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What do you think? In a way, I like the idea of a Caribbean State. But, given their socialist propensity and that they would have representation in congress, I'm not a fan. I think remaining a US territory is the best status.

Anyone been there? How did you like it? Been thinking of vacationing there recently.

they need to drag themselves out of debt first.

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Originally posted by DSgrouse:
they need to drag themselves out of debt first.

If they could do that they wouldn't want Statehood.

They need to be given their independence.
It would give the people who want to secede from the US now a bit of an idea what that would be like.

Hmmm I'm not sure where I stand on this one. Is this just a case of they've dug themselves in a hole so deep that they'll never get out and see deep pockets on the mainland, or do they really offer the United States a viable benefit.

Wait, can we trade for California?

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Originally posted by darthfuster:
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What do you think? In a way, I like the idea of a Caribbean State. But, given their socialist propensity and that they would have representation in congress, I'm not a fan. I think remaining a US territory is the best status.

Anyone been there? How did you like it? Been thinking of vacationing there recently.

SHIT HOLE! Good food though. Got paid to go won't go again

They're broke & continue to drain us.
What will they do for us?

They can have all the referenda (is that the plural of referendum?) that they want. They can vote all that they want. None of that will make Puerto Rico a state. There's a lot more to the process than just a vote.

As to DF's question about vacationing, I have no current knowledge, but I did spend a bit over five years in Puerto Rico: two years in the Navy, at Roosevelt Roads Naval Air Station in the late 1950s, and then another three years or so from early 1966 to late 1968, working for International Tel & Tel. I loved the climate, the people, and most things about the island, but it was also frustrating as hell at times.

I'm sure that things have changed, big time, but I sure would like to get back there for a vacation visit. Not sure if I'd want to go back there to live.

They voted no on statehood four times. Now they need a bailout and vote yes? Fuck 'em.
We should have spun them off decades ago.

Yeah, cut 'em loose.

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Originally posted by nukeandpave:
They voted no on statehood four times. Now they need a bailout and vote yes? Fuck 'em.
We should have spun them off decades ago.

Bingo!!!

Thank God. Most important part of article.

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And the U.S. Congress has final say in any changes to Puerto Rico's political status.

That place is a hot freaking mess.

The only reason they do not have 1,000% inflation is because they have the luxury of using the US dollar.

Add them as a state, with two guaranteed left-wing senators and another member of the house? No thanks.

Sort your shit out, Puerto Rico.

This is no more than a money grab by socialists whose system has failed.

They are 3.5 million people with 123 billion in debt.

By contrast, California, who we revile with their skyrocketing debt, has 39 million people and 1.3 trillion in debt.

Puerto Rico has higher per capita debt than California; so that should tell you something about their political leanings.

Those that come stateside and vote? They vote predominantly Democrat. They love social programs - and that is what this 'vote' is all about.

Under the PROMESA panel convened to have authority over their spending (because they cannot declare bankruptcy, per se), they are about to undergo severe budget cuts to services, pensions, medical care (the free kind)...everything is on the table.

45% of them live in poverty, by US standards. They have 12.5% unemployment. 1 out of every three are on food stamps. They have no real industrial or agricultural base to sustain themselves, are a drain on themselves - so becoming a drain on someone else is their goal. If you pay attention, when they fly the Puerto Rican flag and the US flag, they actually fly the US flag BELOW the US flag on the same pole. They have no regard or respect for the US, except what they can get from it.

They are worse off than Cuba now, and Puerto Rico has over twice the GDP.

That should tell you that the socialists in Puerto Rico outdid even the communists in Cuba.

They are looking at a bailout, an additional 10 billion or so a year from the Federal government, not to mention increased Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, Welfare, Unemployment and any tit they can latch on to to siphon money their way.

They do NOT want to be accountable under the PROMESA accountability. They are insisting someone else pay their bills.

And they are going to get two fresh Senators and a handful of representatives in the House of Representatives. They will all be Democrats. What might they be like?

Think Luis Guttierrez: More illegals, More Jihadis

They have nothing to offer the US. They are a failed socialist state, like many Caribbean and South American countries.

Regardless of their hoped for snatching of dollars from the US taxpayers, Congress still would have to approve statehood. Which, with a GOP controlled Congress and the focus on cutting expenditures, isn't likely to happen.

Once they kicked us out of Vieques, we should have cut them adrift.

These are also portions of the article that count.

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Puerto Rico's governor announced that the U.S. territory overwhelmingly chose statehood on Sunday in a nonbinding referendum[.]

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Voter turnout was just 23 per cent, leading opponents to question the validity of a vote that several political parties had urged their supporters to boycott.

I don't know that this is quite what Governor Rossello says it is. A 23% turnout in a nonbinding referendum just doesn't quite seem like the basis for a bid for statehood.

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Originally posted by sigfreund:
They need to be given their independence.
It would give the people who want to secede from the US now a bit of an idea what that would be like.

This!
We have enough on 'permanent welfare' now. I see no need to increase the rate of our never ending decline due to debt.

I have a soft spot for Puerto Rico, I was married there some 20 odd years ago. That being said, this is no more than an effort to suck of the US capital teet.

Cut them loose, and they may go the way of cuba.

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Originally posted by nukeandpave:
They voted no on statehood four times. Now they need a bailout and vote yes? Fuck 'em.
We should have spun them off decades ago.

Sums it up....
Yeah, cut 'em loose.

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Originally posted by Rightwire:

Wait, can we trade for California?

Please don't throw Us under the bus.
There are some good people stuck here.

I will Cal Exit soon as I retire in a couple years.

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Originally posted by nukeandpave:
They voted no on statehood four times. Now they need a bailout and vote yes? Fuck 'em.
We should have spun them off decades ago.

Or maybe they just decided that they want to get on the Trump train.