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^^^ Not exactly. A streaming device is not like a CD without a DAC. In fact virtually all have a DAC unit. Some are better than others, some units you can bypass and send to another DAC. If you use your phone or other device as the source then yes you are limited to the quality of that unit for the sound quality. A proper streaming unit will get it's digital material from the network (Internet or Local) via wired (preferred) or WiFi, process with the internal DAC or forward on to another external to the streaming unit, then the last stage is converted to analog before amplification. Note: output is not always HDMI , there are other outputs and most analog output is RCA to RCA. Apps that control are buggy or obsolete are not any significant factor now days. Most of these units we have been talking about are usually connected to an existing system but there are units that also have amplification. Either because you already have a speaker/amp in place or that you want a better amp than in an all-in-one unit. Additionally, if I wanted something I could just go up to an make a selection on the device albeit not as intuitive I would look at one from EVERSOLO > https://www.eversolo.com/ (can also control with app).  | |||
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| No More Mr. Nice Guy |
I think we are talking about different things. I'm talking about something like the AppleTV, FireStick, etc which streams music (or video) from the internet to whatever output one desires. Those simply pass on digital streams of data to wherever they are going, such as to a receiver or to a tv. They don't convert digital to analog and then back to digital before sending it. They indeed are just like a CD player without the DAC. They also require an external screen to display what's going on. Perhaps you are talking about more high end systems which either have an analog preamp or power amp stage, which would be a different solution. Idk how those might interface to a tv to get tv sound out through external speakers. | |||
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Schiit Audio is a made in USA, Texas company and might fall within desired price point. Their Aegir 2F amplifier will drive the efficient Klipschorns very well. The Freya +F is a combo digital or tube preamp, which might be nice for different types of music or to see which you prefer. Also tube rolling fun in the future. The Kara preamp if not. I might lean toward the Denafrips Ares 15th R-2R DAC instead of Schiit's Gungnir2 DAC. If you end up interested I would call them and ask if they could help you compare their DAC, and maybe ask for a bundle price including their DAC. Ask their AI questions about speaker protection, how their separates work together, Forkbeard... Schiit Audio, AI page | |||
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I’m curious: is Amazon music streaming “lossless”? Answer: What HiFi: Music streaming services compared Both Apple and Amazon offer “hi-res” streaming, which according to the article is 24-Bit, 192 kHz. “Lossless” just means CD quality, which is 16-Bit, 44.1 kHz. So “lossless” doesn’t mean identical to the master recording, just better than MP3. Can I tell the difference? I’m sure not. But I can still enjoy recorded music streaming over Apple Music or Apple Classical, listening through my AirPods Pro 3’s which are equalized to my horrible audiogram. I had a major hit to my hearing on the left side about a year or so ago, due to Sudden Onset Hearing Loss Syndrome, which unfortunately I got terrible advice when I called about it. Sudden ASYMMETRICAL hearing loss is an otological emergency requiring steroid therapy ASAP. _________________________ “Remember, remember the fifth of November!" | |||
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| Savor the limelight |
Amazon Unlimited is lossless and CD quality or better in terms of bit depth and sampling rate. Streamer->DAC->integrated amp->speakers is looking like the way to go. On the other hand, Amazon has this Yamaha: R-N1000A, for $1,200. Separates would be quite a bit more. I actually had the Eversolo Play for a week or so. I had it hooked up to the Fortés and the streaming worked well, but the built in amp didn’t drive the speakers as well as the Pioneer Elite SC-63 does. | |||
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| Left-Handed, NOT Left-Winged! |
Get an AppleTV and connect by HDMI to any AVR or AVR Pre-Pro. Then to speakers, or to amp and speakers if using a pre-pro. AppleTV can stream Apple Music directly to the AVR over HDMI without any wireless. | |||
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| Savor the limelight |
They’re here!:  My wife is going to freak out when she sees them. I showed her pictures, took a tape measure and tried to show her how big they were going to be in the corners, and she said OK, but she is still going to freak out. I had no idea each speaker would be on a separate pallet. Maybe I can tell her it’s like when Amazon ships one little thing in a giant box. The painters are still painting, so I’ll have to wait to set them up. | |||
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Unflappable Enginerd |
I once owned a pair of these, they are sweet, and monstrous...  __________________________________ NRA Benefactor I lost all my weapons in a boating, umm, accident. http://www.aufamily.com/forums/ | |||
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| Left-Handed, NOT Left-Winged! |
Now you need some TUBE amps for those. 6550's or KT88's. | |||
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I didn't read past Klipsh in the original post and missed the Horn part. Very nice, can't wait till the unboxing. Depending on your chosen music sources AppleTv is great but I hate having to use the TV to play music. Sonos has a Port that can feed to an AVR or separates. It has a built in DAC and it has a digital output so you can offload to external if you want. Unless they changed things there's no 24 bit support if that's important. The Sonos app had some growing pains but they got it worked out and it's still so easy to use that my wife can use it. | |||
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| Savor the limelight |
I guess got the eye-talian ones, it says fra-gil-e:     I’m really glad the furniture delivery guys (looked like D2 linebackers) agreed to bring the bass cabinets up the stairs for a quick $100. I got the midrange/tweeter cabinets up by myself. After I pick my son up from school, we’ll get the bass cabinets off the foam and set the midrange/tweeter cabinets on top. On a side note, the speakers are mirror images of each other, so the left speaker has the speaker connections on its right side and the right speaker has its speaker connections on its left side. Naturally I found this out the hard way. | |||
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Looks nice, not nearly as big as I was expecting from the wrapped up photos. The Enemy's gate is down. | |||
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| Unflappable Enginerd |
The upper horn of the speaker isn't on top yet... __________________________________ NRA Benefactor I lost all my weapons in a boating, umm, accident. http://www.aufamily.com/forums/ | |||
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 The Enemy's gate is down. | |||
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| Savor the limelight |
For scale, the brick wall is 17’8” long by 9’6” high. The electric fireplace is 76” long which coincidentally is as long as an 85” diagonal TV. And yes, the midrange/tweeter cabinet isn’t on there yet. | |||
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Beautiful, I love walnut. I know they’re very efficient but they really do deserve some nice budget blowing amperage. | |||
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| Savor the limelight |
Like this: Ampzilla 2000? | |||
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| Leftists, what more needs to be said? |
I just hope some day to actually hear a pair of K-horns! Enjoy Trapper. | |||
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| Unflappable Enginerd |
FIFY  __________________________________ NRA Benefactor I lost all my weapons in a boating, umm, accident. http://www.aufamily.com/forums/ | |||
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| Savor the limelight |
We’re getting closer. This is my slouching 5’10” 15yo son who refuses to take a good picture:  I bought a pair of 40 year old Klipsch Fortés a few months ago which give me goosebumps listening to. I’m stoked to get these going. | |||
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