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Originally posted by chellim1:
What an idiot. Sometimes you just have to accept reality.

The infant doesn't know what reality is.

Is this article any different than those exposing little Z and his buddies as billion dollar grifter nazi's?

Not sure if your saying the article about the child kidnappings isn't true. Or maybe your making an "OK, but what those rotten Ukrainians? " If that's your point - OK

Come on fed. And how long do we have to wait for your main point, blaming it all on DJT?

Not worth a response. I voted for DJT 3 times and continue to support him.

The Alaska thing is laughable as well. Roll Eyes.

Yup. It is laughable. But it does say something about the Russian mind set. These bill boards are all over Russia.

No more back and forth. You can have the last word if you wish to respond. With respect. Thanks.

Kyiv Post:

Ukraine Frozen Out in Alaska

Trump delivers the not-unexpected stab in the back to Ukraine – the depressing implications.

https://www.kyivpost.com/opinion/57831

https://kyivindependent.com/ex...gree-kyiv-to-reject/

At their meeting next week, U.S. President Donald Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin will discuss a peace plan that would see Ukraine surrendering new territories to Russia.

Putin passed the plan to special envoy Steve Witkoff during their meeting in Moscow earlier this week.

The plan would see Kyiv withdraw its troops from two of the partly occupied Ukrainian regions — Donetsk and Luhansk, according to a source in Ukraine's President's Office, who was part of the team briefed on the discussion Putin had with Witkoff. He spoke on condition of anonymity to speak freely on the sensitive matter.

As a "sign of good will," Russia would then withdraw its troops from northeastern Kharkiv and Sumy oblasts, where the Kremlin holds some territories.

Putin had apparently told Witkoff that Russia would be content with the current demarcation line in the southern Zaporizhzhia and Kherson oblasts, where Russia controls the majority of the region, yet lacks control of the regional capitals.

According to the source in Ukraine's President's Office, the plan would be outright rejected by Ukraine.

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Originally posted by Anush:
https://kyivindependent.com/ex...gree-kyiv-to-reject/

At their meeting next week, U.S. President Donald Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin will discuss a peace plan that would see Ukraine surrendering new territories to Russia.

They can discuss it 'til the cows come home. Zelenskyy will never agree to that. He's saying it now and he has been consistent on this point throughout the conflict. It's just not going to happen. Any territory Ukraine relinquishes will be through brute force.

Ukraine and Europeans present their plan for negotiations with Putin to US – WSJ

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2025/08/9/7525439/

European countries and Ukraine have responded to the "Russian ceasefire plan" with a counterproposal, which, in their opinion, should form the basis for upcoming negotiations between Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin.

Source: The Wall Street Journal with reference to two informed European officials, as reported by European Pravda

Details: The proposal from Kyiv and its allies calls for a mandatory ceasefire before any other steps are taken, as well as any "exchange of territories" only on a mutual basis – that is, if Ukraine withdraws its troops from some regions, Russia must withdraw its troops from others, writes the WSJ.

"You can’t start a process by ceding territory in the middle of fighting," one of the publication's sources said.

In addition, this plan stipulates that any territorial concessions by Kyiv must be backed by ironclad security guarantees – in particular, Ukraine's potential membership in NATO, the article says.

WSJ sources say the goal of the plan is for Europe and Ukraine to establish a common red line that should apply to any potential negotiations with Russia.

This proposal was presented on Saturday at a meeting of national security advisers. The American side was represented by Vice President JD Vance, Secretary of State Marco Rubio and President Trump’s special envoys Steve Witkoff and Keith Kellogg.

European representatives told them that Ukraine's future cannot be discussed without Ukraine and that Europe will continue to provide Ukraine with weapons and funds regardless of the US position, one source told the WSJ.

Background: Amid news of the upcoming meeting between Trump and Putin in Alaska on 15 August, as well as media claims that Washington and Moscow want to reach an agreement to end the war in Ukraine that would lock in Russia's occupation of part of the territories seized during its full-scale invasion, Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said that "the answer to the Ukrainian territorial question is already there in the Constitution of Ukraine".

The only way for this to get resolved with Ukrainian input is by not having Zelenskyy giving any input. Maybe the Ukies will eventually figure out 1/2 of a loaf is better than crumbs from the table. But all that will accomplish is to kick the can further down the road for 20 years when new players take to the stage.

I can just see little z pulling a hissy fit in front of Putin like he did to Trump at the white house and Putin bitch slapping the shit out of him.

As long as little z is in the picture no agreements are going to be made. His greedy ass wants to steal all the funds he can for himself before he has to go away for good.

Seems to me the essential points of the negotiation are this: without a full engagement of the United States on multiple levels, Ukraine has absolutely no chance of recovering any of its lost territories. Trump has made it clear the United States will not intervene along those lines. "This is Biden's war, not mine." Thus, unless Ukraine and Europe can figure out a way to do it on their own, the lines will sit, at a minimum, where they are right now in any peace agreement.

What I am hoping is if an agreement cannot be reached, and it is Europe and Ukraine which are spiking any agreement, that Trump does the sensible thing and picks up and leaves Europe militarily.

I have asked, and continue to ask, what it is NATO is defending. Europe's closing down of civil liberties is completely unacceptable and should be resisted - and that resistance must include severely curtailing or ending funding for NATO. You can defend your Euro-fascism on your own, thank you.

Right now, the only member of NATO that I like is Poland, which is fast becoming the European Texas. You know, I am ok with them becoming the 51st state, but they probably wouldn't want that with our crazy courts. That is all right, they are buying up our stuff and want to kill Russians. One Youtuber said that all the other NATO nations need to consider their policies with WWPD in mind...What Would Poland Do.

The US is in NATO to prevent a recurrence of Axis Alliance cancer, not simply a "Soviet" moderator.

Trump will help Putin carve up Ukraine.

Ukraine can complain all it wants.

They cannot win this war in the long run, unless Russia gets tired.

If we stop writing checks, the war is over in weeks or months, and Putin owns all of Ukraine.

Trump is trying to stop the war from expanding.


Not that Putin will keep his word, but if Trump say you expand, this becomes our war, he will think twice.

I would rather slice up Ukraine, that WWIII.

Vance Says US 'Done Funding Ukraine War' - Demands Europe Step Up

https://www.zerohedge.com/geop...-demands-europe-step

Vice President JD Vance stated on Sunday that Washington will no longer directly fund the purchase of weapons for Ukraine amid the seeminglyl never-ending war with Russia, and expressed hope that Europe would step up.

"We’re done with the funding of the Ukraine war business. We want to bring about a peaceful settlement to this thing," Vance told Fox News' "Sunday Morning Futures".

"Americans, I think, are sick of continuing to send their money, their tax dollars of this particular conflict but if the Europeans want to step up and actually buy the weapons from American producers we’re OK with that, but we’re not going to fund it ourselves anymore," the vice president continued.

More at link

/looks at watch

It’s about damned time.

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Originally posted by sig2392:
I would rather slice up Ukraine, than [sic] WWIII.

Same, 100%. That’s going to hurt a lot of feelings, but there’s a lot more at stake here than feelings.

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"You can’t start a process by ceding territory in the middle of fighting," one of the publication's sources said.

No, but you can sure as shit lose it, plus some more.

“the answer is no” may now be “GFY”.

“Zelensky’s impossible demands: NATO membership, $1 trillion in reparations ahead of Trump-Putin summit”

https://www.naturalnews.com/20...arations-summit.html

Ukraine insists on an unconditional ceasefire before any negotiations—a demand that Putin has already rejected. But Zelensky’s list of non-starters doesn’t stop there:

* NATO membership (despite Trump and Putin both opposing it)
* $1 trillion in reparations from Russia (an impossible sum)
* Retaining all captured territories (even as Russian forces advance)
* No concessions in Donbas (despite Putin’s troops controlling most of it)

Should be interesting.

Nevertheless, tomorrow we shall see what we shall see. It might be a waste of the Trump administration's time. Putin is just the kind of deceptive asshole to string us along to his advantage, and Zelenskyy is unfamiliar with the concepts of diplomacy and negotiations. He's a coked-out grifting clown.

It's not looking good, but damn if President Trump and his team aren't in there pitching. The United States is the only country making a genuine effort to end this conflict. I'm not talking about the empty promises and pie-in-the-sky bullshit coming out of Europe. No wonder those idiots managed to launch two world wars in the last century.

I agree, I don't know how it will go tomorrow either. But our President is the only one who at this time could possibly pull off some progress towards ending it. But it ain't going to quick or easy.
If Ukraine and Europe want to keep it up they will need to start importing fighting age men from somewhere. And Europe can start funding it 100%.
The only way I see putin agreeing to stop his aggression is to get z out of the pix completely.

So Putin is landing in Alaska and Sniffy the Wunderfuck decides it would be a great time to launch a drone strike.

Putin will have no choice but to respond.

Sniffy has made it abundantly clear he doesn’t want peace because then he loses his gravy train.

The solution will most likely result in eliminating Sniffy from the equation and dealing with someone who has a clue.