SIGforum.comMain PageThe Lounge Think that handcuffed people pose no threat? Drunken, handcuffed idiot gets one put in his ear at point-blank range. Absolutely NSFW **Graphic**
A couple years ago an acquaintance who is a LEO in the city next door had a subject handcuffed behind his back. Sat the subject down. Turd produced a handgun a put a round through the LEO’s leg. Handcuffed does not negate a risk.
Evidently he told them he had a gun in his shoe, but when they stood him up, he snatched one of the officers guns out of their holster. Thankfully that turd was the only one on the way to room temperature.
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Woah - that escalated in a flash. Cannot tell if he actually took possession of the gun, looked like he had his hands on the officers gun - just wondering if they used retention holsters if it worked as its supposed to and the prisoner was not successful in getting the weapon. Did not see any further details in the article.
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Wow. When I got my DUI many years ago, the police uncuffed me, sat me in the front lobby, asked if they could bring me a drink from the vending machine, said they had about 20 min. of paperwork and would then drive me home. Then they left me unattended and uncuffed for that whole time.
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Originally posted by tiwimon: Cannot tell if he actually took possession of the gun, looked like he had his hands on the officers gun - just wondering if they used retention holsters if it worked as its supposed to and the prisoner was not successful in getting the weapon.
He was not able to get the gun out of the retention holster.
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Originally posted by Rick Lee: Wow. When I got my DUI many years ago, the police uncuffed me, sat me in the front lobby, asked if they could bring me a drink from the vending machine, said they had about 20 min. of paperwork and would then drive me home. Then they left me unattended and uncuffed for that whole time.
A lot has changed in policing since "many years ago". (Both internally in officer tactics and procedures, and externally in society's attitude and violence towards law enforcement.)
Well THAT'S a gene pool that ain't gonna get very deep. Actions = Consequences. Sucks to be that societal shit-stain...
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Multiple angles of different body cams, a good idea. Can't imagine the shitstorm if no video existed.
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It seems to me not a single officer should've been armed in that room. My one experience with DUI was a tiny beach town in New Jersey with a very small police department. Even there the officer disarmed and checked his firearm before walking the arrestee into the department room to be processed. Every officer who also entered the room was disarmed. What the hell is the deal with the procedures at this department? Is that typical or is disarming typical?
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Three officers and the dead guy in that tiny room. What a cluster fuck. When the officer says "He's got my gun" what he actually means is that the guy had his hand on the officer's gun. The retention holster saved the day, but, yes, while I am not familiar with procedures when processing someone who has been arrested, it seems that having no guns in the room would be a sound safety practice.
And, y'know, I don't think this can be blamed on alcohol. Have you ever been so drunk that you would pull this kind of stunt? And have you ever had a police officer tell you "You're about to die, my friend"? You would immediately cease your actions and begin cooperating to the fullest.
Drunk or sober, that guy was on the highway to Hell.
I'm not going to second guess anything in that video. The guy makes his choice, grabs an officer's weapon, and during a struggle over said weapon in a very tight room is rendered non threatening.
We disarm before going into interview rooms with suspects, but at some point an armed officer has to take possession of that suspect after hes been cuffed to transport him, which is kind of what appeared to be happening here. They certainly can't say he wasn't given clear verbal commands.
That guy knew how that was going to end and he chose it.
This reminds me of the video from a few years back where a suspect was sitting in an interview room and the detective goes to get him a bottle of water. The suspect calmly pulls a full sized 1911 out of his waistband and shoots himself in the head. Everyone assumed the guy before them had searched the prisoner.
SIGforum.comMain PageThe Lounge Think that handcuffed people pose no threat? Drunken, handcuffed idiot gets one put in his ear at point-blank range. Absolutely NSFW **Graphic**
(Both internally in officer tactics and procedures, and externally in society's attitude and violence towards law enforcement.)
