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Originally posted by bigdeal:
Got a question for ya. In another thread out here we're having dialog/debate over whether public school teachers should be paid during the shutdown. To that end, should scholarship athletes for sports that have been cancelled, lose their scholarships if they aren't going to be playing?

Absolutely not. The school committed to it. Now they own that.

NCAA issues next set of return-to-sport guidelines

Detailed document

Some of those are gonna be tough....

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The large D1 schools should have no problem. They all have competent medical staff and plenty of support personnel to make sure it happens. Smaller schools may be an issue.

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Originally posted by Lt CHEG:

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Originally posted by parabellum:
Cancel every college football and basketball program, forever. Enough of this shit.

Yes please! No more televised sports for a few years. Hopefully long enough for the average person to get their head out of their ass and pay attention to what really matters in this country.

And hollywood, too.

We can live without watching sports and movies.

I get a kick out of the announcement that the Big 10 will only play conference games this season. So no games against the School for the Blind or Our Lady of Illegitimate Conception.

There are 14 teams in the Big 10 (I know, it doesn't make any sense to me, either), so if each team only plays every other team in the conference once, that's 13 games, and they normally play each other at least twice, so 26.

The teams in the Big Ten geographically range from Nebraska on the west to Maryland on the east, including hotspots like Chicago & New Jersey. Explain to me how this is going to limit team's exposure to the virus?

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Originally posted by Nuclear:

There are 14 teams in the Big 10 (I know, it doesn't make any sense to me, either), so if each team only plays every other team in the conference once, that's 13 games, and they normally play each other at least twice, so 26.

Explain to me how this is going to limit team's exposure to the virus?

Your quoted comment above makes me think you don’t even follow college football, but I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume we’re not talking about baseball or basketball.

The theory behind these conference only schedules isn’t that they will play everyone in the conference, let alone play everyone twice. The idea is with a eight or nine team in conference schedule there will be more latitude to move games around during the fall in order to accommodate schools that may have travel challenges, high numbers of people that have tested positive, and other unforeseen issues.

This is just a strategy and wishful thinking to make some semblance of a season still happen.

Glad to see the SEC, ACC and Big 12 hanging in there. I'm still hopeful that they at least get the chance to start a season, if not finish it.

If nothing else it will provide an interesting contrast/comparison between the outcomes of the kids who no longer have the incentive/motivation to work towards a team goal and follow protocols (B1G and PAC-12) with other conferences that maintain that.

I predict this will show exactly what was suggested by many - the kids are less likely to catch virus in team activities than without them. Regardless of the validity of the new concerns about cardiac impacts, etc. those don't change depending on where/how you catch the 'vid, so exposing more by shutting down football is counterproductive to the stated goals and concerns.

Our Yoop athletics conference (GLIAC) just bailed on all sports.
Hockey is not affected. So far, anyway.

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Glad to see the SEC, ACC and Big 12 hanging in there. I'm still hopeful that they at least get the chance to start a season, if not finish it.

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We will see. Lou Holtz is making comparisons to D Day. We know there are gonna be losses. You never know what will come out of his mouth. I hope to see the SEC and ACC hang in there and play.

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Originally posted by Georgeair:

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Originally posted by Nuclear:

There are 14 teams in the Big 10 (I know, it doesn't make any sense to me, either), so if each team only plays every other team in the conference once, that's 13 games, and they normally play each other at least twice, so 26.

Explain to me how this is going to limit team's exposure to the virus?

Your quoted comment above makes me think you don’t even follow college football, but I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume we’re not talking about baseball or basketball.

The theory behind these conference only schedules isn’t that they will play everyone in the conference, let alone play everyone twice. The idea is with a eight or nine team in conference schedule there will be more latitude to move games around during the fall in order to accommodate schools that may have travel challenges, high numbers of people that have tested positive, and other unforeseen issues.

This is just a strategy and wishful thinking to make some semblance of a season still happen.

I don't really follow college football, but I know how the conferences schedule, and even thought the Big 10 has effectively split into two conferences, they still play the other teams on each side at least twice a season. Basketball I follow quite a lot, and it is the same set up. No one I know follows college baseball.

Quite frankly, I don't think it will make the least amount of difference as to whether the "student-athletes" will get the virus, since they are college age kids who swap spit at the drop of a hat. It also won't affect how hard it hits them, since they have immune systems are at the peak of their lives, and the total deaths in that age group for the US would fit in a large college bar.

My position is reflected in the below article, I enjoy the sport, however its time to separate the sport from the school. There's just too much BS and opportunities for bad intentions.

Decouple Colleges from Football.

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Decouple Colleges from Football.

In the short term, we should let the kids play. But long-term, we shouldn’t let factories of leftism exploit young athletes.

American universities are built on exploitation. They exploit their adjunct professors, graduate students, and young adults they induce into lifelong debt through fraud, all to fund endless administrative and professorial sinecures. These bastions of liberal cultural elitism have become quasi-religious institutions, devoted not to God or tradition, but secular progressive politics—and their own infallibility.

Americans, understandably, place a high value on education. As some of our oldest institutions (some even older than the country itself), universities have long enjoyed a special solicitude in our culture. Nothing else explains their rampant tuition increases (the cost of college increased by more than 25% in the last decade), or how flippantly these institutions treat their nominal customers. (On Wednesday, Boston University announced that it would be issuing posthumous degrees to students who die from COVID-19 before completing their college education. It’s not clear whether BU considers itself a monarch bequeathing knighthood, or whether it wants to be sure it can cash in on the debt it’s now-deceased students signed up for.)

Either way, American universities have embedded themselves into American public life in ways that extend far beyond “education.” The so-called public institutions are supposed to help Americans become productive, virtuous citizens—that’s why they enjoy tax-exempt status and the ability to deploy eminent domain. They are not, however, granted these privileges to become real estate companies, tech startups, summer camps for teens—or professional sports leagues.

Indeed, as much as they are exploiting your average undergrad, they are exploiting their football players even more.

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I could not disagree more. I value my college education which allows me to make a decent living in my profession. My University is certainly not a stronghold for liberalism. I am glad that some are able to make good money off their football programs so lesser sports like women's tennis can thrive. Both my children were college athletes without scholarships. They proffited from the athletic programs as well as the academic.
I am not familiar with the author of this article. Maybe we will see him on ESPN someday.

Don't ask me how they know it, but a local TV station claimed that when The Iowa Hawkeyes cancelled their season.

The state of Iowa would lose at least a billion dollars in revenue.

I thought that the figure sounded high,
until I saw that the Hawkeyes sweat shirts at Scheel's sporting goods were priced at $74.00 !

The impacts on local economies with a larger fan base, such as Tuscaloosa (bleh!) is over $2B, based on several years ago amounts. Probably 25% more than that in 2020 dollars.

https://www.wbrc.com/2020/06/2...uld-be-catastrophic/

Don't Let Dubious Science Cancel College Football

Few stories encapsulate the times we live in as well as the story of college football, heart damage, and COVID. Right now, as the college football season should be shifting into high gear, multiple conferences have postponed the start of the season or will skip this season altogether. As reported by Sports Illustrated, one concern weighing on the minds of the decision-makers is that the novel coronavirus has a particular proclivity for hearts.

"That's what has been the final straw," says a team doctor at a prominent college football program.

But a closer look at the evidence behind the assertions made by some in the medical community says it's less than credible.

Viral Videos of COVID Collapse
The initial rumors of cardiac involvement in COVID trace back to videos of individuals from other countries lying unconscious on the ground.

This would be unusual behavior for a respiratory virus, but with novel pathogens there is little that can be deemed implausible. The arrival of SARS-CoV-2 in the United States quickly allowed this particular myth to be busted. There are no viral videos of Americans passed out in public venues in the middle of cities with raging epidemics, because it never happened. Not only was there seemingly no increase in heart attacks, but the incidence was actually lower relative to what would be expected on the basis of prior years.

The unfortunate crush of patients in hospitals gave the medical community a bird's-eye view of how COVID-19 affects the heart. It quickly became clear that many sick patients with COVID admitted to the hospital manifested evidence of myocardial injury. The problem is that many, if not most, very sick patients, regardless of the cause, manifest myocardial injury when assessed by highly sensitive cardiac markers.

The accumulating data also confirmed that the sicker patients are, the more likely myocardial injury coexists. While some cardiologists inexplicably take this to mean that "acute myocardial injury is commonly observed in COVID-19 and is prognostic for worse outcomes," the data are horribly confounded by indication bias. Essentially, the patients most often tested for cardiac injury are those who are very sick with COVID-19. This is suggestive of correlation, not causation.

Of note no studies to date have been able to establish a direct mechanism of cardiac cell injury by the virus. There are a number of case reports and anecdotes that have received widespread coverage, but the published reports don't stand up to closer scrutiny.

Cardiac MRI vs Endomyocardial Biopsy
A definitive diagnosis of myocarditis requires a heart biopsy, a procedure that has rarely been done in many of the "diagnosed" patients. Endomyocardial biopsy is rarely done because it is fairly invasive, but even when it has been done, the pathologic findings are of widespread inflammation rather than virus-induced cell necrosis. To date, only one case report, from Brazil, in a child who died with multisystem inflammatory syndrome in children (MIS-C), has shown viral particles consistent with the coronavirus within myocardial cells on autopsy. While reports like this are sure to spawn viral tweets, it's vital to understand that it's not unusual to find widespread organ dissemination of virus in very sick patients. This does not mean that the virus is causing dysfunction of the organ it happens to be found in. It took high PCR cycle threshold values to isolate virus from the lung and heart samples in the Brazilian patient. This means there was a low viral load in both organs, supporting the theory of SARS-CoV-2 as a potential trigger of a widespread inflammatory response that results in organ damage, rather than the virus itself infecting and destroying organs.

The story of kidney injury in COVID-19 is analogous in this regard. A large number of patients hospitalized with COVID-19 developed acute kidney injury, but the mechanism was almost entirely via acute tubular necrosis, a frequent manifestation of severe sepsis and septic shock. Virus particles can be found in the kidney, but it is far from conclusive that SARS-CoV-2 is causing important kidney damage.

So how, then, does one explain the many reports of myocarditis? The path to the current spate of diagnoses involves some very highly sensitive tests for heart injury. The first step involves demonstration of myocardial injury using high-sensitivity troponin assays. These tests, unfortunately, are so sensitive that they turn positive even in healthy endurance athletes after a long run. The next step involves demonstrating cardiac involvement. Usually this is done by snaking a catheter through a patient's neck into the heart to take a bite out of cardiac muscle, but recently cardiac MRI has made the case for demonstrating cardiac involvement without the need for a biopsy.


More at the LINK: https://www.medscape.com/viewa...D=2529785&faf=1#vp_2

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Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:
No. Those guys work their asses off. The schools are going to lose some big time money as football pays for almost all other sports except basketball. At my alma mater a lot of the athletic money went into scholarships for poor kids. The rest of it goes for interhall athletics.
ABOVE comment in reference to BIG DEAL.

They better be careful and not piss of the boosters. I remember a couple years ago with all that Mizzou stuff and booster money dropped something like 70% which is a significant chunk of money.

Well this will help. Tweet from Trump:

Donald Trump says he wants the Big Ten and other conferences to start playing football 'now'

No, I want Big Ten, and all other football, back - NOW. The Dems don’t want football back, for political reasons, but are trying to blame me and the Republicans. Another LIE, but this is what we are up against! They should also open up all of their Shutdown States.

Since I spent all afternoon and evening in the ER at the VA Hospital with a kidney stone I was able to watch cable tv since we do not have it at the house.

Did anyone watch the Austin Peay vs Central Arkansas game.

They didn't show it on tv but at half time they mentioned that Central Arkansas did all the woke crap but since I was at the ER and severely relaxed due to various fluids I watched some of it.

After everything that has went on I could not get into it.

I did watch some great high school football from
Oklahoma, Bismarck, ND and also teams from the Cincy area and Indiana.