While the titan was a lot lighter than my previous truck (Dodge Ram), I was impressed by it's toughness. My current Titan has 130,000 miles on it and the only rust (a lot actually) is on the rear bumper. My problem with the Ram was the heater. No matter how long I drove, it never really got more than somewhat warm. John The key to enforcement is to punish the violator, not an inanimate object. The punishment of inanimate objects for the commission of a crime or carelessness is an affront to stupidity. | |||
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Drill Here, Drill Now |
I'm a frequent traveler. We use National car rental so I get to walk into Emerald Aisle and choose any vehicle available to drive. I've driven both the Toyota and the F-150, and the F-150 gets the nod on drive-ability, creature comforts, and it's a tad easier to park. Ego is the anesthesia that deadens the pain of stupidity DISCLAIMER: These are the author's own personal views and do not represent the views of the author's employer. | |||
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| Thank you Very little  |
LMAO, My 03 F150 doesn't burn oil or have any of the maladays of the previous posters, 156,000 miles, supercharged 4.6 v8 runs fine, only thing replaced on it has been tires, brake pads and rotors. Some folks are so bent up on Jap is better than Domestic still, it's not the case, the US companies have significantly improved quality and surpassed the japanese. Of the Metric the Toyota is USA assembled, a good truck, I find it's design boring, but that's toyota. Now a Tacoma is different. If you want a nice truck at a low price Nissan can't give away their large pickups, even though they are well built, and you can get a Diesel in the 150 level truck. Buy whatever you like, I would test drive them all, see what you feel comfortable in, and what you can get the best price for, at 15 years depreciation is over and it's worth what it's worth. At that point get what you want. None of these are bad choices, and as a whole quality is good across the board, you really can't go wrong with any of them. | |||
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Good luck on your decision - I find trucks are generally built better and last longer than sedans, so regardless what you pick the frame and motor should last you a very long time with basic maintenance. The reliability/quality arguments are moot imo - get the one you like the best and enjoy. Every manufacturer is capable of fault. I have an 06 silverado with about 85,000 miles on it. Only repairs have been a new radiator and steering shaft. My best friend has a '10 Tundra - he's had to replace just about every major part of the braking system and an axle, and may possibly have the rusting frame problem. My Uncle's 2014 F-150 had to have a complete engine replacement at 34000 miles. My co-worker's RAM is a 2014 with over 60K miles and hasn't had a problem yet. My dad's '12 silverado already has an oil burning issue at only 50,000 miles. The point is they're all machines and problems are inevitable. Since you're looking at keeping a vehicle for the long haul I don't think resale value matters much. The Tundra would be the sensible choice if you knew you'd be trading in 5 or 6 years *Handguns are fine, Shotguns are final | |||
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Thanks for everyone's comments; you've given me a lot to consider. Looks like it's close between Toyota and Ford, with the GM twins coming in 3rd. The suggestions to try driving all of them makes a lot of sense since I can compare them all against each other in addition to what I've been used to with my 2003. I had to get a rebuilt transmission for mine a couple years ago, so mine hasn't impressed me with its reliability, needless to say. | |||
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| Green grass and high tides |
I did not mention the Nissan as another member mentioned. I would at least look at them. While not generally mention in these types of threads. They are always spoken highly of every time I read something about them. "Practice like you want to play in the game" | |||
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I've always had great reliability with Toyota trucks, but would second the suggestion to drive them all. We have a new Nissan NV van (same drive train as their trucks) and have been very impressed with it. The only complaint I have heard from new Tundra owners is about the gas mileage (although the new ones have a huge gas tank to keep the range up). Likewise i have heard many new GMC/Chev owners really impressed about the gas mileage they are getting. Also, I don't like the bed length options with the Toyota and Nissan as I don't think you can get a full size crew cab with a 6.5 foot bed. In the end though, if you are going to keep it 15 years, I would get the Toyota. | |||
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| Shit don't mean shit |
Apparently I am behind the times. I checked 2016 data and you sir, are correct. My mistake. Gm - 796,556 Ford - 820,799 | |||
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Considering you want to keep it a long time I'd definitely go with a Tundra. The negative on a Tundra is it'll probably get 2 mpg less than a Ford or GM. But no variable cylinder management and no turbo, both which would concern me on a long term vehicle. I recently replaced my 2004 Tundra, giving it to my son. Two minor recalls which Toyota took good care of and that's the only times it was ever worked on. Still had the original brake pads at 90K and that's driven here in hilly country. I did change engine oil, brake fluid, trans/diff/transfer case oils myself. I recall a thread years back on Tundra Solutions; "who has the most miles on their Tundra?" I started scrolling through it seeing many with the typical 200,000, 250,000, 300,000 milage reported with almost no issues of any kind. Then a guy posted his with something like 465,000 miles and no major issues other than something like an AC compressor at 400,000 miles. Nothing in the drivetrain had ever been worked on. I just don't see a F150 or Silverado (or my Honda Ridgeline for that matter) having this kind of trouble free longevity. Here's one that went over twice that mileage. http://www.autoguide.com/auto-...e-toyota-tundra.html No car is as much fun to drive, as any motorcycle is to ride. | |||
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I'm with you. Coming from a Taco I figured I would get a Tundra when I decided on a full size. After comparing the Tundra, GM's and Ford the Tundra seemed like it was at least a generation behind those two, didn't look at a Ram. | |||
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| 7.62mm Crusader |
I posted last year of a Tundra with 1,020,130 on its clock and still running good. Guy was a hot shot driver hauling parts and supplies for gas and oil drilling. Coast to coast both east west and north south. They took his 2007 truck, to study it and gave him a new 2016. Thats some good service life and it was still a good truck. Search million mile Tundra. | |||
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| My other Sig is a Steyr.  |
Now of course you can add Colorado / Canyon sales to GM 'trucks' and come up with 948,909. Doesn't count the Kodiak variants. Then guess if the F-750 is added into the F-Series with the F-350 & F450 also. Would they add sales of the Global Ranger? Divide that by the number of sales on Wednesday, but only if you are holding a church mouse caught by the light of the moon... | |||
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My wife has a 2001 F150, that still rides like new, the only repair was something in the front suspension that cost like $200. My 2012 F150 had zero repairs for 46K miles. My 2016 F150 has been flawless. It will tow a large skidloader, and it gets over 20MPG when it is not towing. You can actually sleep on the flat floor in the rear seat. Then again, my neighbor has a trouble free 98 Chevy 1500. My buddy has a trouble free 2011 Tundra. So there are a lot of reliable trucks out there. Service and maintenance availability should be a major consideration, I have been dealing with the same Ford dealer since 1994. The local Chevy dealer is for crap, I tell you! It s good advice to try before you buy. I got rid of my 2012 F150 because my wife found the passenger seat uncomfortable. Ford currently offers several styles of seating, and the bucket seats fit us both to a T, but you have to get a specific interior package for that type of seating. Just like pistols, we live in the golden age of full size pickup trucks. They sure cost plenty though.... ---------------------------------------------------- Dances with Crabgrass | |||
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| As Extraordinary as Everyone Else  |
We'll all three of the manufacturer's have had vehicles that have done that... Here's an interesting list of the highest mileage vehicles known... https://www.cheatsheet.com/aut...iles.html/?a=viewall ------------------ Eddie Our Founding Fathers were men who understood that the right thing is not necessarily the written thing. -kkina | |||
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