The riots in America and the attempted overthrow of the United States

Member

posted

quote:
Originally posted by Rightwire:
quote:
Originally posted by absolut18:
I don’t get it. I’m the first to support LE, and firmly believe in law and order. But in this case, an innocent woman was killed.

Maybe you should have the facts before you post. Or exactly WHAT are you claiming she was innocent of? No, she didn't fire on the police but she was standing behind the guy that did and was far from innocent as the police and warrant reports shows.

Were drugs found on the premise? No.

Was the man shooting the gun convicted of a crime? No.

Have any of us done wrong in our past, but are not currently guilty of a crime? Yes.

Again, knock down anyone’s door on this forum... and I would expect the same response at that hour. The response was justified IMO. I don’t blame the officers for defending themselves either, but how do our laws put someone in this situation? That’s the travesty in my opinion. Had the 3 officers been killed, and Kenneth was found innocent, would you find him justified?

Posts: 347 | Location: Ohio | Registered: September 08, 2004

Ignored post by absolut18 posted

Member

posted

quote:
Originally posted by Puckpilot78:
quote:
Originally posted by absolut18:Knock on my door at 1240am, and I can promise you I’ll be disoriented and probably try to defend my home. I’m not a criminal, but there is no reason to expect my door kicked in at that hour.

So you're gonna start shooting without positively identifying your target, or what's behind it? I would certainly hope not.

I would positively identify the target as someone breaking into my home, and not my family. Did the officers identify their target as unarmed? We both have different standards in this case.

Posts: 347 | Location: Ohio | Registered: September 08, 2004

Ignored post by absolut18 posted

ARman

Member

posted

quote:
Originally posted by absolut18:
I don’t get it. I’m the first to support LE, and firmly believe in law and order. But in this case, an innocent woman was killed.

Knock on my door at 1240am, and I can promise you I’ll be disoriented and probably try to defend my home. I’m not a criminal, but there is no reason to expect my door kicked in at that hour.

I don’t blame the officers, but he system that allowed this circumstance is wrong. No citizen should be put in that circumstance. No drugs were found, and the primary targets location was known not to be there.

I don’t find rioting or looting to be right, but I can understand being upset with the system that allowed this to happen. We all want law and order. We need to understand that in this case lives were taken that shouldn’t have been, and people are upset. How do we change to ensure this doesn’t happen again, to one of us?

Check out officer Tatum. Com.

She was far from innocent, her boyfriend was far from innocent, her ex boyfriend was far, far from innocent.

The police knocked and announced, though they had a no knock warrant.

The Neighbors said that they heard the knock and announcement.

She was a POS thst was fucking pieces of shit. She was a Suspect in a murder, as a dead body was found in her rental car, that she rented for her drug dealing ex boyfriend and/or boyfriend.

She lived the life, she got what th a t life offers, death or prison.

She is/was a POS that was fired from LMEMS for Stealing drugs, and banned from any job in Louisville Metro government for life.

Fuck her, Fuck her family that also knew what was going on. Fuck then all!

ARman

Posts: 3235 | Registered: May 19, 2010

Ignored post by ARman posted

owenbright

I grew up reading Sigforum
Picture of owenbright

posted

absolut18,

Rand Paul has a bill: https://www.paul.senate.gov/ne...e-breonna-taylor-act

The shit going on right now (fake protest aka riots) has nothing to do with making things better.
It's just a continuation of Floyd riots, and other politically instigated and funded garbage + crazy assholes like BLM and Antifa taking advantage.

Posts: 1884 | Location: on the move | Registered: June 11, 2003

Ignored post by owenbright posted

Yanert98

You don’t fix faith,
River. It fixes you.

Picture of Yanert98

posted

The AG announcement clearly stated that the warrant was executed without no-knock.

Officers knocked and announced.

The 'no-knock' storyline is fake.

----------------------------------
"If you are not prepared to use force to defend civilization, then be prepared to accept barbarism.." - Thomas Sowell

Posts: 2673 | Location: Migrating with the Seasons | Registered: September 26, 2007

Ignored post by Yanert98 posted

Member

posted

quote:
Originally posted by ARman:
quote:
Originally posted by absolut18:
I don’t get it. I’m the first to support LE, and firmly believe in law and order. But in this case, an innocent woman was killed.

Knock on my door at 1240am, and I can promise you I’ll be disoriented and probably try to defend my home. I’m not a criminal, but there is no reason to expect my door kicked in at that hour.

I don’t blame the officers, but he system that allowed this circumstance is wrong. No citizen should be put in that circumstance. No drugs were found, and the primary targets location was known not to be there.

I don’t find rioting or looting to be right, but I can understand being upset with the system that allowed this to happen. We all want law and order. We need to understand that in this case lives were taken that shouldn’t have been, and people are upset. How do we change to ensure this doesn’t happen again, to one of us?

Check out officer Tatum. Com.

She was far from innocent, her boyfriend was far from innocent, her ex boyfriend was far, far from innocent.

The police knocked and announced, though they had a no knock warrant.

The Neighbors said that they heard the knock and announcement.

She was a POS thst was fucking pieces of shit. She was a Suspect in a murder, as a dead body was found in her rental car, that she rented for her drug dealing ex boyfriend and/or boyfriend.

She lived the life, she got what th a t life offers, death or prison.

She is/was a POS that was fired from LMEMS for Stealing drugs, and banned from any job in Louisville Metro government for life.

Fuck her, Fuck her family that also knew what was going on. Fuck then all!

ARman

Was she committing a crime at that time? Was her boyfriend committing a crime at that time? If any crime justified this response, then your door could be kicked in at 1240am for speeding 2 weeks ago.

I could feed into the unfounded claims on both sides, but I will try to stick the facts (as best I can ascertain). A life was taken, and at the time no crime was being committed. To pull anything else into this situation, denies a citizen due process.

Posts: 347 | Location: Ohio | Registered: September 08, 2004

Ignored post by absolut18 posted

bionic218

The Unknown
Stuntman
Picture of bionic218

posted

quote:
So shooting at something you can’t clearly identify is ok?

Nope. Not for citizens, and not for cops. ETA: (Agreeing with jlj - I know he knows the right answer.)

Get a light - they're cheap, they work, and it might save your life, or at the very least, a world of legal issues.

Back on topic, after the awesome video provided of Kenosha, the coverage of this protest (riot) on television is garbage.

Posts: 10828 | Location: missouri | Registered: October 18, 2009

Ignored post by bionic218 posted

ARman

Member

posted

Looks like KSP is on the scene. Looks like they are guarding the hospital.

Still a lot of people on the street. I wonder what will happen at work tomorrow? Our school district was put on notice yesterday (Tuesday). We are on limited schedule, Elementary only. I wonder what we will be told in the morning.

2 officers in good condition. I hope that they will recover quickly.

ARman

Posts: 3235 | Registered: May 19, 2010

Ignored post by ARman posted

Keystoner

Member

posted

quote:
Originally posted by absolut18:
but I will try to stick the facts (as best I can ascertain).

What's the source of your facts?

Year V

Posts: 2682 | Registered: November 05, 2012

Ignored post by Keystoner posted

Puckpilot78

Member

posted

quote:
Originally posted by owenbright:
absolut18,

Rand Paul has a bill: https://www.paul.senate.gov/ne...e-breonna-taylor-act

The shit going on right now (fake protest aka riots) has nothing to do with making things better.
It's just a continuation of Floyd riots, and other politically instigated and funded garbage + crazy assholes like BLM and Antifa taking advantage.

One of Dan Crenshaw's recent podcasts was with Scott Adams, creator of "Dilbert" among other things. He mentions having the occasion to work with some BLM "leaders" early on before George Floyd and all. He said they had no appetite for any potential positive changes to law enforcement or anything else, it was all a cover for their extreme agenda and most of the people (useful idiots) protesting in the name of BLM have no idea how they're being used for something much bigger and more sinister.

Mongo only pawn in game of life...

Posts: 690 | Location: DFW | Registered: August 15, 2014

Ignored post by Puckpilot78 posted

Member

posted

quote:
Originally posted by owenbright:
absolut18,

Rand Paul has a bill: https://www.paul.senate.gov/ne...e-breonna-taylor-act

The shit going on right now (fake protest aka riots) has nothing to do with making things better.
It's just a continuation of Floyd riots, and other politically instigated and funded garbage + crazy assholes like BLM and Antifa taking advantage.

I’m not for riots. I’m not for property damage. I am pro 1st amendment and protest. But if we can’t see injustice for what it is, we are all vulnerable. We may not live the same lives, but I can sympathize with the injustice of this circumstance. If I had a checkered past, but was not committing a crime... does that make my home open to this invasion?

Posts: 347 | Location: Ohio | Registered: September 08, 2004

Ignored post by absolut18 posted

Member

posted

quote:
Originally posted by Keystoner:
quote:
Originally posted by absolut18:
but I will try to stick the facts (as best I can ascertain).

What's the source of your facts?

I’ve looked at the warrants and official reports, I’ve read the news articles on both sides, and I’ve tried to think critically about what is fact vs opinion. I don’t like that current news tried to present a side vs presenting facts and allowing the viewer to come to their own conclusion. I also have a sibling in SL who observes as they go to work every day.

Posts: 347 | Location: Ohio | Registered: September 08, 2004

Ignored post by absolut18 posted

Yanert98

You don’t fix faith,
River. It fixes you.

Picture of Yanert98

posted

Can we get back to the purpose of this thread?

absolut18 will catch up once he's read the real police reports and investigations.

"Hands up don't shoot" and "Breonna was killed b/c of a no-knock warrant to the wrong address" are both bald-faced lies.

----------------------------------
"If you are not prepared to use force to defend civilization, then be prepared to accept barbarism.." - Thomas Sowell

Posts: 2673 | Location: Migrating with the Seasons | Registered: September 26, 2007

Ignored post by Yanert98 posted

lizardman_u

Recondite Raider
Picture of lizardman_u

posted

I am not a tough guy or bad ass (there are multitudes tougher and better at fighting than I), and yet I know if this crap hits here in rural NE Oregon there would be over 200 men and women heavily armed who are ready to take out the trash.

It seems some people and organizations have forgotten the rule of "Don't start none: won't be none".

Stand with your signs, shout, dance all you want, but block traffic, destroy property, or cause harm to others and you will find out the nice men can do some acts of extreme violence when we are pushed.

__________________________
More blessed than I deserve.
http://davesphotography7055.zenfolio.com/f238091154

Posts: 3569 | Location: Boardman, Oregon | Registered: September 19, 2007

Ignored post by lizardman_u posted

ARman

Member

posted

quote:
Originally posted by absolut18:
quote:
Originally posted by ARman:
quote:
Originally posted by absolut18:
I don’t get it. I’m the first to support LE, and firmly believe in law and order. But in this case, an innocent woman was killed.

Knock on my door at 1240am, and I can promise you I’ll be disoriented and probably try to defend my home. I’m not a criminal, but there is no reason to expect my door kicked in at that hour.

I don’t blame the officers, but he system that allowed this circumstance is wrong. No citizen should be put in that circumstance. No drugs were found, and the primary targets location was known not to be there.

I don’t find rioting or looting to be right, but I can understand being upset with the system that allowed this to happen. We all want law and order. We need to understand that in this case lives were taken that shouldn’t have been, and people are upset. How do we change to ensure this doesn’t happen again, to one of us?

Check out officer Tatum. Com.

She was far from innocent, her boyfriend was far from innocent, her ex boyfriend was far, far from innocent.

The police knocked and announced, though they had a no knock warrant.

The Neighbors said that they heard the knock and announcement.

She was a POS thst was fucking pieces of shit. She was a Suspect in a murder, as a dead body was found in her rental car, that she rented for her drug dealing ex boyfriend and/or boyfriend.

She lived the life, she got what th a t life offers, death or prison.

She is/was a POS that was fired from LMEMS for Stealing drugs, and banned from any job in Louisville Metro government for life.

Fuck her, Fuck her family that also knew what was going on. Fuck then all!

ARman

Was she committing a crime at that time? Was her boyfriend committing a crime at that time? If any crime justified this response, then your door could be kicked in at 1240am for speeding 2 weeks ago.

I could feed into the unfounded claims on both sides, but I will try to stick the facts (as best I can ascertain). A life was taken, and at the time no crime was being committed. To pull anything else into this situation, denies a citizen due process.

FACT! FACT! FACT ALERT!

THE POLICE KNOCKED AND ANNOUNCED! FACT ALERT! FACT ALERT!

THE POLICE KNOCKED AND ANNOUNCED!

MORE THEN ONE WITNESS STATED THAT THEY HEARD THE KNOCK AND ANNOUNCEMENT!

FACT ALERT!

FACT ALERT!

SHE WAS NAMED ON THE WARRENT!

FACT ALERT! SHE WAS NOT IN BED ASLEEP!

FACT ALERT! SHE WAS IN THE HALLWAY WHEN HER BOYFRIEND SHOT THROUGH THE DOOR AT POLICE AFTER THEY KNOCKED AND ANNOUNCED!

FACT!

GOT IT?

SHE WAS FAR FROM INNOCENT! EYE BROW DEEP IN THE SHIT.

ARman

P.S.

I'm semi local. Local news is full of shit, national news is worse.

Go to officertadum.com read the police report.

Posts: 3235 | Registered: May 19, 2010

Ignored post by ARman posted

bionic218

The Unknown
Stuntman
Picture of bionic218

posted

quote:
But if we can’t see injustice for what it is, we are all vulnerable.

What is justice in this instance?

I think you are mistaking/transferring "justice" with "tragedy". Do you believe if the circumstances allowed it - in the current climate - if there was any shred of evidence the GJ could hang their hat on, that they would not have indicted?

Posts: 10828 | Location: missouri | Registered: October 18, 2009

Ignored post by bionic218 posted

snoris

Do---or do not.
There is no try.

posted

quote:
Originally posted by 2BobTanner:
quote:
Originally posted by Jimbo Jones:
Apparently very likely (that evil POS why wont he just die) George Soros...

https://www.thegatewaypundit.c...sville-bail-project/

quote:
Originally posted by StarTraveler:
quote:
Originally posted by mbinky:
One of her videos shows a parked U Haul that opens up and starts passing out signs, shields, etc. All the usual antifa riot gear. These dirtbags are organized and looking to case mayhem.

Hope someone gets the license plate number, tracks it down, and traces who provided the funding for renting it. Until those with deep pockets who are funding the violence (possibly Soros?) are found and charged, the rioters will continue their destruction.

Here ya go.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.c...02amoNwrppTjnFH-2TfA

I would have to think there’s something the DA could charge her with for providing the means to riot...

Posts: 4583 | Registered: January 01, 2004

Ignored post by snoris posted

dewhorse

Telecom Ronin
Picture of dewhorse

posted

God I hope she is sitting in her hovel shitting herself.....or better...on the run...hiding out....terrified of "that knock or that phone call"

I am tired of this bullshit.....but it will continue until we turn the tables on these fucking progs....make them fear what might happen and this shit will wither on the vine

Posts: 8301 | Location: Back in NE TX ....to stay | Registered: February 12, 2004

Ignored post by dewhorse posted

Member

posted

quote:
Originally posted by ARman:
quote:
Originally posted by absolut18:
quote:
Originally posted by ARman:
quote:
Originally posted by absolut18:
I don’t get it. I’m the first to support LE, and firmly believe in law and order. But in this case, an innocent woman was killed.

Knock on my door at 1240am, and I can promise you I’ll be disoriented and probably try to defend my home. I’m not a criminal, but there is no reason to expect my door kicked in at that hour.

I don’t blame the officers, but he system that allowed this circumstance is wrong. No citizen should be put in that circumstance. No drugs were found, and the primary targets location was known not to be there.

I don’t find rioting or looting to be right, but I can understand being upset with the system that allowed this to happen. We all want law and order. We need to understand that in this case lives were taken that shouldn’t have been, and people are upset. How do we change to ensure this doesn’t happen again, to one of us?

Check out officer Tatum. Com.

She was far from innocent, her boyfriend was far from innocent, her ex boyfriend was far, far from innocent.

The police knocked and announced, though they had a no knock warrant.

The Neighbors said that they heard the knock and announcement.

She was a POS thst was fucking pieces of shit. She was a Suspect in a murder, as a dead body was found in her rental car, that she rented for her drug dealing ex boyfriend and/or boyfriend.

She lived the life, she got what th a t life offers, death or prison.

She is/was a POS that was fired from LMEMS for Stealing drugs, and banned from any job in Louisville Metro government for life.

Fuck her, Fuck her family that also knew what was going on. Fuck then all!

ARman

Was she committing a crime at that time? Was her boyfriend committing a crime at that time? If any crime justified this response, then your door could be kicked in at 1240am for speeding 2 weeks ago.

I could feed into the unfounded claims on both sides, but I will try to stick the facts (as best I can ascertain). A life was taken, and at the time no crime was being committed. To pull anything else into this situation, denies a citizen due process.

FACT! FACT! FACT ALERT!

THE POLICE KNOCKED AND ANNOUNCED! FACT ALERT! FACT ALERT!

THE POLICE KNOCKED AND ANNOUNCED!

MORE THEN ONE WITNESS STATED THAT THEY HEARD THE KNOCK AND ANNOUNCEMENT!

FACT ALERT!

FACT ALERT!

SHE WAS NAMED ON THE WARRENT!

FACT ALERT! SHE WAS NOT IN BED ASLEEP!

FACT ALERT! SHE WAS IN THE HALLWAY WHEN HER BOYFRIEND SHOT THROUGH THE DOOR AT POLICE AFTER THEY KNOCKED AND ANNOUNCED!

FACT!

GOT IT?

SHE WAS FAR FROM INNOCENT! EYE BROW DEEP IN THE SHIT.

ARman

P.S.

I'm semi local. Local news is full of shit, national news is worse.

Go to officertadum.com read the police report.

Again, kick my door down at that hour and scream whatever you want. I’ve been woken up at that hour, and it takes a minute or two to adjust to the circumstances. An overt threat on my family may easily have put me in the same circumstances. My wife would probably have been up too trying to understand what was going on. And I’ve heard from both sides, that the warrant was both announced and unannounced. At that hour, asleep... you could announce all you want... I may not have heard or understood what was going on until faced with the threat. Does that make me a criminal?

Posts: 347 | Location: Ohio | Registered: September 08, 2004

Ignored post by absolut18 posted