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I believe in the principle of Due Process |
James Comey and the FBI decided to come clean on Anthony Weiner's laptop because they thought they were protecting a Hillary Clinton presidency. Federalist David Marcus JUNE 15, 2018 In late October of 2016 James Comey knew Donald Trump’s candidacy was as dead as a doornail. That must be distinctly understood or nothing wonderful can come from the story I am going to relate. Time soothes the edges of old emotions. We forget the shock of that election night. Almost two years now of articles and TV takes, even books, make Trump’s election seem understandable, even sometimes inevitable. But that’s not how it was then. When FBI director Comey and the FBI dropped their late October Anthony Weiner surprise, they did so fully confident that Hillary Clinton would win. What we now know for certain from the Department of Justice inspector general report that came out Thursday is that the FBI chose to disclose the Weiner email fiasco to protect a Clinton presidency, a foregone conclusion, from potential claims from Trump that the FBI had rigged the election. Who Knows What Comey Remembers? Comey gave us a taste of this back in April when George Stephanopoulos asked if he was assuming Clinton would win. He said: “I don’t remember consciously thinking about that, but it must have been. I was operating in a world where Hillary Clinton was going to beat Donald Trump. I’m sure that it was a factor. I don’t remember spelling it out, but it had to have been. That she’s going to be elected president, and if I hide this from the American people, she’ll be illegitimate the moment she’s elected, the moment this comes out.” Whatever acid trip Comey was on that makes him feel only now that somehow this reality must have unconsciously affected his decision-making, the IG report presents much more self-aware choices. Take this testimony from Comey himself. The norm he talks about is not revealing information that can affect an election in the days leading up to it: And so I said okay, those are the doors. One says speak, the other says conceal. Let’s see what’s behind the speak door. It’s really bad. We’re 11 days from a presidential election. Given the norm I’ve long operated under, that’s really bad. Open the second one. Catastrophic. And again this is something reasonable people can disagree about, but my view was to conceal at that point given all I had said would be catastrophic. Not just to the Bureau, but beyond the Bureau… What does “beyond the bureau” mean? Well, the IG report gives us a good idea what “beyond” means here. It means consequences to a Hillary Clinton presidency. This just becomes clearer and clearer as you read the report. This wasn’t just Emo Twitter Comey having a lot of threads in his old Duder head, it was a calculated approach by the FBI to protect Clinton’s presidency from claims that the FBI rigged her election. That was the big fear at the time: When Clinton obviously wins, will Trump accept the results, or foment a revolt based on spurious claims of election-rigging. Remember? We no longer have to wonder if such political concerns influenced the FBI. Former FBI general counsel James A. Baker spelled it out in the IG report: “If she’s been elected president of the United States, then Donald Trump would say, oh my God, these people knew this beforehand and didn’t say anything. This is a rigged system. This is, this, these people intentionally hid that until after the election so they could get her elected and, and thwart me.” So what we now know, despite the IG report’s claims otherwise, is that politics played a significant role in the FBI’s decision to reveal the renewed investigation into Weiner’s laptop just days before the election. It was a calculated risk. Might it hurt Hillary? Sure, but she can’t lose, so better to protect against potential damage after her slam-dunk election passes through the hoop. Then election night happened. Hoo boy. Greek Tragedy Strikes Again In retrospect, it’s remarkable that Comey’s spectacular hubris may have been the hinge that ironically thrust Trump to the presidency. In his effort to appear more than fair, he may have swung an election to the man who would ultimately expose him and destroy his legacy. Comey and the FBI got a little too cute in 2016. We all knew Trump would lose. They were preparing for the reaction to that. Let’s remember it was the Left that was concerned Trump supporters would shout “not my president” after Clinton broke through the glass ceiling. We weren’t prepared for the other impossible possibility. But here we are. Comey used his office and the FBI to attempt to create a safe landing for President Hillary Clinton. There would be no allegations that the FBI had held back on damaging information about Carlos Danger and his possession of thousands of Clinton’s emails. They’d get out in front of it. She was going to win anyway — until she didn’t. Comey released his information about Weiner’s laptop for one main reason: to protect the future Clinton administration. We had a hint of this before. Now we can see it is blatantly true. It’s a disgraceful misuse of his office. The only solace we can take is that karma and irony are alive and well. And Trump’s election has exposed Comey’s perfidy. Link These last week antics didn’t cost her my vote. Does anyone know anyone whose vote changed by these revelations? Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | |||
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Staring back from the abyss |
All of this drivel is another way of saying what I said a few pages back. Liberals dig into their back pocket and pull out the tried and true, "We apologize and we promise to do better next time." Now, AG Sessions may not be a true liberal, but he is led around by the nose by true liberals. He is easily intimidated and completely ineffective. I knew it while watching him wet his pants during his confirmation hearing and he proves it again every day that he is in a position so far above his ability. He is a sad and weak man. Completely wrong for the job of AG. ________________________________________________________ "Great danger lies in the notion that we can reason with evil." Doug Patton. | |||
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Another take, this from Mollie Hemingway:
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Peace through superior firepower |
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FBI Agents Called Hillary "President" While Investigating Her, Texted "Screw You Trump" On Election Day https://www.zerohedge.com/news...xted-screw-you-trump One of four FBI agents investigating Hillary Clinton's email server - not Peter Strzok or Lisa Page, referred to Clinton as "the President" in a text exchange with another FBI employee four days after interviewing the Democratic candidate, according to Thursday's DOJ Inspector General report. Then, in a different text exchange with one of the other three Clinton email investigators (not Peter Strzok or Lisa Page), another agent wrote "screw you trump" after the first agent admitted "You should know...that I'm...with her." Those FBI investigators were dating at the time and were later married, meaning all four FBI case agents working the Hillary Clinton email investigation - the other two being Peter Strzok and Lisa Page - were ardent Clinton supporters, and at least three harbored animus towards Trump. The report released yesterday by the inspector general for the Department of Justice referred to these two FBI agents not by their names but as “Agent 1” and “Agent 5.” The report said of these FBI agents that “we identified two instant message exchanges that appeared to combine a discussion of politics with the Midyear investigation.” (The FBI referred to the Clinton email investigation as “Midyear Exam,” “Midyear,” or “MYE.”) -CNS News The same agent who texted "screw you trump" - "Agent 5" - also wrote "she better win... otherwise i'm gonna be walking around with both of my guns... and likely quitting on the spot," as well as "fuck trump" on December 6. Clinton was interviewed by FBI agents on July 2 about her use of a private, unsecured email server which housed classified information while she was Secretary of State. According to the IG report, however, the FBI had already decided against recommending prosecution unless Clinton lied or confessed. “By the time of Clinton’s interview on July 2, we found that the Midyear agents and prosecutors, along with Comey, had decided that absent a confession or false statements by Clinton, the investigation would be closed without charges,” reads the IG report. James Comey announced that the FBI would not recommend charges against Clinton three days later despite "evidence of potential violations of statutes." “Although there is evidence of potential violations of the statutes regarding the handling of classified information, our judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case,” he said. At the same time, Comey thanked FBI personnel for what he called their “remarkable work” on the Clinton case and said that Americans would better understand how “proud” he was of these FBI agents when they had a “better sense” of the work they had done on the Clinton case. -CNS News “I want to start by thanking the FBI employees who did remarkable work in this case,” Comey said. “Once you have a better sense of how much we have done, you will understand why I am so grateful and proud of their efforts.” Just remember, the Obama administration was "scandal free," and according to the DOJ, after investigating itself, there was no evidence that any of the overt and well documented bias harbored by agents crept into the Hillary Clinton email investigation. _________________________ "Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." Mark Twain | |||
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An interesting and informative read from 'sundance' at The Conservative Treehouse reagarding weiner's laptop - https://theconservativetreehou...-his-personal-email/ __________ __________ "I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal labotomy." | |||
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I believe in the principle of Due Process |
Problems at the Justice Department and FBI Are Serious National Review Andrew McCarthy There is another interesting and lengthy analysis of problems at DOJ/FBI https://www.nationalreview.com...partment-of-justice/ Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | |||
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The Senate Judiciary Comm is still set to meet w Horowitz on Monday. 18 June 2018 2pm I think this is going to be a public session. Sen Chuck Grassley is chair of this comm. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx regarding the post two above, a question is bring asked : Did anyone ever review the 675,000 emails and Blackberry communications that were found on Weiner's computer ? from the report: This message has been edited. Last edited by: sdy, | |||
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I believe in the principle of Due Process |
That is a very good and interesting question. Presumably the laptop contents are still available to the FBI. The laptop discovery was well after the scrubbing of the server which was being investigated in MYE presumably. There were ~147,000, or ~350,000 or ~700,000 e-mails. They can say positively that some relative few contained classified matter. So, what are the rest? Clinton Foundation? Election rigging? Yoga and wedding shower planning? Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | |||
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Don't Panic |
Maybe it's time for an executive order, firing Mueller and then directing Sessions to un-recuse himself and take charge. Either he follows it, or resigns. Either way, Mueller is gone and if Sessions doesn't toe the line, he'd be gone too. | |||
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Something wild is loose |
And ultimately, it is to be hoped, many others. "And gentlemen in England now abed, shall think themselves accursed they were not here, and hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks that fought with us upon Saint Crispin's Day" | |||
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I believe in the principle of Due Process |
Suppose Sessions says, “OK, fine. I withdraw the recusal.” Now What? What is the benefit? The detriment is that everything DOJ does thereafter on these issues is suspect and rendered arguably corrupt. Nobody can order you to unrecuse. Recusal is a matter of professional ethics. You can be fired, of course. So be it, but be careful what you wish for. As I pointed out in the other thread, confirming a new AG right now may be a cure which is worse than the disease. Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | |||
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I don't have a good suggestion re Sessions, Rosenstein, and Mueller. But anything that makes Donald Trump look good, or innocent of any Russia collusion, or innocent of any wrong doing, will be attacked and denied by the DEMs, neverTrumpers, and the media. That will happen no matter what. My thoughts are centered on: Given that Sessions and Rosenstein are focused on preserving the integrity of the DoJ versus defending the President from a massive conspiracy, how should the President proceed? President Trump should have Rosenstein come to the WH and show the President and Kelly the FISA warrant application, the texts, and the EC. Whatever review is needed, takes place. Then President Trump unclassifies every last piece that he reasonably can. He makes it public. He does it in stages. Every day or two he releases another piece. That way we don't get saturated and the damning evidence keeps piling up. Right now the people fighting for the truth are the Senate Judiciary Comm, House Intel comm, and House Judiciary Comm. President Trump needs to empower them and inform them as much as possible. Given this bizarre situation, President Trump should consider assigning someone on his staff as the point person to coordinate a review and inform the public about the conspiracy. He should publicly call it a conspiracy. Getting the truth out is his most powerful weapon . | |||
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The immediate benefit would be having someone besides Heinrich Rosenstein with the ability to oversee Mueller. Rosenstein has allowed him to go WAY outside of scope with zero repercussions. Every minute the Stasi chief Rosenstein spends in his position is an affront to justice everywhere. He was given orders to take down Trump, and with his attack dog Mueller he is trying to do just that. I do believe Sessions will go down in history as the man who allowed justice to die on his watch. I hope Huber will bring some semblance of justice back to the nation but I am not too hopeful. And yes, Trump should declass EVERYTHING. Get it out there and stop Rosenstein's illegal obstruction. And what about the thing that started this whole mess? Clinton absolutely 100% mishandled highly classified information with ZERO repercussions. She needs to be prosecuted just like any other American would be. The conviction will be up to the jury but she needs to be in court and stand accused. | |||
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I am going to try to get thru as much of the IG report as I can. But 500 pages translates to a lot of time. Probably won't get it completely done and it will be a slow process. In looking at page 2 of the report one thing seemed odd. Maybe I am too paranoid. The FBI investigation of Clinton's emails was called Midyear Exam. In the Strzok texts you see references to MYE. The report says "whether Clinton intended to transmit" " knew that info ... was classified" The weasel words are right at the start. Someone who is head of State Dept and an original classification authority must have a good sense of what is classified. When in doubt, questions need to be asked of people w more detailed knowledge. How could Clinton interact with foreign leaders and not have a good grip on what would be classified ? I thought the "intent" aspect was introduced by Comey late in the game, but the report implies it was there from the start. | |||
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I believe in the principle of Due Process |
I believe you are referring to language appearing in the second column of the Executive Summary rather than the body of the report itself. Several writers, me included, have noticed that the summary appears to have been prepared by parties other than the report writers who were perhaps not familiar with the report, as there seems to be a number of divergences between the summary and the same topic in the report. Bias seems to be one area of disagreement. Maybe careful study will bring better understanding of this. Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | |||
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JALLEN, I hope your comment above proves to be true. However, this report is from the Office of the Inspector General. The Executive Summary is 14 pages long. The total report is 568 pages long. Horowitz knows most people will read the Exec Summary and very little of the body of the report. The IG should have been very careful to have the summary align w the body. Perhaps we will learn more in the congressional hearings. Monday is the Senate Judiciary Comm. Then on 19 June 2018, Horowitz testifies to the House Committees on the Judiciary and Oversight and Government Reform https://oversight.house.gov/re...fbi-actions-in-2016/ On Tuesday, June 19, 2018 at 10:00 a.m., the House Committees on the Judiciary and Oversight and Government Reform will hold a joint hearing on “Oversight of the FBI and DOJ Actions in Advance of the 2016 Election.” At the hearing, Inspector General Michael Horowitz will testify before the Committees on the findings of the forthcoming report on Justice Department and FBI actions in advance of the 2016 presidential election. The hearing will be webcast live at judiciary.house.gov and oversight.house.gov. | |||
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I kneel for my God, and I stand for my flag |
"Fuck Trump" "We'll stop him" "Viva La Resistance" No, there's no bias... The whole OIG report is sham just like everything else. | |||
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Gracie Allen is my personal savior! |
This is why one would expect that Congressional staffers are currently digging through the report itself. If the discrepancies are material and become known, the abstract will fade to the same sort of irrelevance of an abstract preceding a reported court case. | |||
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I believe in the principle of Due Process |
Also, be alert for the shadings and nuances of language. The IG says he is not second guessing, but merely looking for acts and decisions that were abnormal exercises of prosecutorial/investigative discretion. If no innocent justification is possible, then that’s a problem, but as long as the decision or action or inaction was within the bounds of legimate prosecutorial or investigative judgment, even if bias is flagrant, it’s not a problem. Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | |||
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