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Originally posted by Oat_Action_Man:
Topple a statue of Lincoln? The guy who freed the slaves?

Errrrr....

It isn't about freedom, or "justice for <insert name here>". It's about deliberately obliterating our shared, social history.

Marx's Fifth Objective of Communism...abolish the past. Family, Individuality, Eternal Truths, Nations, Past...not just private property. These Antifa/BLM/Leftist/Globalists/Media types are using the Communist Manifesto as a play book.

Bullseye. Home Run.

Not sure why anyone is surprised by Lincoln's statue being torn down; Klantifa tore down the Frederick Douglass statue.

So if the bar to tear down statues is set at Frederick Douglass, all other statues are pretty much ripe for the Taliban/ISIS treatement.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/fre...ss-statue-vandalized

more to the Denver shooting mystery



the victim seemed to be addressing the 9News producer (reporter ?) about something

what was blue shirt saying ?

Good article by Shipwreckedcrew on Restate talking about Colorado self defense laws and what is known so far. There are a few embedded links to twitter posts where someone put together all of the still photos and made a sort of slo motion video of the event.

Denver Shooter Likely Faces an Uphill Legal Battle to Claim Self-Defense in Shooting Pro-Trump Rally Attendee

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Originally posted by jrhillma:

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Originally posted by Oat_Action_Man:
Topple a statue of Lincoln? The guy who freed the slaves?

Errrrr....

It isn't about freedom, or "justice for <insert name here>". It's about deliberately obliterating our shared, social history.

Marx's Fifth Objective of Communism...abolish the past. Family, Individuality, Eternal Truths, Nations, Past...not just private property. These Antifa/BLM/Leftist/Globalists/Media types are using the Communist Manifesto as a play book.

Indeed, the hall mark of Communism is to rewrite history. Marx had the Fifth Objective of Communism, Mao had the Four Olds (Culture, Habit, Ideas and Customs), all served as basic mission structures for the foot soldiers to justify their violent actions against anything older than them.

All authoritarian, tyrannical forms of government will attempt to re-write history by delegitimizing the past. Eventually, the powers that be of these revolutions, have a day of reckoning and have to suppress or, crush the monster they created thru various purges. None of these internal revolutions is smooth and all have had long, painful and damaging repercussions.

Basically, these fuckers are trying to start a Cultural Revolution like China that only ended when Mao died.

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more to the Denver shooting mystery...

So, the images in the correct order, have the "security" guy, putting hand(s) on Lee Keltner, then Keltner bitch slapped the "security" guy, who then produced and leveled his pistol, then the bear spray and shooting.

I truly hope this guy goes down for as heavy a load of homicide that can be put on him.

Too bad the death penalty was abolished this year.

^^^ In addition, In my mind the poor guy's family should own the "9-News Denver" TV station, plus a good part of Pinkerton, assuming the shooter was indeed a Pinkerton employee and on the clock during the murder.

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Originally posted by radioman:
Never good when those who cover the news, become the news.

Why isn’t it? You lay with dogs, you get fleas. The media deserves what they get at this point. It’s all self inflicted.

Oh, the news media has lost all sense of professionalism a few decades ago.

Remember the on the "Mary Tyler Moore" show, where Ed Asner's Character yells at Ted Knight's Character after Ted interjected himself into a news story. Asner yells, "You were supposed to report the news, not become part of it."

Words that every news person once lived by, but now, not so much. Now it's all about being an SJW and getting the agenda they want printed or broadcast. It's no longer enough to just report what they see.

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Good article by Shipwreckedcrew on Restate talking about Colorado self defense laws and what is known so far. There are a few embedded links to twitter posts where someone put together all of the still photos and made a sort of slo motion video of the event.

Denver Shooter Likely Faces an Uphill Legal Battle to Claim Self-Defense in Shooting Pro-Trump Rally Attendee

Link

As stated in the link, some photos are missing or were not taken. These are any images just before and as Doloff brings his gun up. Fortunately the Denver PD states that they have surveillance video of the interaction.

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I would assume Mr.Keltner has a family.

If anyone comes across details for helping the family please pass the information along.

John

Found the link. He does have a family, apparently his son was at the protest as well.

FYI

https://www.gofundme.com/f/lee-keltner-family

Several police officers were on scene within seconds of the shooting. I suspect they were already walking towards the original altercation when the 9News guy and his hired gunman beat them there. Accordingly, it appears there are going to be several officers who witnessed the entire event and shooting unfold.

Dollof executed a pro-police event attendee in the presence of police. He is going to have a very "uphill battle" indeed.

Reading more about the shooting online, "Security guards in Denver are supposed to be licensed, with additional endorsements needed to carry a firearm or operate in plainclothes, according to rules for the industry adopted by the city in 2018.

In photos from Saturday’s shooting, Dolloff did not appear to be in uniform. His name does not show up on a city-run database that lists several thousand licensed security guards."

"“The Denver City Attorney’s Office will weigh any additional criminal charges related to the defendant possibly operating as an unlicensed security guard once the Denver Police Department completes its homicide investigation,” Ryan Luby, a spokesman for the Denver City Attorney’s Office, said in a written statement. “The CAO is also working with the Denver Department of Excise and Licenses to weigh disciplinary action against the security guard company for hiring and deploying an unlicensed guard, one without a license much less an armed endorsement.”

So no armed endorsement as well as no license. Pinkerton's is surely in hot water. I wonder if this lets 9News off the hook, as they simply hired Pinkerton.

^^^ it will be interesting to know if Pinkerton even knew he was planning on being armed.

Maybe I missed it in all of this confusion and other embedded links, but has it actually been determined that he was an employee of Pinkerton’s or a subsidiary company, or is this just what everyone is saying?

I’d think that if he was NOT a Pinkerton, then that company would have come out loud and clear about that.

There is not ample screening of these folks. If you recall the Pulse Nightclub shooter was not adequately screened by G4S, another security firm.
Pinkertons is not what it used to be in days gone by.

For those following the Denver shooting a couple days ago, some more info and perspective.

The Patriot Muster rally was held last Saturday in Denver, and was organized by John "Tig" Tiegen of the Benghazi rescue stand, and national Conservative commentator Michelle Malkin. The event was planned and announced, and had all the appropriate permits and planning before it took place, and the police were aware that it was taking place. Only after the Patriot Muster rally was announced did the Left decide to plan a "soup drive" in the same area and at the same time.

Richard Randall is a local talk show host. He was a former personal injury trial attorney, worked as a TV news reporter for a while, and now has his own talk show. Although he is on the Right, he is an emotional wear-your-heart-on-your-sleeve, soap box, pound the table while spit flies from his mouth type who can barely stay on a single thought for more than a few seconds, and he never misses an opportunity to say something with 30 words when 10 would suffice...so I find him virtually unlistenable. The only reason I occasionally turn his show on is because local politicians will sometimes appear on his show and discuss local issues, but I turn his show off when he doesn't have any guests that interest me.

Randall attended the rally on Saturday and after it ended, while walking away, he noticed a black woman with a pro-Trump sign so he went over and had started to interview her when the shooting took place. He was about 10 yards from the shooting, ran to where it occurred, and was there in the seconds following it. He saw the man's son held back from coming to his father's aid, watched Lee Keltner die, and watched the police come in and handcuff the suspects. He took pictures.

This morning he dedicated his entire hour and a half show to the shooting, and he interviewed several guests related to the shooting including James T. Cook, Michelle Morin, Michelle Malkin, and John "Tig" Tiegen.

James T. Cook is a local criminal defense attorney who is Pro-2A, a hunter and shooter, and specializes on defending those who use a gun in a self defense shooting against criminal charges.

Michelle Morin is a local investigative reporter.

For those who have the patience to listen to this talk show host click on the link and select the podcast for 10-12-20. Most of the commercials are edited out and the entire podcast runs 51 minutes 10 seconds.

Richard Randall Show podcasts


For those that don't want to listen to the podcast I'll take a crack at summarizing the info:

- Up to the 15:34 mark Randall sets up the rest of the show and what he saw there or has learned since. The man in the Black Guns Matter black t-shirt is a known Leftist agitator that has appeared at many of the riots and protests, and is known to spend hours trying to provoke fights with those on the Right.

- 15:40 mark- Interview with attorney James T. Cook. Cook breaks down the shooting with the facts currently known. Shooter appears to have been hired by 9 News to “sherpa” their reporter through these riots as he was connected to the protesters by Antifa/ Communist ideology. There is speculation that the agitator in the Black Guns Matter black t-shirt was an infiltrator trying to appear as one of the Patriots, perhaps in some sort of undercover “gotcha” recorded moment and that, perhaps, this was a planned coordinated action between the man wearing the Black Guns Matter black t-shirt and the Antifa/ BLM sympathizer security guard shooter. A few minutes before the shooting the man in the Black Guns Matter black t-shirt got into a separate incident with a different Patriot supporter and Tig pulled this supporter away, telling him “it’s not worth it”. With the facts currently known, Cook believes this was not a justified defense shooting.

- 26:50 mark- Randall has linked the victim's GoFundMe page on his social media. Investigative reporter Michelle Morin has some info on Kyle Clark Zack Newman (the man in the royal blue shirt) news Producer/ reporter that the shooter was reportedly protecting. Kyle Clark Zack Newman, shortly after being released from custody, appeared to be bragging on social media that he knew who the shooter was and that he had been hired by Pinkerton, but the next day started to backpedal on just who had hired the guard. She reveals that Antifa released a Twitter statement saying "Kyle would be %100 safe because we protect us, and he is one of us".

Randall points out that while he was there, he saw no video photographer or reporter with the shooter or with Kyle Clark Zack Newman, and they didn't appear to be acting in the role of the press. Randall & Morin are speculating that the reason the reporter Kyle Clark Zack Newman initially came out triumphantly announcing who the shooter was and who he worked for, was because he assumed that , once the investigation was complete, it would indicate that it was a justified defense shooting, however, in the hours afterwards, backed off his statement once he realized this may not be found as a justified shooting.

Just a couple months ago Kyle Clark was mocking those reporting that it was too unsafe to go to downtown Denver, so Morin points out then why exactly did he feel the need to hire a security guard?

- 36:40 mark- Michelle Malkin interview. She describes the shooting as a political assassination and also an ambush. She points out that the man in the Black Guns Matter black t-shirt has been spotted at many different riots and protests, and that various reporters and photographers, such as a Denver Post photographer or at this Patriot Muster rally, there always seems to be reporters and photographers taking pictures of him while he is attempting to instigate fights. She lays culpability for this shooting at the feet of three groups, the mob, the Denver police, and the media. She believes the national media is sweeping this shooting story under the rug. Also, she blames "silicon valley", and reports that shortly after Tig posted about the shooting on his Facebook page, both his page and his wife's FB pages were deleted.

(just a note for those who may not be aware, but Michelle Malkin has organized several events, even long before this year's turmoil. However, during one event in Colorado Springs earlier this year, and again over this past Summer during a "Back the Blue" annual Denver event she organized in support of police, she was physically attacked while the Denver PD stood by and watched. There was a bit of a finger pointing scandal afterwards as to who exactly gave the order, but the on-scene incident commander was blamed for giving the stand down order while violence and injuries occurred at that event, and the police just watched.)

-45:30 mark- John "Tig" Tiegen interview. (note: for those listening to the podcast, there was a bad phone connection and several of his comments were broken bits). He was expecting that the Left would attempt to break up his planned Patriot Muster rally. He points out that they had obtained the necessary permits and it was only after the time and place of the Patriot Muster was released did Antifa/ BLM/ and the Communist party suddenly announce a "soup drive" at the same time and location...even though local media wrongly reported that his rally was the counter-protest. The Leftists groups threw cans of soup at the police and the rally supporters, and while they shouted messages of hate and threats, some of the rally supporters yelled back "we love you".

Interestingly, Tig reports he has been hearing info that the 9 News Denver president was the one who organized the Communist counter-protest to occur at the same time and place. IF true, this means that the 9 News president is responsible for bringing in the security guard responsible for the shooting.

The man in the Black Guns Matter black t-shirt reportedly shouted insults at several of the black rally supporters who walked into the event. Tig now has ID'd this individual.

He also noted that the security guard shooter and Kyle Clark Zack Newman hovered around the man in the Black Guns Matter shirt the entire time, almost as if they were coordinating with him while he attempted to instigate a fight. He notes that after the Kenosha riots the Left had made the threat that "they wanted to get one of ours" and Tig believes this was a planned, coordinated, premeditated murder, staged to look like a justified defense shooting.

Apparently Tig and another veteran have received death threats, not only against themselves, but the Left has threatened to kill their dogs.

Edited: First edit-to correct a misspelled name. Second edit- NOTE: Some of the people quoted above identified the 9 News Denver Producer/ Photographer/ Reporter as Kyle Clark, however, there is information posted later in this ongoing thread that suggests that the man in the blue shirt was incorrectly identified initially, and that it is 9 News investigative reporter Zack Newman. At this time it is unclear whether the above mentioned Antifa Twitter post was accurate in naming Kyle.

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Tig reports he has been hearing info that the 9 News Denver president was the one who organized the Communist counter-protest to occur at the same time and place. IF true, this means that the 9 News president is responsible for bringing in the security guard responsible for the shooting.

WTF? Like I said earlier in this thread, Professionalism in news is long gone. Just report the news.

If this is true, I hope 9 News will cease to exist, and those involved arrested for some type of racketeering.

I just saw the Ted Cruz video after the opening remarks in the Barret hearing, and I have to say, Ted Cruz 2024. Obviously, we need our pit bull to win this 2020?fight; but what about bringing in a deeper, more thoughtful, less pugnacious, yet philosophically committed conservative to get the federal government back on track— you know, less of it in general; less intrusion, less size and scope,, more reluctance to involve themselves in manners which should be left to the states...