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delicately calloused |
Linky What do you think? In a way, I like the idea of a Caribbean State. But, given their socialist propensity and that they would have representation in congress, I'm not a fan. I think remaining a US territory is the best status. Anyone been there? How did you like it? Been thinking of vacationing there recently. You’re a lying dog-faced pony soldier | ||
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they need to drag themselves out of debt first. | |||
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| probably a good thing I don't have a cut |
If they could do that they wouldn't want Statehood. | |||
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| Freethinker |
They need to be given their independence. It would give the people who want to secede from the US now a bit of an idea what that would be like. ► 6.4/93.6 “I regret that I am to now die in the belief, that the useless sacrifice of themselves by the generation of 1776, to acquire self-government and happiness to their country, is to be thrown away by the unwise and unworthy passions of their sons, and that my only consolation is to be, that I live not to weep over it.” — Thomas Jefferson | |||
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Coin Sniper |
Hmmm I'm not sure where I stand on this one. Is this just a case of they've dug themselves in a hole so deep that they'll never get out and see deep pockets on the mainland, or do they really offer the United States a viable benefit. Wait, can we trade for California? Pronoun: His Royal Highness and benevolent Majesty of all he surveys 343 - Never Forget Its better to be Pavlov's dog than Schrodinger's cat There are three types of mistakes; Those you learn from, those you suffer from, and those you don't survive. | |||
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| Raised Hands Surround Us Three Nails To Protect Us  |
SHIT HOLE! Good food though. Got paid to go won't go again  ———————————————— The world's not perfect, but it's not that bad. If we got each other, and that's all we have. I will be your brother, and I'll hold your hand. You should know I'll be there for you! | |||
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They're broke & continue to drain us. What will they do for us? | |||
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אַרְיֵה |
They can have all the referenda (is that the plural of referendum?) that they want. They can vote all that they want. None of that will make Puerto Rico a state. There's a lot more to the process than just a vote. As to DF's question about vacationing, I have no current knowledge, but I did spend a bit over five years in Puerto Rico: two years in the Navy, at Roosevelt Roads Naval Air Station in the late 1950s, and then another three years or so from early 1966 to late 1968, working for International Tel & Tel. I loved the climate, the people, and most things about the island, but it was also frustrating as hell at times. I'm sure that things have changed, big time, but I sure would like to get back there for a vacation visit. Not sure if I'd want to go back there to live. הרחפת שלי מלאה בצלופחים | |||
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| Bodhisattva |
They voted no on statehood four times. Now they need a bailout and vote yes? Fuck 'em. We should have spun them off decades ago. | |||
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Not really from Vienna |
Yeah, cut 'em loose. | |||
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| It's not easy being me |
Bingo!!! _______________________________________ Flammable, Inflammable, or Nonflammable....... Hell, either it Flams or it doesn't!! (George Carlin) | |||
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Ammoholic |
Thank God. Most important part of article.
Jesse Sic Semper Tyrannis | |||
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Probably on a trip |
That place is a hot freaking mess. The only reason they do not have 1,000% inflation is because they have the luxury of using the US dollar. Add them as a state, with two guaranteed left-wing senators and another member of the house? No thanks. Sort your shit out, Puerto Rico. This and no other is the root from which a tyrant springs; when he first appears above ground he is a protector. Plato | |||
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Who else? |
This is no more than a money grab by socialists whose system has failed. They are 3.5 million people with 123 billion in debt. By contrast, California, who we revile with their skyrocketing debt, has 39 million people and 1.3 trillion in debt. Puerto Rico has higher per capita debt than California; so that should tell you something about their political leanings. Those that come stateside and vote? They vote predominantly Democrat. They love social programs - and that is what this 'vote' is all about. Under the PROMESA panel convened to have authority over their spending (because they cannot declare bankruptcy, per se), they are about to undergo severe budget cuts to services, pensions, medical care (the free kind)...everything is on the table. 45% of them live in poverty, by US standards. They have 12.5% unemployment. 1 out of every three are on food stamps. They have no real industrial or agricultural base to sustain themselves, are a drain on themselves - so becoming a drain on someone else is their goal. If you pay attention, when they fly the Puerto Rican flag and the US flag, they actually fly the US flag BELOW the US flag on the same pole. They have no regard or respect for the US, except what they can get from it. They are worse off than Cuba now, and Puerto Rico has over twice the GDP. That should tell you that the socialists in Puerto Rico outdid even the communists in Cuba. They are looking at a bailout, an additional 10 billion or so a year from the Federal government, not to mention increased Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, Welfare, Unemployment and any tit they can latch on to to siphon money their way. They do NOT want to be accountable under the PROMESA accountability. They are insisting someone else pay their bills. And they are going to get two fresh Senators and a handful of representatives in the House of Representatives. They will all be Democrats. What might they be like? Think Luis Guttierrez: More illegals, More Jihadis They have nothing to offer the US. They are a failed socialist state, like many Caribbean and South American countries. Regardless of their hoped for snatching of dollars from the US taxpayers, Congress still would have to approve statehood. Which, with a GOP controlled Congress and the focus on cutting expenditures, isn't likely to happen. Once they kicked us out of Vieques, we should have cut them adrift. | |||
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| Gracie Allen is my personal savior! |
These are also portions of the article that count.
I don't know that this is quite what Governor Rossello says it is. A 23% turnout in a nonbinding referendum just doesn't quite seem like the basis for a bid for statehood. | |||
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Member |
This! We have enough on 'permanent welfare' now. I see no need to increase the rate of our never ending decline due to debt. ———- Do not meddle in the affairs of wizards, for thou art crunchy and taste good with catsup. | |||
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I have a soft spot for Puerto Rico, I was married there some 20 odd years ago. That being said, this is no more than an effort to suck of the US capital teet. Cut them loose, and they may go the way of cuba. | |||
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| Lawyers, Guns and Money  |
Sums it up.... Yeah, cut 'em loose. "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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| Yokel |
Please don't throw Us under the bus.  There are some good people stuck here. I will Cal Exit soon as I retire in a couple years. Beware the man who only has one gun. He probably knows how to use it! - John Steinbeck | |||
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Tinker Sailor Soldier Pie |
Or maybe they just decided that they want to get on the Trump train. ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan | |||
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