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Gracie Allen is my personal savior! |
Then land like it will be. Didn't they just dig the range when they built the building? | |||
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Gracie Allen is my personal savior! |
Not to necro, but the bankruptcy (whether tactical or not) seems to be shaking some things out a little bit. I'm not sure the reporter who wrote the following article really has the big picture, but it's interesting to see the leadership of the political arm of the NRA being given much the same kind of flack that Trump's supporters have been giving the GOP Establishment - and by much the same kind of people. Maybe putting enough heat under the NRA's current leadership would not only make the NRA more effective in coming battles, but would serve as something of a practice run for taking another shot at the GOP Establishment? At any rate...
Some compression for space; original text at http://www.yahoo.com/news/behi...-cost-172756503.html Ah, yes, results. Results is always a good place to start. | |||
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I think I just heard on AM radio a teaser that NewsmaxTV will have a Stinchfield episode on how the NRA plans to fight Biden's gun control efforts. I missed the date and time but probably tonight? ____________________ | |||
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Hopefully the NSSF will also have some success with this. I believe most of their annual revenue comes from SHOT each January - so they must be hurting financially as well. | |||
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Unflappable Enginerd |
Stinch was supposed to interview WLP last night, but about 7 minutes into his show, the Newsmax feed died for a couple minutes. When it came back up they were showing the show from Monday. I have no idea what happened, but the interview was announced for last night (Tuesday), but didn't air. Stinch has been saying this whole week is dedicated to the lefts fight with the NRA, we'll see if they catch up on this. __________________________________ NRA Benefactor I lost all my weapons in a boating, umm, accident. http://www.aufamily.com/forums/ | |||
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Firearms Enthusiast |
Watching Stinchfield tonight on NewsMax and WLP is on. Stinchfield reruns tonight @ 11PM CST for those that want to watch it. | |||
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Just wondering, with the proposed gun bills in Congress now, have we heard much from the NRA? I haven’t, other than the other day they wanted to raffle off a truck. If really needed, I will still send them money, but I’d like to hear them kicking and screaming! P226 9mm CT Springfield custom 1911 hardball Glock 21 Les Baer Special Tactical AR-15 | |||
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Political Cynic |
I just toss everything from the NRA right now. If they cancel my life membership they will probably not be able to convince me to rejoin until Wayne and his staff are shown the door. | |||
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Gracie Allen is my personal savior! |
Just out of curiosity, is the ILA going through bankruptcy too? I thought there had to be a degree of independence between the two so that the ILA could lobby without affecting the NRA's tax status. | |||
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I just skimmed through, lifetime member currently. Any & all aside, times like now we need the strongest advocacy possible stand up for 2nd amendment encroachment. The Trump years could of been a time of strengthening while things were good. It seemed they went astray instead. | |||
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I’m just thinking the NRA should be a loud voice. In these times, the loudest! If I could see the work and passion into defending the second amendment, I would gladly send money. But not to pay taxes on a nonprofit mansion. If they are not stepping up, how hard would it be for gun owners to band together and fund another second amendment organization? P226 9mm CT Springfield custom 1911 hardball Glock 21 Les Baer Special Tactical AR-15 | |||
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An investment in knowledge pays the best interest |
Typical non-profit. I don’t care if it’s the NRA, American Heart Association, Wounded Warriors or ATCC. Too little oversight and governance from Boards that are not held accountable. As a result tax payers (not just membership) $ go to ultimately corrupt leadership ranks. One can’t just focus on getting rid of he or she... it’s the entire governance structure that’s flawed and must change or history will repeat itself. | |||
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The NRA has something like 70(?) board members. WTH do they all do (serious question - not looking for any smart-assed answers)? _________________________________________________________________________ “A man’s treatment of a dog is no indication of the man’s nature, but his treatment of a cat is. It is the crucial test. None but the humane treat a cat well.” -- Mark Twain, 1902 | |||
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An investment in knowledge pays the best interest |
Certainly part of the governance problem is the size of the Board. No board should be larger than 9 members and that’s pushing it. More than that in my professional opinion is simply a crowded honorary society (to themselves). | |||
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Political Cynic |
If memory serves me correctly Exxon Mobil has 13 members in their BoD. Arguably XOM is a more difficult corporation to manage. | |||
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I need my NRA membership on the Law Enforcement side to keep my LE instructor credentials current. The LE division is like an entirely different organization with no political kerfuffle. On the civilian instructor side they thoroughly pissed me off when they stuck their hand in my pocket by taking a cut from the NRA Basic Pistol course. I saw it as another example of greed from a money hungry machine. I like what the NRA has done fighting off attacks on the 2A, but have to admit they have from time to made me uncomfortable, not from the political action but rather from some unnecessarily inflammatory rhetoric. LaPierre seemed to turn it into a more professional organization when he took over but apparently the money has been too easy for the picking. Perhaps he has become too big for his britches. I think it's time for a shakeup at the top and a full financial accounting. CMSGT USAF (Retired) Chief of Police (Retired) | |||
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Does anyone know, these latest gun ban bills that are in congress, is the NRA in the fight doing all they can? Or is their focus moving to Texas? I’m a life member 30ish years, upgraded once or twice. I admit, I don’t give them Money very often. Donated once last year, and always add a little with my Midway orders. With gramps in office, I would be willing to shell out more, if they are up to task. P226 9mm CT Springfield custom 1911 hardball Glock 21 Les Baer Special Tactical AR-15 | |||
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אַרְיֵה |
I agree with you, but unfortunately, I am stuck with them. The gun club that I belong to is insured through the NRA, and membership in that club is contingent on being an MRA member, so if I want to shoot there, which I do, because this is the best facility anywhere near me, I need to maintain my NRA membership, whether I like it or not. הרחפת שלי מלאה בצלופחים | |||
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Judge dismisses NRA bankruptcy case in blow to gun group https://www.wjhl.com/news/nati...n-blow-to-gun-group/ A federal judge dismissed the National Rifle Association’s bankruptcy case Tuesday, leaving the powerful gun-rights group to face a New York state lawsuit that accuses it of financial abuses and aims to put it out of business. The judge was tasked with deciding whether the NRA should be allowed to incorporate in Texas instead of New York, where the state is suing in an effort to disband the group. Though headquartered in Virginia, the NRA was chartered as a nonprofit in New York in 1871 and is incorporated in the state. Judge Harlin Hale said in a written order that he was dismissing the case because he found the bankruptcy was not filed in good faith. “The Court believes the NRA’s purpose in filing bankruptcy is less like a traditional bankruptcy case in which a debtor is faced with financial difficulties or a judgment that it cannot satisfy and more like cases in which courts have found bankruptcy was filed to gain an unfair advantage in litigation or to avoid a regulatory scheme,” Hale wrote. His decision followed 11 days of testimony and arguments. Lawyers for New York and the NRA’s former advertising agency grilled the group’s embattled top executive, Wayne LaPierre, who acknowledged putting the NRA into Chapter 11 bankruptcy without the knowledge or assent of most of its board and other top officers. “Excluding so many people from the process of deciding to file for bankruptcy, including the vast majority of the board of directors, the chief financial officer, and the general counsel, is nothing less than shocking,” the judge added. Phillip Journey, an NRA board member and Kansas judge who had sought to have an examiner appointed to investigate the group’s leadership, was concise about Hale’s judgment: “1 word, disappointed,” he wrote in a text message. LaPierre pledged in a statement to continue to fight for gun rights. “Although we are disappointed in some aspects of the decision, there is no change in the overall direction of our Association, its programs, or its Second Amendment advocacy,” LaPierre said via the NRA’s Twitter account. “Today is ultimately about our members — those who stand courageously with the NRA in defense of constitutional freedom. We remain an independent organization that can chart its own course, even as we remain in New York to confront our adversaries.” Lawyers for New York Attorney General Letitia James argued that the case was an attempt by NRA leadership to escape accountability for using the group’s coffers as their personal piggybank. But the NRA’s attorneys said it was a legitimate effort to avoid a political attack by James, who is a Democrat. LaPierre testified that he kept the bankruptcy largely secret to prevent leaks from the group’s 76-member board, which is divided in its support for him. Hale dismissed the NRA’s case without prejudice, meaning the group can refile it. However, he warned that in doing so the NRA’s leaders would risk losing control. The judge wrote that if the case is refiled, he would immediately take up “concerns about disclosure, transparency, secrecy, conflicts of interest” between NRA officials and their bankruptcy legal team. He said that the lawyers “unusual involvement” in the NRA’s affairs raised concerns that the group “could not fulfill the fiduciary duty” and might lead him to appoint a trustee to oversee it. Hale noted the NRA could still pursue other legal steps to incorporate in Texas, but James said such a move would require her approval — and that seems unlikely. The NRA declared bankruptcy in January, five months after James’ office sued seeking its dissolution following allegations that executives illegally diverted tens of millions of dollars for lavish personal trips, no-show contracts and other questionable expenditures. James is New York’s chief law enforcement officer and has regulatory power over nonprofit organizations incorporated in the state. She sued the NRA last August, saying at the time that the “breadth and the depth of the corruption and the illegality” at the NRA justified its closure. James took similar action to force the closure of former President Donald Trump’s charitable foundation after alleging he used it to advance business and political interests. During a news conference after the ruling, James said she read transcripts of LaPierre’s testimony, which was “filled with contradictions.” She reiterated that she intends to see the NRA dissolved, which ultimately would be decided by a judge, not the attorney general. The discovery process in her lawsuit is ongoing, James said, and she expects a trial to happen sometime in 2022. “There are individuals and officers who are using the NRA as their personal piggy bank and they need to be held accountable,” James said. Shannon Watts, who founded Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America, said in a series of tweets that the bankruptcy dismissal “comes at the worst possible time for the NRA: right as background checks are being debated in the Senate.” “It will be onerous if not impossible for the NRA to effectively oppose gun safety and lobby lawmakers while simultaneously fighting court battles and mounting debt,” said Watts, whose organization is part of the Michael Bloomberg-backed Everytown for Gun Safety. The NRA’s financial standing has been upended by the coronavirus pandemic, but there was consensus during the bankruptcy trial that it remains financially sound Last year, the group laid off dozens of employees, canceled its national convention and scuttled fundraising. The NRA’s bankruptcy filing listed between $100 million and $500 million in assets and the same range in liabilities. In announcing the case, it trumpeted being “in its strongest financial condition in years.” Adam Skaggs, chief counsel at the Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence, said that even a weakened NRA will likely continue to shape America’s gun debates. “I think the question is, despite those self-inflicted wounds and despite the fact that they’re in some ways a shadow of their former self, can they continue to exert influence and try and keep the opponents of even the most modest reforms to increase gun safety toeing the line?” he said. ___ _________________________ "Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." Mark Twain | |||
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Uppity Helot |
Maybe the NRA will have to roll some heads to show they are serious. I can think of one in particular to show they mean business… | |||
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