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Originally posted by nhtagmember:
^^^^

that did not fucking help

he obviously never read the book 'How to Win Friends and Influence Enemies'

he has totally fucked over Canada and they've responded

his continued trolling does nothing but further anger them with just cause

he needs to keep his fucking mouth shut

Meh, maybe some of them it wakes up.

We don't need them, they need us.

If Trump sounded like a Canadian Pussy, that would bother me.

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Originally posted by chellim1:

Well, it didn't help Pierre Poilievre, but I don't think that's what matters to Trump:

I have to wonder what would have happened had Poilievre not tried to out-hate Trump, but signaled that he would forge a new, better alliance with the USA instead; creating a clear contrast with the Carnie. It seems that a conservative tried to out-liberal a liberal, possibly deflating his base and offering vigor to the leftist.

One thing is certain, Canadians have just doubled down on stupid.


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FWIW Poilievre won enough of the vote that in any other election he would have won a majority. Canada had a multi party system but the minor parties have effectively disappeared this time. The Liberals have amalgamated all of the leftist vote. It’s possible that this will change in the future but it’s also possible we will end up as a two party system going forward and in Canada that means a permanent socialist regime.

quote:

Originally posted by nhtagmember:
^^^^

that did not fucking help

he obviously never read the book 'How to Win Friends and Influence Enemies'

he has totally fucked over Canada and they've responded

his continued trolling does nothing but further anger them with just cause

he needs to keep his fucking mouth shut

lol - Canadians F'd themselves over... We don't need them... I'd like to see Trump close the border. Then those self righteous asshats up there can see just how much they don't need us. Oh, can't just drive down and fill up on gas and buy groceries? Enjoy your Old Dutch chips!

quote:

Originally posted by nhtagmember:
^^^^

that did not fucking help

he obviously never read the book 'How to Win Friends and Influence Enemies'

he has totally fucked over Canada and they've responded

his continued trolling does nothing but further anger them with just cause

he needs to keep his fucking mouth shut

I'm not sure how you can conclude that he 'fucked over' Canada here. Unless you include his rhetoric/trolling, he has done nothing to Canada. To borrow a phrase, someone should ask the Canadians where Trump's words hurt them! The problem is that the Leftists/Socialists to the North (obviously the majority up there!) are making decisions based on feelings, and as a result they fail to see inconvenient truths while they ignore the reality that results from their decision making.

Trump wants either reciprocal tariffs, or NO Tariffs, so fair trade...AND Border Security! Basically he seeks to bring an end to other countries taking advantage of the U.S., as well as to protect American Citizens from the influx/effects of illegal immigration and illegal drugs.

The Canadians need to grow a pair! Stupid should hurt, and sometimes poor decision making needs to result in pain before the patient is willing to self correct/see the error(s) of their ways.

For the first time, I don't regret my mom selling my grandfathers camp on Whitefish Bay on Lake of the Woods.

I find it amusing that many smaller countries that depend on the U.S. constantly bash us.

Due to my international travels I participate in various English-speaking discussion groups with Brits, Canadians, Aussies, Kiwi's, other Europeans, and some Asians.

The Canadians are the worst about constantly bitching about the U.S. and the others often aren't very far behind. But when Trump trolls them they get all indignant and complain even more.

All of these 1st world industrialized countries saying "it's not FAIR" to have reciprocal free trade or be tariffed the same as they tariff us are a bunch of spoiled crybabies. As usual despite his detractors, Donald Trump is the ONLY adult in the room advocating for FAIR trade.

All the whining and bitching won't change the fact that all they have to do is lower their tariffs to whatever they want ours to be. Simple.

I’m truly sorry for the Canadians, going from one miserable, incompetent Leftist to a marginally more competent but probably more malignant Leftist. Seems they turned out in record numbers. And yes, they voted against Trump. Well, that’s on them.
I do understand my friend Greg’s anger though. It was an unnecessary “own goal”.

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Originally posted by Dzozer:

lol - Canadians F'd themselves over... We don't need them.

In regards to the election, Trump has stated "I don't care", because it is is American First, and Canada has been sponging off of the U.S. far too long, they can't survive as a free independent nation without their one-way benefits from the U.S. economy. And with this election, Canada has basically voted to exit the U.S. Mexico-Canada Agreement, with Carney severing economic ties with the U.S., something Trump wanted all along. And to say Trump fucked Canada is a laugh, they screwed themselves a long, long time ago.

At the end of the day, Trump got what he wanted for the U.S.; out of the USMCA, and to setup bilateral agreements with Mexico and Canada, independent of each other.

Canada is Canada's problem.

Most interesting thing to come out of this election for me is that Conservative leader Pierre Poilievre did not retain his seat. The same is true of New Dem leader Jagmeet Singh who lost his as well.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
Canada is Canada's problem.

While that may be true, the Chinese influence, including the fentanyl coming across the border, is our problem.

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Originally posted by TSE:
FWIW Poilievre won enough of the vote that in any other election he would have won a majority.

Thanks for that insight. I had no idea, but I also have almost no idea how it works in Canada, other than the multiple party system forming(forcing) coalitions that don't always make sense.

In this case, it sounds like it was Poilievre's party versus everyone else, and everyone else is some shade of communist red.

I have to wonder how this may or may not effect your fellow citizens of Alberta and their thoughts on the idea of secession.


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Folks keeping talking about the Province of Alberta seceding from Canada. Is that even a possible/legal concept under Canadian laws? Are there provisions within the Act which allows for a Province to remove/disassociate itself from the rest of the Provinces/Confederation of Canada?

I’m not familiar enough with the British North America Act of 1867 and it’s subsequent revisions, and when it was “brought home” in the 1982 and renamed “Constitution Act, 1867”.

Maybe one of our Canadian forum members can further elaborate/clarify.

The Canucks are Ca-fucked. Carney may prove to be worse than Trudeau. Reap what you sow!

War Between The US And Canada?

By Brandon Smith

Most conservatives have viewed Trump’s rhetoric on Canada becoming the 51st state as a joke or a troll. At least, initially. Trump himself said it was a joke in the beginning, but now he thinks it might be a good idea. For today, lets imagine that this is a real agenda for the Trump Administration and consider the pros and cons.

The Cons

1) Trump looks like an “empire builder” which is widely considered poor form in the 21st Century. Most conservatives prefer that America stick to the American sphere and deal with American problems first before trying to change the geopolitical landscape.

2) An annexation of Canada would mean welcoming millions of Canadian leftists into the US as voting citizens. Who knows how this would affect the election demographics. It’s better to leave Canada as a steam valve so that leftist LEAVE the US and live there instead. America has been suffering under the weight of increasing progressive control, and now that we are finally turning the tide we don’t want to screw it up by importing a bunch of socialists from across the border.

3) On the global stage, the leftist establishment will claim that any US expansion is proof of a rising “fascist regime”. Not that most Americans really care what the rest of the world thinks, but we do still have to engage in diplomacy and alliances and trade to a point. The more the fascism narrative grows the harder it will be to engage with other countries on civil terms, fair or not fair.

The Pros

1) The US already pays for Canada’s defense anyway. Their proximity to us keeps them safe from invasion. Their defense budget is a tiny $27 billion, compared to America’s $997 billion. Their military is minuscule, with 63,000 active members and 22,000 reserve compared to America’s 2.86 million active duty troops and nearly 800,000 in reserve.

Canada has never needed an army because the US is their daddy. If Canada was annexed, the billions expended to keep the country safe would make more sense in our modern post-cold war era.

2) Though there is a risk of bringing millions of leftists into US citizenship if Canada became the 51st state, there is also a good chance most of those people would leave the country and move overseas. Frankly, the less leftists reside in North America, the better off we all will be, and taking Canada might run them all off to another part of the world.

3) Bringing Canada into the fold would make tariffs unnecessary, allow for more efficient resource development and help dig Canada out of the desperate economic slump they are currently trapped in. But an even more important factor is keeping Canada out of the hands of the globalists within the European Union, who have been courting the nation for years and seeking far closer political ties.

The election of Mark Carney:

The former central banker is a notorious high ranking member of the World Economic Forum and a devout globalist. He has called for a global digital currency system and supports the cashless society concept. He will no doubt increase tensions with the US on every front from trade to border controls and he WILL get friendly with governments that are hostile to America.

Upon his election win his first act was to attack the US and Trump, hinting at closer connections with the EU, not to mention refusing to negotiate on trade.

The EU is without any doubt going full blown authoritarian because they know they can. The vast majority of Europeans are disarmed making any rebellion much more difficult.

They are locking up political opponents and citizens that speak out. They are instituting a vast online censorship apparatus. They are importing millions of third world migrants that can be used as enforcers to keep the native population in line. They are openly talking about forced military conscription and are courting the idea of war with Russia.

European governments are the enemy of all free people. This can only lead to bloody conflict in the future.

By extension, Mark Carney, head of the Bank of England from 2013 to 2020, has deep connections to the European elites and is loyal to the WEF. I would not be surprised if he immediately organizes a campaign for Canada to join the EU, or, creates policies which give the EU a geopolitical foothold in North America. The union’s treaty currently requires that a country be a geographical part of Europe before it can join. There are also a number of obstacles for inclusion, but as we have seen with Ukraine, the EU is happy to bend or change the rules if it suits them.

If membership is formed or a defense pact signed, the EU’s ongoing plan to create a “European Army” would then extend to Canada and put the US and Canada/Europe in a framework for escalation. Canada is working on such a defense deal with the EU right now.

It’s important to understand that this would start out as economic war and quickly become ideological. The progressives believe that populist, nationalist and conservative movements are a “threat to democracy” (which means they are a threat to the globalist order). They view American conservatives as the last obstacle to their “Great Reset” (an agenda which Carney avidly supports) and they will do everything in their power to remove that obstacle.

Carney WILL invite the EU to take a more active role in Canadian affairs and seek out their “protection”, economically as well as strategically.

The tariffs will become perpetual under Carney because it’s unlikely he will seek honest negotiations. Rather, he will seek to provoke. Around 76% of Canada’s exports are sold to the US and there is no realistic replacement for this market. Canada does not have the means to ship their goods overseas without raising prices exponentially. They would lose their competitive trade advantage. Around 30% of Canada’s GDP relies on export sales. Canada’s economy will be destroyed by long term tariffs.

This will inevitably lead to extra-economic retaliation; meaning, Canada will seek a means to hurt the US beyond reciprocal tariffs because tariffs will not help them. They will try to cut off oil exports to the US even though they have no alternative buyers. They will cut off the hydropower that they sell to states like New York, Minnesota and Michigan. They will try to interfere with US shipping lanes that cross into Canadian controlled waters (Great Lakes and St. Lawrence Seaway).

I predict that within the next two years there will be serious talk of portions of Canada (like Alberta) seceding over to the US as Carney crushes citizens with carbon taxation, increased censorship, continued mass immigration and gun bans. The new Prime Minister will make every effort to make Canada as draconian as Europe.

More progressive parts of Canada will pursue EU membership.

Again, with a globalist like Mark Carney in control of Canada the chances for heightened tensions are immense and unfortunately a large enough percentage of Canadians are gullible enough to follow his lead thinking they can win.

https://alt-market.us/war-betw...-a-real-possibility/

* Edited to remove the inflammatory parts about an invasion of Canada. As Para points out, that's not going to happen. However, even without Brandon Smith's inflammatory fear-mongering, the more interesting parts of the article remain.

This message has been edited. Last edited by: chellim1, May 04, 2025 01:00 PM

From the above article:

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For those that think a conflict with Canada sounds ridiculous

Yes it's ridiculous.

The EU's imploding. They can't help themselves let alone help Canada.

chellim, tell me with a straight face that you believe that horse shit. Go ahead and tell me that you read it and posted it, believing that war between the US and Canada is a possibility. It pisses me off to even type that.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
chellim, tell me with a straight face that you believe that horse shit. Go ahead and tell me that you read it and posted it, believing that war between the US and Canada is a possibility. It pisses me off to even type that.

I'm not telling you that I believe war with Canada is a possibility. I'm only telling you that the election of Mark Carney greatly complicates our relationship with our northern neighbor. Brandon Smith has an interesting perspective; some things to think about, that is all. Trump himself says the only way the relationship works is for Canada to become the 51st state.

Canada’s new PM, Mark Carney was CEO of Brookfield Properties which just moved its HQ to the US. He was instrumental in helping Jared Kushner’s company avoid bankruptcy too.
Carney will always do what is best for Brookfield and is closer to Trump than many realize.
Canada is fucked but there is zero chance of conflict.