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Originally posted by Graniteguy:
The anger of the Patriots needs to be directed at the negligent Governors and Mayors.

Send 1,000 people to bang pots and yell through a bullhorn outside their homes every evening and weekend. Give them a taste of what every one else is being forced to put up with.

Now that, I would love to see happen!!!

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Originally posted by tleo205:

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I could not disagree more. Patriots should not find themselves backing up thugs so they can really lay on the beat down and punish them lest they themselves become thugs. Dealing with thuggery is the job of the police and if, and only if, the police fail to do their jobs should the minimal amount of force needed be used to ensure one's safety.

That's the problem. The police have been forbidden by the politicians from taking the needed action to clear the streets from these thugs and criminals. Unfortunately, the only thing these thugs will understand is that they risk getting much worse than they have dished out if they continue their attacks and assaults.

Seems there was a lot of riots, looting, vandalism, re the Rodney King matters in LA, ~1992. IIRC, there was a report that the Korean neighborhoods/businesses were mostly unharmed, as the rioters knew the Koreans had firearms and would use them.

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Originally posted by wcb6092:
Portland Police Attacked In Broad Daylight After Antifa Erects New 'Autonomous Zone'

That vid makes my blood boil. The cops there are caught in the middle of a political mess.

The Fallacy of Perpetual Protest

Hardcore black Democrats are the new Palestinians. They are so consumed with revenge, hate, and self-pity, it is impossible for them to function as a proper part of society. They have become dysfunctional and undisciplined instead of steeling themselves to obey the laws that most other Americans follow effortlessly. Instead, they are now fighting to defund the police so they can break the law without consequence.

For the past six months, America has witnessed raw and in living color, the hidden society that liberal Democrats consider normal. Rioting, murder, and thuggery. Democrats have started every riot in America over the past 60 years. Watts, Detroit, Washington, D.C., Los Angeles, even Charlottesville. Now they are rioting, looting, burning, and killing all over the country.

Isn’t it amazing that conservatives of all races never riot? We may demonstrate but we don’t riot. Why? Because we do not trust the government. We know the government cannot fix our problems. We will demonstrate to remind the government of what will happen to it if it attempts to infringe, abridge, or violate our unalienable rights.

Observing the spectacle of the past six months, you can see how some believe leftists to be full of hate. Their hatred is toxic and contagious. As in Herman Melville’s Moby Dick, when the hateful Captain Ahab infected the once peaceful crew of the Pequod with the deadly disease of revenge, anti-Christian leftists have infected once-peaceful Americans. Even in death, the corpse of the hate-filled Ahab summoned the crew of the Pequod to their deaths. Likewise, Democrats are using the corpses of long-dead Confederate Democrats and their victimized slaves to summon America to its demise.

Black Democrats have learned well from their former masters and present oppressors how to hate and justify all manner of evil because of perceived or imaginary injustice. They are on a rampage seeking revenge against dead and imaginary foes. They are summoning all of America to follow them to Hell. We must resist at all costs.

https://amgreatness.com/2020/1...f-perpetual-protest/

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Originally posted by FiveFiveSixFan:

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The patriots disengaged with the thugs too soon in almost all of those video's. Once you have them backing up that's when you really lay the beat down on. That's why you're there right? You punish them to the point where the less committed will just stay home next time or they have not yet been discharged from the hospital.

I could not disagree more. Patriots should not find themselves backing up thugs so they can really lay on the beat down and punish them lest they themselves become thugs. Dealing with thuggery is the job of the police and if, and only if, the police fail to do their jobs should the minimal amount of force needed be used to ensure one's safety.

Extreme political pressure needs to be placed on progressive politicians and police administrators who allow truly peaceful, often patriotic protesters/counter-protesters to be run roughshod over by thugs. The alternative is vigilantism and the expansion of extreme civil unrest which benefits no one but the anarchists.

Perhaps you have a point and quite possibly your assessment is the correct one. From my point of view once you are engaged to the level these people were engaged it's game on. Antifa is clearly there for the fight and the patriots knew when they left home this confrontation was a distinct possibility and came prepared to fight as well. Like I said, if that's what you're there for then finish it.

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Originally posted by Graniteguy:
The anger of the Patriots needs to be directed at the negligent Governors and Mayors.

Send 1,000 people to bang pots and yell through a bullhorn outside their homes every evening and weekend. Give them a taste of what every one else is being forced to put up with.

I would include the media that has turned into Pravda. If they do not report the truth they have chosen sides and should be treated not different than the POLs that betray us.

Good video on BLM and Antifa actions and other interesting intel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?...qMk&feature=youtu.be

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Originally posted by wcb6092:
Portland Police Attacked In Broad Daylight After Antifa Erects New 'Autonomous Zone'

https://www.zerohedge.com/poli...ther-autonomous-zone

Sitting here shaking my head over this video. This is one of the most demoralizing things I have ever seen. I cannot imagine any department I was ever associated with allowing themselves to be essentially run out of town. Whatever it takes law enforcement needs to go in there and take control, and if they are not allowed to do that, well last officer out please turn off the lights.

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well last officer out please turn off the lights.

....and lower the flag

If only the PPD would go full on Berserker on these punks. Full on Berserker.

“I mean plum mad dog mean.”
[FLASH_VIDEO]


Link to original video: https://youtu.be/yid-CW-O9Qw [/FLASH_VIDEO]

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Originally posted by HayesGreener:

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Originally posted by wcb6092:
Portland Police Attacked In Broad Daylight After Antifa Erects New 'Autonomous Zone'

https://www.zerohedge.com/poli...ther-autonomous-zone

Sitting here shaking my head over this video. This is one of the most demoralizing things I have ever seen. I cannot imagine any department I was ever associated with allowing themselves to be essentially run out of town. Whatever it takes law enforcement needs to go in there and take control, and if they are not allowed to do that, well last officer out please turn off the lights.

We have to accept that some places are beyond saving.

There is a policing shortage in America. These cops need to move on to greener pastures.

Nothing a few well-placed police snipers can't fix!

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Originally posted by jljones:

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Originally posted by HayesGreener:

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Originally posted by wcb6092:
Portland Police Attacked In Broad Daylight After Antifa Erects New 'Autonomous Zone'

https://www.zerohedge.com/poli...ther-autonomous-zone

Sitting here shaking my head over this video. This is one of the most demoralizing things I have ever seen. I cannot imagine any department I was ever associated with allowing themselves to be essentially run out of town. Whatever it takes law enforcement needs to go in there and take control, and if they are not allowed to do that, well last officer out please turn off the lights.

We have to accept that some places are beyond saving.

There is a policing shortage in America. These cops need to move on to greener pastures.

Considering the state of police recruiting today plenty of places would love to have em. Police need to stand down in these states. Salt lake City is hiring. They lost 75 officers over the last two months.

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Originally posted by jljones:

We have to accept that some places are beyond saving.

There is a policing shortage in America. These cops need to move on to greener pastures.

Ain’t that the truth.
Not only are Police up against the batshit crazy people, one perceived slip and the politicians are onboard stringing up a rope to hang them.

Researched the “ Red house on Mississippi.” The son Willian Kennedy III had two traffic accidents. Both without insurance. An elderly couple was hit in one and drugs were found in another.
The father took out a loan for legal costs. Then a second montage. They then missed 17 monthly play payments.
The son received two 5 year terms. During trial he was cited for repeated disruptions of the court, declared himself a “ Sovereign Citizen” and generally convicted himself.
Comes payment time, the loans aren’t paid and foreclosure starts. The family stays in the house. Foreclosure happens and the house is sold. The new owner wants movement in and that’s what started the current uproar.
Meanwhile the Kinney’s didn’t retain a lawyer and claim there were turned down by some. They have file lawsuits but without legal training keep losing. Willian Kennedy III now goes by “Nietzsche”. One lawyer remarked “ They try to make their arguments sound legal and that’s almost always a mistake,” he said. “And they end up filing things that aren’t following the rules the court has because they aren’t lawyers. For the lawyers on the other side, it’s really easy to just run circles around people who are doing that.”
Adding to the legal trouble, some of Nietzche’s court filings contain anti-government, sovereign citizen arguments that say he is not subject to U.S. law.”

https://www.koin.com/news/prot...on-protest-12102020/
https://redhouseonmississippi.com/

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Great news!!

Gardner kicked off McCloskey case in StL!!

Suck failure Soros-bought Commie bitch freak!!

https://lawandcrime.com/high-p...ing-st-louis-lawyer/

Time to impeach her now...

They banged on the wrong car.

Multiple pedestrians struck during BLM protest in Midtown: NYPD

https://nypost.com/2020/12/11/...-protest-in-midtown/

A car plowed into pedestrians at a BLM protest against ICE detentions in Midtown Manhattan on Friday afternoon — “tossing people into the air” in a horrifying incident caught on video, witnesses and police said.

The shocking footage shows the vehicle stopped at 39th Street and Third Avenue just after 4 p.m. with protesters in front of the car — seconds before its female driver floors it, plowing into the crowd.

One protester can be seen rolling up onto the car’s hood and into the windshield before tumbling to the pavement.

“A car just ran through a group of protesters, tossing people into the air,” said witness Mark Apolloa in video from the scene.

“I saw individuals that were hit with the car flying up and over it. The windshield is totally cracked,” he said.

The six victims suffered non-life-threatening injuries, cops said.

A 52-year-old woman from Queens was driving her 29-year-old daughter in the car when the incident occurred, law-enforcement sources told The Post.

The female driver was stopped a block or so away by a traffic scooter cop after hitting the pedestrians, sources said. Apolloa said cops detained two people who chased after her.

The unidentified driver told cops she was surrounded by protesters marching illegally against traffic and that they started banging on her car, sources said.

She stepped on the gas to get away from them and that’s when she struck people in the intersection, sources said.

Off the cuff- I've seen enough unprovoked attacks on cars and drivers that if I was on the Jury I wouldn't convict her. Self defense.

Clean shoot, er, scoot.

The Major Cities Chiefs Association (MCCA) Intelligence Commanders Group put out a report on the 2020 riots and civil unrest. Information such as tactics used by the rioters, types of weapons used, and types and numbers of less than lethal weapons used by police are among the many statistics listed in this forty page report. The report confirms the large number of out-of-state rioters as well as the national coordination of protest and riot activities, and also confirms the use of paid protesters.

Those interested in reading/ downloading the PDF report can click here:

file:///C:/Users/admin/Desktop...unrest-Oct.-2020.pdf


[Note: I haven't figured out how to post the accompanying charts that go with the below news article and recommend going to the link to read the full article with the charts]

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Police chiefs: Denver saw more protest violence than any major US or Canadian city


Police officers stand behind a wall of tear gas smoke after they attempt to disperse people marching along Colfax Ave. in Denver during the fourth consecutive day of protests in the aftermath of the death of George Floyd on May 31, 2020.(Photo: Michael Ciaglo/Getty Images)

by: DJ Summers

Posted: Dec 8, 2020 / 05:15 PM MST / Updated: Dec 8, 2020 / 07:26 PM MST

DENVER (KDVR) — Denver’s police force called the city’s George Floyd protests “unprecedented,” and a national police chiefs’ report echoed that, calling them “record-setting.”

Nationally, 2,037 police officers were injured in the protests. Denver saw 81 police officers and at least 74 civilians injured.

Figures are still murky, but other cities have claimed more civilian and police victims violence. A New York City’s police commissioner said more than 350 NYPD officers were injured, while differing reports count hundreds or thousands of civilian injuries.

However, according to compilation of police reports, Denver’s protests saw more widespread violence than any other major U.S. or Canadian city.

Denver’s Office of the Independent Monitor says the city’s police department showed troubling trends and uses of force during the George Floyd protests that occurred in late May and early June. The OIM found misuses of less-lethal weapons against protestors and a large enough lack of evidence that it could neither confirm nor disconfirm criticisms that the Denver Police Department used generally excessive force.

“During our review, some community members expressed the belief that the DPD relied too heavily on less-lethal equipment and munitions used tactics that exacerbated conflicts and left to more uses of force than would have otherwise been necessary,” read the report. “Others pointed to the large number of DPD officer injuries, the significant property damage in Denver, and the prolonged and dangerous protests in other cities as evidence that the force used by the DPD was largely necessary. Given the documentary gaps discussed above, it was impossible for the OIM to evaluate these competing claims or to resolve them with this report.”

The report says DPD’s lack of certain information was understandable considering the speed with which the protests arose and their sheer scope, referring to the protests as “unprecedented.”

Denver’s police dealt with the most violent of all major American cities, according to a report from the Major Cities Chiefs Association, a collaboration of chiefs and sheriffs from 68 U.S. and Canadian cities.

Sixty-eight police agencies furnished MCCA with arrest and use of force data from the protests. Of them, only three major law enforcement agencies reported over 60% of their protests involved some level of violence: Columbus, Ohio, Portland, Oregon, and Denver.

This widespread violence may in part explain the Denver Police Department’s much-criticized used of projectiles and other less-lethal munitions. According to the MCCA report, Denver used a correspondingly larger amount of less-lethal ammunition with its larger proportion of violence. Most cities used these methods sparingly.

The MCCA report analyzed numbers from its agencies on how much CS gas, pepper balls, high volume pepper spray, kinetic projectiles and less-lethal shotguns were used by city.

The report records that DPD deployed less-lethal munitions in fewer of the protests than involved either civil disobedience or violence.

Respectively, Denver saw 68% of protests with some kind of violence and 100% with some civil disobedience. 40 mm projectiles, pepper balls, CS gas and less lethal shotguns were used in 16%, 20%, 24% and 24% of the protests, respectively.